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Offlinecenterthedream
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Paps. ?
    #14115583 - 03/13/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)




Habitat: California lower sierra-nevada foot hills right above Coloma. About 2800-3000 ft elevation. Years old horse dung. It has been raining a lot with really warm sunny days in-between. No more frost.

Cap: See pics.

Stem: All are shiny and fibrous, some are spiraled like on subs, others are straight fibers. Some were really thick while others were skinny. All bruised brown instantly as the color inside of the stems. Looking at them now, they are black.

Gills: See pics.

I am very interested in trying Panaeolus papilionaceus for any possible medicinal/dietary values and to see if they are active in some way. I have heard, as mjshroomer says, that there are many indole alkaloids in the Panaeolus. I have even heard a story of a maybe six year old girl who was eating supposedly inactive Panaeolus mushrooms an the regular. She did so naturally, feeling an intuitively good taste and effect from the mushrooms. These are some of the most common mushrooms in the world. Could they be an important part to a very balanced beautiful diet?
Which of these substances pass the blood-brain barrier? Or maybe more accurately, what circumstances allow them to pass?

I would like to know as much about these mushrooms as I can.

MJ?
Someone else?

Thank you:wink:

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Offlinecenterthedream
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14115588 - 03/13/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

BTW,


I am sure most, if not all of them, had white teeth on the edge of the caps.


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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14115786 - 03/13/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ya those are looking like Panaeolus papilionacious, not active for sure. i have no idea if they have any medicinal value to them.:shrug:


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Offlinecenterthedream
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14116045 - 03/13/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you. Awaiting mjshroomer's words in particular. He has specific purpose behind knowing about Panaeolus papilionacious.

Also looking for any who have had personal experience with these, or know the history and studies into them.


Have you tried them before?


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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14116275 - 03/13/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Thank you. Awaiting mjshroomer's words in particular. He has specific purpose behind knowing about Panaeolus papilionacious.



Mjshroomer is no longer a part of the shroomery community.

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InvisibleShockValue
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: groople]
    #14116338 - 03/13/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I came around after mjshroomer left this forum, but through contacts on facebook, he wrote to me a few times.  I have to say, he's a total nut-job :lol:


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Re: Paps. ? [Re: ShockValue]
    #14116359 - 03/13/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

he was an old nut back when he came and picked with me in 1999, he's a ripper , i dont know anyone like him!:thumbup:


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Offlinecenterthedream
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14116390 - 03/13/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How do I contact him?

Besides that then, I will wait for anyone with in-depth knowledge or experience with these mushrooms.

Could any of them be P. papilionaceus var. parvisporus?


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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14116642 - 03/13/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

here's a thread of someone stating the Paps they found were active if you're interested. hope it helps.

:peace:


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Re: Paps. ? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14116704 - 03/13/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i dont beleive it. :bsflag:


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OfflinePrimal Call
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14116735 - 03/13/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not one to make a habit out of not believing, but I'm with you on this one psylo.

however, I should quote, since it's relevant, Mr. Stamets writing on Panaeolus, "Several species are consistent or latent producers of psilocybin and/or psilocin."

and Arora writing, "Actually, there is considerable confusion as to which species are pupil-dilating. Traces of psilocybin have been isolated in virtually every species, but it's presence and concentration is contingent upon a number of genetic, geographic, and environmental factors."


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InvisibleShockValue
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14116866 - 03/13/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well if the scientists and classifiers are right that they're closely related to P.cinctulus, it wouldn't surprise me too much if there was some psilo{cybin|cin} to be found.  However, since there aren't hoards of people out trying to find and consume them, I would speculate it was very very low.


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Offlinecenterthedream
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14116876 - 03/13/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you Ryath. I know of the thread, and it is in large part what helped direct me to posting now. :smile:

I am not as concerned with the psilocybin content of paps. More so though, I really want to know what else is in there, medicinal or psychoactive, in a dietary context. I have strong reason to believe that many of these Panaeolus species are so wide spread because they are meant to be used in dietary or medicinal ways.

This thread is only a jumping point for me. If any of you know where I would go to for more info, that would be great.

mjshroomer's contact information would be wonderful.


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The Ringing Cedars of Russia

This seed in the ground,
Shining all around,
For all else to see him;
Would like to shine bright,
All of his light,
So even more of it you are receiving.

Ask me about a "Special Designers Technology".

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InvisibleShockValue
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14116893 - 03/13/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wait, are you suggesting that if something is widespread, that it's a sign that we're supposed to ingest it?

Edit: If you know what MJ stands for in MJShroomer, it's quite easy to google and find his info.


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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14116903 - 03/13/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

centerthedream said:
Thank you Ryath. I know of the thread, and it is in large part what helped direct me to posting now. :smile:

I am not as concerned with the psilocybin content of paps. More so though, I really want to know what else is in there, medicinal or psychoactive, in a dietary context. I have strong reason to believe that many of these Panaeolus species are so wide spread because they are meant to be used in dietary or medicinal ways.

This thread is only a jumping point for me. If any of you know where I would go to for more info, that would be great.

mjshroomer's contact information would be wonderful.



It's easily googleable

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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14116914 - 03/13/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

centerthedream said:
Thank you Ryath. I know of the thread, and it is in large part what helped direct me to posting now. :smile:

I am not as concerned with the psilocybin content of paps. More so though, I really want to know what else is in there, medicinal or psychoactive, in a dietary context. I have strong reason to believe that many of these Panaeolus species are so wide spread because they are meant to be used in dietary or medicinal ways.




no problem :smile: I'm glad to spread knowledge. :smile2:

and sorry to stereotype you; I missed your point of interest in assuming the majority of others are here for activity-searching purposes only... here's some more from Stamets:

"Most all produce urea, serotonin, and tryptophan, and/or the precursors and derivatives (Stijve 1987). None have proven to be poisonous."

on dietary value, there is a thread from Cactu floating around showing some pan ants going into a shrimp satuee with some stir-fry or some such goodness. not sure if paps taste any good, but you can always do some culinary experimenting for giggles, if not a satisfied belly. :peace:


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Re: Paps. ? [Re: ShockValue]
    #14116925 - 03/13/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No.
I am suggesting though that if something is wide-spread, then it's purpose is wide spread as well and inter-meshed with many other natural functions. This would also make the thing's core quality even that much easier to identify. All other interactions are dove-tailed from one core quality or function.

My reason for believing Panaeolus specie's purpose as something to be ingested comes from elsewhere.


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This seed in the ground,
Shining all around,
For all else to see him;
Would like to shine bright,
All of his light,
So even more of it you are receiving.

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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14116944 - 03/13/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

centerthedream said:
My reason for believing Panaeolus specie's purpose as something to be ingested comes from elsewhere.




share?


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Offlinecenterthedream
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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14116984 - 03/13/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you shock-value and Ryath.

I should have known before that I could search for his contact info easily. Now doing.

And thank you again Ryath. No problem about the stereo-typing. I figured that it was self explanatory what many on here are after when mentioning possible actives. If these are active in some way, all the better I still say. :grin:

I am definitely going to experiment with these much to me, and maybe even my stomach's pleasure.

:crazy2:


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This seed in the ground,
Shining all around,
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All of his light,
So even more of it you are receiving.

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Re: Paps. ? [Re: centerthedream]
    #14117202 - 03/13/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You can contact mj on facebook or on mycotopia under the account "Man of Knowledge".

Your mushrooms are Panaeolus papilionaceus.

Eat them and see what happens and let us know.

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