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Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban
    #14116533 - 03/13/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://commack.patch.com/articles/senator-flanagan-calls-for-passage-of-salvia-ban

Following media reports that a teen in New York City had been smoking salvia divinorum before apparently leaping to his death in Roosevelt Island, state Sen. John Flanagan, 2nd Senate District, on Friday asked the Assembly to back a proposal to ban the sale of the legal hallucinogenic throughout New York.

Flanagan has been pushing for a statewide ban of the hallucinogen, which is widely claimed to have the same effects of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), for years and has been successful in gaining passage of the ban in the Senate a number of times. Salvia is the same legal substance that pop star Miley Cyrus was allegedly smoking in a widely distributed video clip in December of last year.

The bill is currently sponsored in the Assembly by Assemblyman Peter Rivera.

“The Senate has passed this bill throughout the years and I am hopeful that by working with Assemblyman Rivera and Assemblyman Carl Heastie, who have been working with my office on this issue, we can finally get it passed for the good of all of our communities.  It is time to protect our younger residents from this dangerous and legal substance and make this ban a reality in New York State before any other family is affected,” Flanagan said in a statement.

Salvia divinorum, also known as Diviner’s Sage, Sister Salvia, Ska Maria Pastora or simply salvia, is a psychoactive plant from the mint family and is currently available on the Internet and in stores without age restrictions.

According to the Drug Enforcement Agency, salvia divinorum is chewed or smoked to induce illusions and hallucinations, the diversity of which is described by users as similar to those induced by ketamine, mescaline, or psilocybin.  It is currently under review by the medical and scientific community to determine if it should be a controlled substance.

While those long-term effects are still being considered, the National Drug Intelligence Center has indicated that they may be similar to those produced by other hallucinogens such as LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) including depression and schizophrenia.

Some abusers also indicate that long-term abuse can cause hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, or "flashbacks." Numerous individuals report experiencing negative effects during their first experience with Salvia divinorum and indicate that they would not use it a second time.  Some others report that the drug caused them to become introverted and sometimes unable to communicate clearly.

Senator Flanagan’s legislation, which would go into effect 60 days after becoming law, would subject violators to a civil penalty of up to $500 per violation.

“The federal government has left it up to the states to regulate salvia divinorum and it is time that this ban was enacted to protect our residents. This tragic incident shows that these substances pose a danger," Flanagan said.


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14116650 - 03/13/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what a bullshit article, not one study even mentioned in that trash.


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: plustax]
    #14117048 - 03/13/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

they better not ban slavia i finally got to trip it this weekend and it was amazing, maybe people shouldnt be retards when it comes to drugs and not go onto top of building where you could easily fall? i was tripping so hard on it my last time thoguht i thought i was some stack of sheets of something else that kept being ripped apart one by one and i was freaking out yelling at who ever was doing it to stop, but in reality i just got out of my seat walked to the door stared at my friends and they sat me back down, while i was being ripped apart, i didnt even know i was tripping, first time thats ever happened to me =)


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: plustax] * 1
    #14117094 - 03/13/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Salvia is a very powerful and dangerous drug. The danger comes from a profound distortion in sense of gravity and in sense of position in space and time. The last time I used it I felt so strongly that I was being pulled down into my chair that I was irrationally compelled to stand up in an attempt to flee the gravity. Breakthough is a really unsettling physical experience that can elicit a strong urge to run from the gravity.

With smoked salvia you go from feeling nothing to being more fucked up than you can imagine in about three seconds. The shit physically grabs you and tries to moves you around. The only safe place to smoke salvia is on the ground, or maybe laying down in bed.

I have also noticed a tendency toward hyperbolic negative introspection in the hour or two following a salvia breakthrough. It would be nice to know if the guy jumped right after smoking salvia, or if it was ten or more minutes later, after he recovered from the hypervertigo.

I can see having suicidal thought after smoking salvia, but the more acute danger comes right after breakthrough, when the geometry of space is messed up beyond recognition and you just want to get away from the thing that has grabbed ahold of you.




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Prohibition against safe drugs drives people to use dangerous drugs that are legal only because they suck. You law enforcement guys really need to do some soul searching. Are you helping the situation or making it worse with your war on some but not other drugs?


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14117122 - 03/13/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #14117153 - 03/13/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #14117533 - 03/14/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I get that sort of gravity effect too, and the first time I did it I was taken by surprise because I was standing up and couldn't fight the force. I solved the problem by sitting down.

I get that most people don't like it, and that's precisely why it should remain legal. It doesn't cause social problems.

I would imagine this guy's suicide was accidental, simply because committing suicide on purpose requires you to know what's going on to some extent. On Salvia you're lucky if you can remember what species you are.


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14117748 - 03/14/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes it is sad that this tradgedy happened, but how many people have used salvia nationwide, a lot, and how many incidents like this have there been?  If this jumping death was froma alcohol this would not be news.


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: demon66]
    #14117857 - 03/14/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't help but think that if salvia ever gets banned nationwide, it will actually largely disapper. I just don't see it having the same black market demand as other illegal drugs. Sucks for the minority of people that actually get something out of it though.. Get your cuttings now I guess!


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14118152 - 03/14/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A perfect example of how ONE PERSON can fuck it up for EVERYONE!  While I'm sympathetic to the loss of a young person, I have to ask...if it only takes one person irresponsibly using an instrumentality to cause death, why haven't they called for a ban on CARS????

Stupid knee-jerk politicians.

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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14118573 - 03/14/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sympathetic loss of an idiot who should be listening to mommy and not be doing anything that'd put him in supposed "danger"?


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14118586 - 03/14/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
sympathetic loss of an idiot who should be listening to mommy and not be doing anything that'd put him in supposed "danger"?





That is a fucked up thing to say.



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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: demon66]
    #14118732 - 03/14/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey, i was talking in general...

i wasn't talking about said young person.


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14122917 - 03/14/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Go to John Flanagan's contact page, and write him a nice email as to why Salvia Divinorum should not be banned. When you go to his page, just scroll down a little, and there will be a form and text box to fill out.


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: destructo_low]
    #14123178 - 03/15/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's my message to Mr. Flanagan:
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Banning Salvia would be a huge mistake. For one thing it's hypocritical; alcohol causes far more deaths from overdoses and accidents, and I don't see you trying to ban that. For another, it's none of your damn business what an adult chooses to take into his or her body, whether it be drugs or dildos. Stay out of peoples' private lives if you want to stay in office.
This kid who died from falling a great height could have been ignorant of salvia's effects, or he could have known about them and decided to take the risk. Either way, it's HIS fault he died, not the drug salvia. People die in car accidents all the time, yet you never hear anyone neurotically screaming "Ban cars!"
Drugs are not the problem here. Under-educated nitwits are the problem, and don't think you're exempt from that category. Get a clue.




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I have also noticed a tendency toward hyperbolic negative introspection in the hour or two following a salvia breakthrough.




I get the opposite. It feels like I've been reborn, like anything is possible, and like all the negatives in the world are just temporary and not worth getting bogged down about. Of the 10 or so times I've tried salvia only once was I disappointed, and that was because of poor setting and mindset. The hour or two "afterglow" is the best part imo. The crazy spirit journeys were too intense to be pleasurable.


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14123277 - 03/15/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this would be mine.

"You are supposed to have someone with you when you take Salvia so when you enter what can only be defined as a dreamstate, you lose control of how to process information from external stimuli, in ther same manner as you would normally; just like using any substance, even coffee.

This young man's death is a tragedy, although it could have been avoided if the stores that sell Salvia required ID and 21 years of age or even older to purchase. It's not condoned that anyone sell this plant to minors anyway, as it is a powerful; and exceptionally unlike more recreational drugs."

if anyone wants it, it'll fetch a fair price...


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14124063 - 03/15/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is Flanagan's actual email address if anyone would rather shoot him an email there.

"flanagan@senate.state.ny.us"


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: destructo_low]
    #14128919 - 03/16/11 02:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A DOCTOR on the council of alcoholism and drug dependency says that "in essence you're robbing your brain of oxygen, so there's a high amount of unpredictability when you put this stuff into your body."

How did he get that Ph.D? By coloring between the lines!?

"Uh.. HIV basically stops your blood from circulating.. So you can like die and stuff.."


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Re: Flanagan Calls for Salvia Ban [Re: sorahtak]
    #14132361 - 03/16/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Most of those Drug and alcohol "experts" are quacks that try to make easy money thru people court ordered to their rehab and drug programs


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