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Can masturbation be spiritual? 1
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Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul] 1
#14116121 - 03/13/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can masturbation be spiritual?
as much as anything can.
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#14116226 - 03/13/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got a nice size book by Mantak Chia. The whole book is basically about using masturbation and sex to energize the body and chakras with the sexual energy. Sexual energy can be generated with masturbation or sex. Or other ways its about experimenting.
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#14116837 - 03/13/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Only if you wear special clothing and build up a bunch of guilt around it.
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#14116891 - 03/13/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, it can be an energetic yoga practice, especially if you try to go as long as you can without busting every time. I'm pretty sure that makes your dick bigger. Dunno for sure. And yeah, hand in hand with that is doing it less, because of the spiritual consequences of being a master bater.
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#14117311 - 03/13/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can use the moment of orgasm as gnosis for various chaos magic practices.
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#14117318 - 03/13/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's gno way that'll work.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: deCypher] 1
#14117555 - 03/14/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: You can use the moment of orgasm as gnosis for various chaos magic practices.
yeah it takes you deep into yourself
you could make a sigil and then concentrate on it while jacking off.
something tells me that might warp your results though
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Icelander] 1
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Icelander said: Can masturbation be spiritual?
as much as anything can.
*looks out the window for a comet, or flying pigs*
I'm still a little shocked, but I have to say that I agree with Icelander. ( I jest)
Have a look for the book "Modern Sex Magick" by Donald Michael Kraig. He is a really excellent occult author, and that's one of the better books on the subject I've seen.
It has a whole chapter devoted to "monofocal" sex magick.
His first book, Modern Magick is also good, being the best introductory and overview of western/golden dawn magick I've seen.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul] 1
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Silversoul said: Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
It can be if you were to speak of the buildup of energy etc, orgasms in general can be spiritual. One of the most spiritual experiences I had in my lifetime was during sex on L.
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deCypher said: You can use the moment of orgasm as gnosis for various chaos magic practices.
yeah it takes you deep into yourself
you could make a sigil and then concentrate on it while jacking off.
something tells me that might warp your results though 
Anton Szandor LeVey taught the use of masturbation in ritual magick in The Satanic Bible, late at night when the object of your intentions was sleeping. The sexual discharge fired the thought form into the aethyr. I remember using that practice in ceremonial magick when I was quite young. Instead of my conscious object of lust getting the message (wouldn't it have been easier just to call her up and ask her out?), all of a sudden, my friend's nymphomaniac girlfriend began to show up at my parents' house at all hours, throwing stones at my window to wake me up in the middle of the night. You always have to watch your unconscious, but in magickal practices with some anecdotal evidence of effectiveness, you really have to be aware of it.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul] 1
#16272875 - 05/23/12 12:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Next time you find yourself pleasuring yourself. Close your eyes right before ejaculation and envision a huge amount of energy being released and then arching up the front and going into your back. WOW!
You would be amazed at how much energy is attained and dispersed upon the chakras by the simple act of focus, eyes closed, and intention....
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I lol'd at the title of this thread
Post above me might be able to make it spiritual, I dunno.
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I think that caving in to desire is not a very lofty spiritual goal. If you can do it without it being this, then maybe. Easy to make excuses about this kind of thing though.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul] 1
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One time I was alone in my room peaking on 12 tabs of acid, and I felt like I was in a realm completely beyond my body. Not totally an OBE, but as though I was floating 3 feet above my physical being. I closed my eyes and the visions were at the core of sexuality for me. I felt like masturbating. I was imagining I had found a beautiful genuine girl, the essence of femininity, my true love, someone who understood me down to every cell in my being. We were having the most passionate and intense sex, then moments later we were climbing these huge rock formations looking into each others eyes. Then running along a field, and having more sex. I felt orgasm approaching, and I can't really find words to describe what happened, but it seemed as though this fantasy turned into a worm-hole and sucked me in, like the universe's vagina grasping me. Soon to follow was among the most intense orgasms of my life. My body was shaking from the pleasure overload.
Was this a spiritual endeavor? More like a stunning egoic fantasy to the nth degree, but nevertheless, I think masturbation is still an important and misunderstood form of human expression that gets a bad wrap from these "oh-so spiritual" yogis and gurus.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: analogkid2112] 1
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Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.
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Luueschen said: Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.
after giving you a "little death"
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Luueschen]
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Luueschen said: Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.
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Luueschen said: Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.
Why?
This guy is ridiculous and dramatic, but theres no arguing that it drains your energy.
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Luueschen said: Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.
Why?
This guy is ridiculous and dramatic, but theres no arguing that it drains your energy.
Everything you do drains energy.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Memories]
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Luueschen said: Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.
Why?
This guy is ridiculous and dramatic, but theres no arguing that it drains your energy.
Everything you do drains energy.
So yeah obviously sitting on your ass chewing bubblegum, having a huge sexual release, neglectable difference.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu] 1
#16285272 - 05/25/12 08:52 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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So why can't masturbation be spiritual?
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu] 1
#16285381 - 05/25/12 09:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Luueschen said: Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.
after giving you a "little death"
Are you suggesting that masturbating is immature? Why is channeling one's own sexual energy without the use of a partner, "soul-draining"? Please spare us with such guilt-ridden drivel. This same line of reasoning favors the spirit over the flesh. Would it still be so if you were instead envisioning some Tibetan deity or your chakras aligning or something, rather than just giving a girl (or man) the ol' high hard one? What if someone masturbated to their significant other they've been in a relationship with for a while? Is eating a delicious hot fudge sunday also immature and lacking spirituality? Why? Because of the guilt associated with giving into a desire one has?
I feel way more drained after eating a big plate of food than I do after having a session of wanking. Aside from your unexplained morality, masturbation is a way of releasing energy. Orgasm is an important part of life, at least of mine, and I know that if I go without sexual release for an extended period of time, my moods are affected often negatively.
Please "grow up" and consider your own assumptions.
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how stoned are you? the little death is a french term for orgasm which is a divine experience.
and it drains your energy.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu]
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Pretty stoned thanks.
Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy. Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?
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Edited by analogkid2112 (05/25/12 11:00 PM)
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
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I am out of town on vacation, but promise to post a journal entry of mine from 2009 regarding this upon my return on on the first of June. 
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Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy. Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?
Of course it is. Now if you just hold still for a second, I'm just gonna cut you open and channel those sweet ass internal organ energies into dis here freezer. Then I'll head off and get me some fava beans. Yeah, I'll do that. Anyone recommend a good wine to goes with me fava beans?
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analogkid2112 said: Pretty stoned thanks.
Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy. Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?
you lose heat energy, you have to eat to absorb energy, you expel energy through working out. but no of ccoarse you dont lose energy, you need to eat because it channels energy into your belly
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu]
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Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy. Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?
you lose heat energy, you have to eat to absorb energy, you expel energy through working out. but no of ccoarse you dont lose energy, you need to eat because it channels energy into your belly 
You lose a lot more than heat energy. You lose Prana, life energy, qi....We are all born with a certain potential energy. So the story goes
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Saint Marcus]
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Is eating KFC spiritual?
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Is being a douchebag contagious?
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Divitus]
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Of course it is. Now if you just hold still for a second, I'm just gonna cut you open and channel those sweet ass internal organ energies into dis here freezer. Then I'll head off and get me some fava beans. Yeah, I'll do that. Anyone recommend a good wine to goes with me fava beans?
I hear Chianti is nice this time of year.
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Luueschen said: Is eating KFC spiritual?
Is being a douchebag contagious?
Can we use your post as empirical data?
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Of course it is. Now if you just hold still for a second, I'm just gonna cut you open and channel those sweet ass internal organ energies into dis here freezer. Then I'll head off and get me some fava beans. Yeah, I'll do that. Anyone recommend a good wine to goes with me fava beans?
I hear Chianti is nice this time of year.
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Is being a douchebag contagious?
Can we use your post as empirical data? 
As long as you admit it.
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Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy. Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?
you lose heat energy, you have to eat to absorb energy, you expel energy through working out. but no of ccoarse you dont lose energy, you need to eat because it channels energy into your belly 
You lose a lot more than heat energy. You lose Prana, life energy, qi....We are all born with a certain potential energy. So the story goes 
no, after the genius of all geniuses was telling me we dont lose energy I was just explaining that they are wrong on several levels. The scientifically provable physical energy lost is the energy you need to produce sperm after losing them. I wasnt saying heat energy was all.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu]
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Seanfu, I'm calling an end to our little pissing match. I'm willing to be open-minded as this is an interesting topic I'd like to discuss. My response was initially directed at Luueschen, as his comment was all hyperbole.
What you are basically saying is that orgasm can be, and has been for you, a highly spiritual experience, though it is a powerful release of specific energies, that can be draining? Correct?
So then why can't masturbation be a spiritual enterprise? Is it only a matter of intention, i.e.. getting off thinking about some hot redhead, vs. visualizing some Tibetan bodhisattva? Obviously orgasm/release can be spiritual, so why would self-directed orgasm not be so?
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I don't believe it can be spiritual, I've always found it to be self-serving and wasteful by nature. There's nothing wrong with it, but don't try and dress it up as anything other than relieving your bodily desires.
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Maybe Tantrics say you should not do masturbate. But Taoists say you can masturbate to cultivate sexual/spiritual energy. They call it solo cultivation. Some Taoists say that that is only done if you are advanced and it's not for beginners.
Orgasms can help you grow and cultivate kundalini energy AKA Chi AKA life force. It's spiritual energy. So yes it can be spiritual. But ejaculation is a bit more touchy. Mantak Chia said it's OK to ejaculate sometimes. On the other hand Mantak Chia himself did not ejaculate for some 10 years while making love to his wife. Then when it came time to make a baby, he ejaculated. Though he is a master. But not the best master. As a lot of the really good Taoist practices are very closely guarded secrets.
Hope that helps.
Peace!
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Was taught that the Daoist deities associated with longevity were depicted with large craniums due to their retention of ejaculation, coupled with sexual practices involving the absorption of energy from their female partners. It was supposedly part of their practices of immortality.
 (Shou Xing - Chinese)
(Fukurokuju - Japanese)
Do you have any further insights you could share? Do the differing sexual practices stem from different lineages or eras?
Interested in any research suggestions you could suggest, too. Daoism is not my strong suit...
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Tantrika]
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I'd first like to confront the man who marks masturbation as "draining"; your wreckless and ill-intended use of words is clear to all of us. There is a huge difference between channeling and converting energy to "draining" energy. If I boil water to cook some eggs and half of it evaporates—then freeze the rest and use an ice cube, the remaining ice cubes are not the original amount of water: This has nothing to do with pouring water down a drain.
I think masturbation can be spiritual; if you are deeply in lust with a person and it's affecting your thoughts, choices, and actions—if you are longing for them, changing yourself, and feeling incredibly sexually attracted, I have found that if you masturbate to the thought of being in love with the person—usually by the end of climax your crippling desires will have ceased and you can get the fuck on with life.
Daoists who hold in their ejaculation throughout an entire saga of marriage may perhaps be completely deranged; I do not recommend holding your orgasm in, forbidding yourself from releasing bodily fluids (which is a healthy part of the flow of the system), and refusing yourself the ultimate, soul-saving release of bliss we have all come to know and love.
I'll finish this post by adding that if your fantasies are focused on the visions of a deity, you are absolutely meditating on the concept of sharing and joining equal ground with its power and love. Through countless masturbation meditations/fantasies/experiences, I have most certainly allowed myself to come to a place of greater love and acceptance toward others by simply feeling, much more deeply, the presence and personality of a being than by attempting to appease a more superficial approach such as to the image of someone you saw in a porno, a celebrity, on the street, in the halls, or whatever.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: unisus]
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There is absolutely no -- zero -- intrinsic connection between any sex act (alone or with others) and "love."
The supposed connection between sex and love has been foisted on us by institutional religion. Let's recognize the "connection" as invalid -- an attempt by others to control our bodies and the enjoyment of them -- and move on.
Sure, the sex act can, for some, be more fulfilling and emotionally gratifying when layered with love. Just like my birthday can be more gratifying when people email me on the day and tell me how much they love me. It's always nice to know that people love you and wish you well.
But "sex" and "love" are two different things.
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all this beauty said: There is absolutely no -- zero -- intrinsic connection between any sex act (alone or with others) and "love."
The supposed connection between sex and love has been foisted on us by institutional religion. Let's recognize the "connection" as invalid -- an attempt by others to control our bodies and the enjoyment of them -- and move on.
Sure, the sex act can, for some, be more fulfilling and emotionally gratifying when layered with love. Just like my birthday can be more gratifying when people email me on the day and tell me how much they love me. It's always nice to know that people love you and wish you well.
But "sex" and "love" are two different things.
Totally.
I'll agree with this; however, the love I am referring to is the appreciation of a person—their human nuances, needs, and pleasure. These aspects act as barriers between us depending upon our attitudes toward them. For instance, some people hate redheads—but, they meet a fairly attractive person who happens to be redheaded; by focusing on the masturbation fantasy of having sex with a redhead, and then exploring other fantasies, such a person may find their lower chakras opening up to the heart when it comes to the respect, acknowledgement, appreciation, and celebration of all redheads—and they may even come to prefer them.
Additionally, I have certainly been in relationships and due to the adoration and experiences during sexual pleasure, I found myself more attached to a person; after losing this relationship, I couldn't get them off my mind—and began rectifying all sorts of things about them that I disliked (learning to love them, even the imperfection.) Sex and love are not simply layers; they are, if you let them, intertwined—but not always.
My friend—that is an expansion of love.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: unisus]
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unisus said: Sex and love are not simply layers; they are, if you let them, intertwined—but not always.
I'm an ardent advocate of separating the sex act from notions of "love" because I believe the intertwining of the two does damage to both. (This view of mine is not to be confused, of course, with involuntary sex acts involving others -- which are totally repugnant acts of barbarism.)
Sex (alone or with others) can be 100 percent fulfilling without the interjection of any notion of love or affection, spiritually-speaking or otherwise. The sex urge is a primordial urge shared by human beings and cockroaches alike. No substantive difference there.
"Love" can be 100 percent fulfilling without the interjection of any suggestion of sex. I feel only sorrow for someone who has never experienced love in the absence of sexual urge.
We may not be disagreeing on anything of substance here. I do appreciate the exchange however, unisus.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
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No. If anything it makes me not desire my girlfriend and crave attention from other females. It weakens my sex drive when I need it most and often times leaves me feeling drained
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Relajarse]
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I've had some pretty weird spiritual thoughts after masturbating. But mostly I just feel dirty
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: B Nice]
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Can masturbation be spiritual? From my point of view (I am an eclectic hellenic pagan) the answer is: absolutely yes.
I can not cite any sources for it, but, as long as I know, masturbation was considered (in ancient Greece) a gift to the mankind from the god Pan (some people belive it was a gift from Hermes). To practice masturbation, may be a way to recognize the value of a gift from that God.
Moreover, even if any kind of sex is a generally regarded as a source of ritual impurity (technically called "miasma"), I heard some devout women claim that, for a woman whit a strong devoutness and a deep connection to Dionysus, it is feasible to masturbate during some specific solitary rites dedicated to this God.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said: Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
yeah, I guess you have to define "spiritual" cause if we're talking some casual western usage.... Once you understand spirit and spiritual in your own way, then the spirit kind of STICKS OUT and will direct and guide you. how is this accomplished, not sure, but when you know, you'll know.
But like the following poster says, yes it can be (spiritual), like any thing else! but I know that doesnt answer your question.
But someone can dig where im coming from, even if they arent here right now.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Vaizard]
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I admit to masturbating when I really need to scrub one out but I think that thinking masturbation is spiritual is a disgusting notion. I think its just gross. I mean there are things that are gross that can be spiritual (for instance magic mushrooms grow on shit) but for the most part, follow your instinct on that one
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When I'm in a higher state of consciousness I have no vested interest in whether things are spiritual or not, no morality, no laws, no game going, I don't care what I do. I'm alive, curious, sensitive, and life is one great big surprise. Sometimes I masturbate, other times I sit and watch the sun rise, but sometimes both, other times neither.
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yep right as you nut it feels like you just been forgiving all your sins. very spirtual
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AlgoRythm said: yep right as you nut it feels like you just been forgiving all your sins. very spirtual
Hmm, I guess for those who feel disgusted with themselves after they masturbate, maybe they could use some authoritative BDSM 'spank me I've been a bad boy/forgive me father for I have sinned' nasty, pig Zeus cosmic daddy/momma fantasy.....
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said: Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
Why couldn't masterbation be spiritual. Lol. Cause some body said it wasn't. Lol
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: doughnut]
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Its hard to find an act that is so undeniably egotistic. Which doesnt mean that there is anything wrong with it. Spiritual people seem full of prejudice toward a lot of things though.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: cbub]
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I personally feel as if anything and everything can be spiritual if it is perceived and practiced in a certain way.
Even if masturbation has a negative connotation, negativity is still a fundamental part of this universe.
So, if you are masturbating, and if you're 100% in full alignment with what it means to you, and you honor that...then I believe that is highly spiritual.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said: Lots of people into New Age or Eastern spirituality like to talk about "sacred sexuality." Interest in tantric sex is growing in the West, and it's easy to see how a sexual encounter can feel spiritually liberating. But what about masturbation? Is there any way of making that a kind of spiritual or sacred exercise? I have to say that it's certainly never felt very spiritual to me. What's more, I've heard that tantric practitioners tend to frown on masturbation, since the point in their practice is to avoid ejaculation. So what say you? Do you find anything spiritual or transcendent in masturbation?
No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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you ever try edging? im sure someone has mentioned it by now. its like tantra with yourself.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
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I guess I'm always edging when masturbating or having sex, this comes really naturally to me, but I'm also lit when I play, which for me greatly prolongs sex for hours while keeping the eroticism very high. I never get drunk and have sloppy sex, as for me that also prolongs things, but it's just boring mashing of genitals with lower libido.
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
I guess that's fair, but you didn't say "for me", but rather that it couldn't be. Anyways, rubbing someone's asshole isn't a great analogy for me, it could be incredibly spiritual, possibly the greatest gift one could ever give another, really loosen them up for awhile.
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No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
I guess that's fair, but you didn't say "for me", but rather that it couldn't be. Anyways, rubbing someone's asshole isn't a great analogy for me, it could be incredibly spiritual, possibly the greatest gift one could ever give another, really loosen them up for awhile. 
Ya know...ever since this question was asked, I have been doing a lot of thinking about it. And I will be doing more thinking about it in the near future.
For now...meaning right this second...I am officially taking back my opinion and saying "i don't know". Perhaps in a day or 2 I will have come to a conclusion 
I find this to be a tough/great question.
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No. Masturbation cannot be "spiritual".
How's come? From what I've read about spirituality, everything one does is part of one's sadhana (or spiritual work). Am I really to believe that people who are committed to spiritual awakening never masturbate?
Its just my personal opinion.
I cant back it up with anything besides that.
i just perceive masturbation as something opposite to spiritual because spiritual isn't supposed to be selfish. And i think masturbation falls into the whole selfish category.
but if someone told me masturbation was spiritual FOR THEM then i wouldn't argue it.
But for ME snd how i view the world/spirituality...i don't consider masturbation as something i would deem as a possibility for being spiritual 
to say masturbation can be spiritual is like saying rubbing someones asshole can be spiritual. its just not MY cup of tea
I guess that's fair, but you didn't say "for me", but rather that it couldn't be. Anyways, rubbing someone's asshole isn't a great analogy for me, it could be incredibly spiritual, possibly the greatest gift one could ever give another, really loosen them up for awhile. 
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Grapefruit]
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Whats so funny?
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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www.thewholenetwork.org Men are meant to have incredible woman like sensitivity when they masturbate or have sex, the reduction in pleasure and naturally intended function of the penis due to genital mutilation is profound to say the least. This is a satanic ritual invented by the illuminati with the goal of torturing infants.... i don't feel anything when i touch myself, i can have orgasms, but they aren't that special, just 2-3 seconds of pleasure after minutes of not feeling really anything at all.
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leery11 said: the reduction in pleasure and naturally intended function of the penis due to genital mutilation is profound to say the least.
AINT THAT THE FUCKING TRUTH!
I believe the elite(if there even is such a thing) created male circumcision to separate them from the rest of the people.
they "Get off" on going to bed and thinking "ahahah these idiot animals will never know sex as it is truly meant to feel like! for I am superior to those cattle! they will never know how good sex is without their foreskin they can NEVER EVER get back! MUAHAHAHA"
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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
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I told the priest I was taking catechism with back when I was 23, that I had been masturbating, but just to get it "out of my system," so that I wouldn't pursue my desire outwardly. He said, Oh, clinical masturbation." Rather than go out and make unwanted and impossible-to-maintain relationships that were gonna get me attached and maybe hurt someone else's feelings, I tried desperately to remain celibate during the most difficult time of my life, my 20s. Preposterous, I know. Plus, it was the 1970s and the culture was hyper sexual.
Hindu Tantras and Chinese Taoist Yoga maintain the same notions that the seminal fluid is the matrix for a particular life-force that shouldn't be wasted. Meanwhile, without successful techniques (I tried Hatha Yoga with some Kundalini exercises, prayer, fasting, isolation from females, sleeping on the floor without a pillow and nada. I couldn't beat it). Suppression gave me psychosomatic migraines that lasted from Friday night to Sunday night. Masturbation afforded a safety valve on an overly charged young male with normal sex drives. Having urges instead of being horny was an attempt to disidentify myself from the urge. I was attempting to rise above this urge, just as I was attempting to control my appetite or my need for sleep. In other words, I was attempting a modified middle-class form of asceticism in which I recognized a meta-motive - a motive-of-all-motives which I endeavored to identify with, call it Christ or the Holy Spirit (I later entered a seminary).
Like my Neoplatonist hero Plotinus, I was ashamed of being in the body and being kicked around by these biological imperatives to mate (even though I had NO desire to reproduce, or a real desire for female companionship, a girlfriend or wife, and neither had I any means to afford one). It was a very grim time of my life, coming from a sexual college life to a condition where I couldn't watch certain TV shows or walk inside a shopping mall for being overwhelmed by desire, and essentially hiding out in seminary and my bedroom 'monastic cell' trying to figure out what I should now do with a Bachelors degree in philosophy and a non-ordinational Master of Theological Studies degree. In graduate school, during the most difficult phases, I used masturbation for tension release, at which time it became compulsive and was anything but an exercise in transcendence. So, in closing, it depends on one's intention whether masturbation (or drinking wine for that matter), is a transcendental act or not.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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CosmicJoke
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Registered: 04/05/00
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it's good for relieving my
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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