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Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas
#14115720 - 03/13/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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773 I want to screw this 4' swinging arm onto a 10"x10" vertical beam that is part of my barn's exterior wall. its basically 4x4's and 2 galvanized pipes for pivot pins.
     
The basket is rust resistant for the most part. 


None of these u clamps had load limits on the packaging. The bottom is a bbq rack. I have another 2. One for a weight to sit upon and another for the whole basket to sit above the 55 gallon barrel's base.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14116286 - 03/13/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
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Moved per op's request.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: george castanza]
#14117851 - 03/14/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: total]
#14118326 - 03/14/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice!
Could you put a hinge and a catch on the bottom grille of the cage so you could dump it out straight onto the cooling/spawning table once drained?
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: solarity]
#14118381 - 03/14/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just made two smaller baskets that sit one on top of the other, but are light enough to lift out by hand. Each is also the correct amount of straw for a 10" X 30" straw log. RR
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14118631 - 03/14/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone!
HAHA I guess I was brainwashed by big basket pictures for years...
That money would have been better spent on a cooling table with a 10" funnel or the burner. Smaller stacked baskets... by hand, like a bamboo food steamer...duh.....Live and learn right?
My back will be happy with less lifting. Fortunately the pressure treated lumber was discounted to 51cents a piece.
sooooooooooooooooo
I need a heat source now. FP has a 160000 btu for 140ish + shipping. Amazon has a 20psi 185000btu high pressure burner $50???? ... any 1 have a link to a nice burner?
I wonder how much clearance should be between the burner nozzel and the bottom of the barrel?
If nobody answers .. I will build it and then somebody will be like why didn't you just burn some dog shit and I will be like "shit i waisted money again??" lol
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: solarity]
#14118645 - 03/14/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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solarity said: Nice!
Could you put a hinge and a catch on the bottom grille of the cage so you could dump it out straight onto the cooling/spawning table once drained?
good idea. I like the smaller basket idea!
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14119585 - 03/14/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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With this kind of setup do you heat the water inside the 55 gallon barrel or add it once hot? I've been wondering about getting a setup like this built but I thought food grade 55 gallon barrels would have funky coatings that wouldn't like the fire from a burner.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: MonkeyKnifeFight]
#14136728 - 03/17/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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MonkeyKnifeFight said: With this kind of setup do you heat the water inside the 55 gallon barrel or add it once hot? I've been wondering about getting a setup like this built but I thought food grade 55 gallon barrels would have funky coatings that wouldn't like the fire from a burner.
Some food grade barrels have removable liners. I plan to heat the water in the barrel. Not sure if its faster to add straw after desired heat is obtained. People seem to agree that total submersion allows even temps.
The soda bottling plant isn't returning calls about food grade barrels.. can only find gross coffin glue drums that had liners but arent food grade and plastic drums up the wazoo.
I'm still looking for food grade.. no worries.


The whole thing pivots under the roof.

 Guess I missed a few screws and nails.




Theres the beam its all tied into. I will add a few more screws.
Its already held 250lbs through an entire arc of movement.

Now to add the winch, pulleys and hook. I have to finish the basket too.
WHERES THE CHEAP BURNER FOLKS????
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14137779 - 03/17/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You probably don't want to go too cheap on the burner. You want one pretty powerful to heat that much water and then controllable so you can turn it down to maintain the boil. You can look on brewing website for some ideal ones probably.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: MonkeyKnifeFight]
#14140190 - 03/17/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: mycoelf]
#14140860 - 03/18/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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For burners...
This is the one I've got $105+free shipping for a 210,000+ BTU burner: http://www.bayouclassicdepot.com/kab4_banjo_burner.htm
They also have a "plus" version that has a wider support surface that would might be able to support a 55 gallon drum. On the regular one you need to set up something else to help hold up the drum. $130+free shipping: http://www.bayouclassicdepot.com/kab6-kick-a-banjo-burner-plus.htm
Mine works quite well, I've gotta say. Great customer service as well. I had a problem with an o-ring in part of mine, and they sent me a whole new burner no questions asked. It looks like you've got a good start for your setup. I really wish I had a barn, and some space to set up something more substantial.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: PitcherCrab]
#14141760 - 03/18/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: For burners...
Wow powerful burner..
Nice Blue Oyster Buckets by the way. I wonder how to make them more blue... there isnt enough blue produce!!! Blues are some of the coldest temp oysters I have seen. Is there a better candidate for cold oyster cult then the blues??
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14141974 - 03/18/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't trust any burner to hold a full 55 gallon barrel. Build something to hold the barrel independent of the burner. Here's what I did. There is no weight at all on the burner itself. RR
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14143388 - 03/18/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Build something to hold the barrel independent of the burner. RR
Solid cement blocks for now.
Your setup is really nice! I have wanted to learn to weld for a long time. Will watch for the electronic control updates.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14143481 - 03/18/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: For burners...
How much gas do you use typically?
What sort or thermometer do you recommend?
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: PitcherCrab]
#14144319 - 03/18/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Last time I did a cook I was using one of those little propane tanks used for BBQ's and I probably used about 2/3rds of it. For a thermometer I use one of those long ones for compost piles.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: PitcherCrab]
#14153677 - 03/20/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AC DC Winch Power? [Re: aris]
#14155183 - 03/20/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thing looks nice..... HAHAHAHa this always happens... I find something easier, cheaper whatever TOOO LATE... I'm glad I'm done collecting tools and I wont have this predicament for awhile.
The hardware store only had clothesline pulley so I whipped this together. It goes clean all the way to the other side with some big washers.



A few more 10" lag screws


All of the cheap winches I have found are 12v DC and their amperage varies depending on the load. The only converters I have found are like 1000mA... Far less then a cig lighter in the truck?
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Re: AC DC Winch Power? [Re: aris]
#14155421 - 03/20/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What kind of amp draw are you expecting. I would think you could hook up the winch to a truck battery use a charger when needed.
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Re: AC DC Winch Power? [Re: Chad1]
#14158530 - 03/21/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can just plug this one into an ordinary plug.
Its a hoist instead of a winch. It goes both ways. 16-30 ft per min
It has auto turnoffs and better braking control then other "discovered" alternatives. Rated for lifting loads not pulling loads.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14158958 - 03/21/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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aris said: I plan to heat the water in the barrel. Not sure if its faster to add straw after desired heat is obtained. People seem to agree that total submersion allows even temps.
You need to either soak the straw in soapy water for 2 hours or soak in normal water for 24 hours to hydrate the straw before heating. It's easier to add the dry, shredded straw to the barrel and then fill it up with water. I always do this the day before pasteurizing so it has time to soak. If you need to run a batch every day, simply get two barrels and slide your burner back and forth between them. RR
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: PitcherCrab]
#14158960 - 03/21/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: For burners...
This is the one I've got ... 210,000+ BTU burner: http://www.bayouclassicdepot.com/kab4_banjo_burner.htm ... Mine works quite well, I've gotta say. Great customer service as well. I had a problem with an o-ring in part of mine, and they sent me a whole new burner no questions asked.
I'm sold on this thing.... ordered it today with that 3/4 hp hoist and a SS 19" compost thermometer.
A barrel is around 3' tall. 19-20" was the longest non digital probe I could find. I won't be able to tell the temp in the bottom.
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RogerRabbit said: You need to either soak the straw in soapy water for 2 hours or soak in normal water for 24 hours to hydrate the straw before heating. It's easier to add the dry, shredded straw to the barrel and then fill it up with water. I always do this the day before pasteurizing so it has time to soak. If you need to run a batch every day, simply get two barrels and slide your burner back and forth between them. RR
Can I load a basket of leeched/soaked straw into barrel, fill with water, bring the straw and water to 140`-180` for 90min?
Or, Do I need to load leeched/soaked basket of straw into barrel, add fresh water, remove straw basket after water is full(thus preventing accidental overflow), heat and stir up water to 180` then add filled soaked straw basket for 90min while maintaining top temp over 150` less than 180`?
Should I forget about the lime? Has anyone figured out a good way to neutralize it? I remember an inconclusive thread...
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14164539 - 03/22/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It looks like everything's coming together! I can't wait to see the grows you're gonna do with this setup!
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: aris]
#14167337 - 03/22/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can I load a basket of leeched/soaked straw into barrel, fill with water, bring the straw and water to 140`-180` for 90min?
Or, Do I need to load leeched/soaked basket of straw into barrel, add fresh water, remove straw basket after water is full(thus preventing accidental overflow), heat and stir up water to 180` then add filled soaked straw basket for 90min while maintaining top temp over 150` less than 180`?
Should I forget about the lime? Has anyone figured out a good way to neutralize it? I remember an inconclusive thread...
Lime is optional. I don't use it any more because I dump my pasteurization water out on the ground, and our ground is already basic enough without liming it.
I usually just soak the straw in the same barrel I'm going to heat up to pasteurize in. However, you can soak in a different barrel and then transfer the straw to it. Put the straw in cool water and then start the heat. This ensures it's all the same temp. Keep it between 140F and 160F for 90 minutes. After the time is up, I just shut off the burner and let it cool naturally, dumping the straw out an hour or two later. RR
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14167481 - 03/22/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That pulley is boss. Nothing like work-saving tools.
What are you using as a container for straw that requires the pulley? Chicken wire? Hardware cloth? You mention that it's a "basket" but what's the material?
I was trying to find some hardware cloth but couldn't at any of the major home improvement stores. I went to target and bought a set of 3 laundry bags for like 10 bucks.
The three of them currently suffice but I'm going to have to upgrad this portion of my setup soon.
BROTHER! WHERE exactly did you find the 19" thermometer? I have been looking for one on Amazon and I couldn't find it.
Gonna try looking at various places under "compost thermometer"
Edit: I should prolly specify that I wanted to find one that's straight, not one with the round metal disc on it that reads numbers.
The ones with the round disc use some metal that is temperature sensitive and coils or uncoils depending on temp.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas (moved) [Re: Humility]
#14168561 - 03/23/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Humility said: That pulley is boss. Nothing like work-saving tools.
What are you using as a container for straw that requires the pulley? Chicken wire? Hardware cloth? You mention that it's a "basket" but what's the material? ... Gonna try looking at various places under "compost thermometer"
Edit: I should prolly specify that I wanted to find one that's straight, not one with the round metal disc on it that reads numbers.
28"x50' garden fence was enough for about 4 double thick baskets $20
that 28" measurement was perfect for my 34" deep barrel. I might need to add a loop of window screening. Fiberglass or aluminum.

$3 ... 3 per package plus the handy hoops work for basket loops
 brown paint .... now it will never rust :/

this stainless is wayyyyyyyyyyyy overkill @ 53c per foot. You could use much cheaper cable but not with the clamps I found. They had no load ratings (despte being on the rack with items by the same company that did have load limits??? Anyways clamps for smaller diameter wire looked weak even if the wire would of held.

The thermometer I found deep in the amazon jungle sounds like what your describing .. like a 19" meat thermometer. Deep frier thermometers go up to 800` so i would think they were harder to read then one of these "compost" thermometers that only go up to 250`ish.
The kind you describe with expansion and contraction seems to be the way to go.
Dont trust the electronic cheap temp, bbq, humidity or weather station sensors... they are junk.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
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It would be great if I could find a temporary way to pseudo insulate this zone 5 space and convert it to a usable 9x30ish room for the winter.
I'm nervous about flooding thoughout all the land near me... but the great outdoors will have to do. I need to track down a good book about farmers insurance.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
#14225341 - 04/02/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The hoist arrived, its documentation has even more grammatical and spelling errors then my posts! The Bayou Classic KAB4 High Pressure Banjo Cooker burner showed up with a few new challenges.
In the safety notes the manufacturer says:
keep the the propane at least 24" away from the burner! (no problem)
keep a 10' perimeter around the burner! (hm mmmmm uh oh)
asphalt is flammable! (oh ya...derp)
Is there a safe way to use this burner about 4.5' from a wooden barn?
 I need advice regarding a possible heat reflector between the burner and the barn wall. I don't know much about welding, masonry, bricks, cement or Firestone? I have quite a bit of 2" thick, flat stone (pathway stone) and access to masonry in all shapes and sizes. I hope I can solve this problem with a 6" thick cement brick wall. No Morter
The work area is currently paved with asphalt. Can I just plop 1.5" thick cement patio tiles down? I want something to hold the weight off the burner, 13" up. (RR used metal) Is cement safe for this? I don't want a weight barring block to crack or a 170` straw water tsunami either!
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
#14225961 - 04/02/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hrm, a barn located 4.5 feet away sounds like a problem.
Why can't you move your setup? Isn't everything mobile? Drums, propane tank, burner; maybe a concrete heat shield?
I have a bit of straw and a wooden fence within 5 feet or so of my setup. I habitually hose everything down before I turn on the burner though. By the time I'm done a run or two the wood is still wet so I'm not too concerned.
Concrete is an excellent insulator of heat; marble obviously works pretty well but it's incredibly expensive (I do know folks often have a large slab or two of marble laying around though. It's really awesome to see organic material like a tree that's been flattened by marble lying on it).
I think the best solution would be to just locate the burning stuff away from the burnable stuff.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: Humility]
#14226201 - 04/02/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always wonder why you guys with commercial setups aren't using solar hot water?
I've tapped into my household solar hws before the temper valve and on a sunny day the water is in the high 80C. i have to add cold water to the free hot water to cool it down for pastuerising. It's 410 litres and there's only two of us here, so it doesn't really impact on us, but i'm sure a dedicated one would pay for itself very quickly.
Means you don't need a gas burner, you can use food grade plastic barrels etc.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
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4.5 feet is more than a meter. That does not sound like a problem to me. Want a good fireproof insulator ? Nothing beats a sheet of rockwool.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
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punkin said: I always wonder why you guys with commercial setups aren't using solar hot water?
I've tapped into my household solar hws before the temper valve and on a sunny day the water is in the high 80C. i have to add cold water to the free hot water to cool it down for pastuerising. It's 410 litres and there's only two of us here, so it doesn't really impact on us, but i'm sure a dedicated one would pay for itself very quickly.
Means you don't need a gas burner, you can use food grade plastic barrels etc.
Only a few regions of the U.S. are compatible with that method. Also, you'd probably need an unobstructed view of the sun which isn't possible in the city.
That's a hell of an idea though and makes sense. Would reduce propane costs immensely if you could start out with water that's already 100+ degrees F(pasteurization temps for F are 140-160)
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
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Why not mount a sheet of sheet metal out about 6 inches around your burner. Wood stoves usually have a piece of sheet metal out about an inch or so from the back of the stove which enables you to decrease the distance to combustibles by at least 50%. Would also serve as a wind break for your burner.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: Humility]
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punkin said: I always wonder why you guys with commercial setups aren't using solar hot water?
I've tapped into my household solar hws before the temper valve and on a sunny day the water is in the high 80C. i have to add cold water to the free hot water to cool it down for pastuerising. It's 410 litres and there's only two of us here, so it doesn't really impact on us, but i'm sure a dedicated one would pay for itself very quickly.
Means you don't need a gas burner, you can use food grade plastic barrels etc.
Only a few regions of the U.S. are compatible with that method. Also, you'd probably need an unobstructed view of the sun which isn't possible in the city.
That's a hell of an idea though and makes sense. Would reduce propane costs immensely if you could start out with water that's already 100+ degrees F(pasteurization temps for F are 140-160)
You'd be starting with water that's too damn hot for pastuerisation and needs cool water added to get it back to temps. I don't understand what you mean by only a few regions in the states are suitable?
Doesn't the sun shine in other places? You don't need to hook these things up to anything but a small pump to lift the water to the panels on the roof, if you don't need to have it hot for domestic use. Otherwise they have an lpg or electric boost that only comes on if the temp comes down to below whatever you set it at.
Most buildings have roofs. And there is always one face of the roof facing the predominant direction of the sun travel in a square house. All the commercial setups including the two being talked about in this thread are in a rural setting anyway, unless thats an indoor barn?
http://www.energyrant.com/cheap-solar-hot-water-adelaide/
Anyway, just the way i do it and throwing the idea in. I like free, easy hot water
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
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Im all about energy conservation...Dont get me wrong... But just because the sun shines doesnt mean the region is suitable for solar...
For example, we will use RR... Who's house' roof is covered by snow alot of the year... Pumping water on top of your snow covered roof is a accident waiting to happen 
Think of solar as a plant... Just because plants need the sun to grow and live, doesnt mean any plant can live where there is sun...
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
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I like the solar idea too....
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
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Don't get me wrong man, sounds like an absolute must for anywhere even semi-rural, but I live in row-houses. That isn't going to work brah.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: punkin]
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Doesn't the sun shine in other places?
Not enough to heat water, at least in my place. I'm in a canyon on the north side of a mountain. During the winter, I'm in the shade for 4 months with zero sunshine and -20F to -30F. Then, it's another three months on each side of that before we get more than two or three hours per day, and the damn panels would have to be super insulated, even in the summer. We had to run our wood stove indoors last year until mid-July, and had it running again by late August.
What works in one region, doesn't necessarily work in another. I'll be building a bio-fuels boiler this summer, which hopefully will let me keep the propane boiler as a backup. RR
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Ok, sounds horrible though. I bet mold grows on your testicles.
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Nope. It's too cold for mold to grow here. It's actually a very dry climate once the snow melts. I wouldn't trade this place for anywhere else I've ever lived. There's a grand total of only 9 people living within 100 square miles around us. RR
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Probably moss then.
I see the beauty, but i reckon there's a reason there's so few [people living there.
We got places like that too.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: M8M]
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M8M said: Why not mount a sheet of sheet metal out about 6 inches around your burner. Wood stoves usually have a piece of sheet metal out about an inch or so from the back of the stove which enables you to decrease the distance to combustibles by at least 50%. Would also serve as a wind break for your burner.
I wish I already had the tools and knowledge to work with metal.
Maybe an old metal trashcan and tin snips...
I guess I will just have to do some surface temperature tests.
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Re: Another 55g Pasteurizer Setup... Advice Wanted from local Straw Ninjas [Re: aris]
#14230424 - 04/03/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Old stoves, washers, dryers and refrigerators have good panels of sheet metal, many of which only require a screwdriver or wrench to remove.
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RogerRabbit said: Nope. It's too cold for mold to grow here. It's actually a very dry climate once the snow melts. I wouldn't trade this place for anywhere else I've ever lived. There's a grand total of only 9 people living within 100 square miles around us. RR

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Gloves and insulation for barrel [Re: aris]
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Its still raining and has been for awhile so it was nice safe time to try this thing. Im glad the manual pointed out that its wise to check gas seals with soapy water. It was a pretty anticlimactic 20 min test. No problems yet. I need some nice gloves. I will do a real test when I have the hoist set up.

Hmm figuring out this whole regulator air mix thing will take some tinkering to get just right. I can't tell whats un burned gas and whats heat distorting the air around the burner. The flame looks pretty blue to me but for all I know this thing is at a fraction of its potential. The burner has a 30 psi regulator and I've got that set to about a half turn in these pics. The air mix is 1/3 open.
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Re: Gloves and insulation for barrel [Re: aris]
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That's a good flame so your air adjustment is fine. What you need to do is enclose the burner with bricks, which you'll take halfway up the pasteurizing barrel to direct the heat from the flame into the water, instead of paying to heat the air all around.
In other words, force the heat up and along the sides of the barrel, allowing the fumes to escape half way up. Wrap the top half with insulation. This will reduce gas use by over 50%, and also greatly reduce time to reach temperature. RR
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Re: Gloves and insulation for barrel [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Re: Gloves and insulation for barrel [Re: aris]
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Using bricks is safe? I thought bricks had the potential to explode or something if heated?
Maybe the temperatures we're working with wouldn't cause that to be a problem?
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Re: Gloves and insulation for barrel [Re: Humility]
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Bricks are fine, they are fired in a kiln when made so they will not explode here. After lots of cooks tey may degrade and crumble a bit.
It's river rocks you have to be careful of, the water that has soaked into them expands when hot and cracks or violently fractures them. But they're a pain to stack so they wouldn't get used.
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Straw Log Jig and other updates.... [Re: aris]
#14560908 - 06/04/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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1 Straw log tubing made the perfect winch water-proofer

2 Teh straw log making jig... for this test wet straw and perlite were used in place of spawn and pasteurized straw.
3 a neon orange collar made of construction cone fits snugly in this orange funnel made of a modified cement foot mold.
4 a few clamps.. When the bag cavity is filled to capacity the whole funnel rig is winched up another foot higher and the base collar slides down the tube. The spawn in the core remains undisturbed somewhat like a twinkie filling. The packer never has to reach very deep in to the tube.
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Re: Straw Log Jig and other updates.... [Re: aris]
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21 Some new bolts to keep everything held down
22 My winch control water shield gelcap made out of plastic bottles... fingers can get in water not so much!
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Re: Straw Log Jig and other updates.... [Re: aris]
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Nice job. I especially like your straw log jig.  RR
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Re: Straw Log Jig and other updates.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
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1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: aris]
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Im considering the best way to adapt this pasteurizer on a budget so that it can also be used as a 1 psi PC. Wax paper is a start... I have 14 dozen 1.5 pint jars that aren't in use because the volume limitations of the pc's I have now deside if im using quart jars or a spawn bag instead. I don't have very many quart jars..
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Re: 1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: aris]
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Nice work! It really looks like everything's coming together! +5    
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Re: 1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: PitcherCrab]
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Thanks for all the help Pitcher. The burner you recommended works great!
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Re: 1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: aris]
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Re: AC DC Winch Power? [Re: solarity]
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Great job. I hope it all works out for you. Very creative.
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Re: 1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: aris]
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aris said: Im considering the best way to adapt this pasteurizer on a budget so that it can also be used as a 1 psi PC. Wax paper is a start... I have 14 dozen 1.5 pint jars that aren't in use because the volume limitations of the pc's I have now dictate using quart jars or a spawn bag instead. I don't have very many quart jars..
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I have read RR's boiler, before automation, could runs 4 days on a full drum of water. Can a few inches of H2O work for a 9 hour run? I would like to sterilize 4 layers of 25, 1.5 pint jars of rye..no additive except coffee and gypsm..no bran, spawn bags, or quart jars so maybe even a shorter time. I got 14 dozen of these 1.5 pint jars for FREE so I would like to know how to use them because in my 23 qt pc's they would be 3/4 as productive as quarts. I can still only fit 10 jars per load.
I'm also concerned that my 30 psi, high btu burner might not be the best for a 9 hour boil of much less water...
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Re: 1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: aris]
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I'm also concerned that my 30 psi, high btu burner might not be the best for a 9 hour boil of much less water...
You can get a regulator to throttle it down if necessary. RR
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Re: 1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Re: 1 PSI PC lid conversion.... [Re: aris]
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Less than 5 if you're talking propane or natural gas. RR
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Longer Straw Soak then planned.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
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 I wanted to soak for 24hrs but there were changes in the plan like always. After 24 hrs I drained the straw and checked my propane connects with soapy water. Sure enough the propane tank valve had a cracked seal where the regulator attached (thx tank exchange program). I went and got a another tank and filled up the 55 with fresh water and the already soaked straw. Then my girlfriend totally mindfucked me and I just left the straw where it was. So the straw has soaked for about 40hrs with a 2 hr break after thwe 1st 24. Can I pasteurize this straw today? Should I just chip $7 more straw.
Im anxious to use some jars that appeared totally colinzed 3 days ago..I got a nice smooth "rice rocket" tire to bonk the jars on finally ..
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Re: Longer Straw Soak then planned.... [Re: aris]
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Why not insulate the bottom half of the barrel with more fiberglass? [Re: aris]
#14707152 - 07/02/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The top half got up to 140 F in 2 hrs.
I turned off the heat and removed the top at 153 F (NEXT TIME 140).. Temp continued to bubble up from the depths to 170 F so I removed the side insulation. err I was aiming for 140-160F
I wonder if I should have let the whole thing cool down in the water. Instead I hoisted it out 90 min after reaching 140 F and dumped it out on the table to cool. Wanted it out because that 170 temp just wouldn't drop for the last hour.
Using a hook ended metal rod as be my third hand, I figured out how to dump the basket.
After it was about 115 F the pile was stirred a few times with my bare sanitized arms.
The whole setup ought to be taller. ^^^^^^
The Straw log jig really works like a charm. I couldn't be happier. 
Why not insulate the bottom half of the barrel with more fiberglass?
I weighed the propane tank on a home scale. In 82F weather it looks like this process took less then 3 LBS of propane.

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