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Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin?
    #14115262 - 03/13/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Feel free to move this is it doesn't go here I was unsure,

but I was wondering: why do cubes and various other mushroom species produce psilocybin and psilocin, is there any explanation or is it just cause?


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14115365 - 03/13/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody really knows. Why does your body produce bilirubin?


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14115450 - 03/13/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

xBen, on your sig, if a chemical is blacked out does that mean you have done it or that you haven't done it?

And as an answer to your question, psilocybin/psilocin are produced to provide an interstellar interface for communication between extraterrestrial beings and anything with the appropriate nervous system. Well, that's one theory anyway.

There's no real reason why anything has evolved to be the way it is, besides organisms humans have artificially selected. Evolution works blindly over many generations. Basically, as long as a gene doesn't hurt the ability of an organism to pass down that gene, it will get passed down.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14115451 - 03/13/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mushrooms produce drugz so we can get bombd (in a good way) and bilirubin is just cool.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: raw-beets]
    #14115595 - 03/13/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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xBen, on your sig, if a chemical is blacked out does that mean you have done it or that you haven't done it?

And as an answer to your question, psilocybin/psilocin are produced to provide an interstellar interface for communication between extraterrestrial beings and anything with the appropriate nervous system. Well, that's one theory anyway.

There's no real reason why anything has evolved to be the way it is, besides organisms humans have artificially selected. Evolution works blindly over many generations. Basically, as long as a gene doesn't hurt the ability of an organism to pass down that gene, it will get passed down.




Crossed out means I have done it.

Thanks for your post as it's the only informational reply that I received,
I was thinking it could possibly be some sort of defense mechanism from animals and other predators.



I'll be crossing mushrooms off my list more than likely this weekend, btw.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: raw-beets]
    #14115663 - 03/13/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And as an answer to your question, psilocybin/psilocin are produced to provide an interstellar interface for communication between extraterrestrial beings and anything with the appropriate nervous system. Well, that's one theory anyway.




awesome hypothesis IMO :thumbup::ooo:


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14115751 - 03/13/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We don't know its function in the mushrooms lifecyle.

I would imagine it has something to do with detouring insects, and animals from eating them but how knows it could just be their version of insulin??? :shrug:


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14115844 - 03/13/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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We don't know its function in the mushrooms lifecyle.

I would imagine it has something to do with detouring insects, and animals from eating them but how knows it could just be their version of insulin??? :shrug:




Well Doc_T mentioned bilirubin and that's actually the cause of the yellow coloring from our bruises, could psiloc(yb)in have something to do with a similar action but for mushrooms?

Is that not why they turn a bluish color when bruised?


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14115852 - 03/13/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14115860 - 03/13/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's not.




I need to read more reliable sources then.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14115928 - 03/13/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oxidation is why they turn blue when they are bruised.

There does seem to be a correlation between potency and the amount of bluing though.

Again no clue why :shrug:


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14116067 - 03/13/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I bet it was created as an interface between us and nature :drag:

And the bluing is from smurfs...


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: jmello]
    #14116201 - 03/13/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Who knows?

All I know for sure is that shrooms have prevented any chance of extinction due to their psilocybin producing capabilities; we cultivate them just for that purpose.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: M11]
    #14116217 - 03/13/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: transkei]
    #14116315 - 03/13/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the chemical is produced as a toxin that is their only defense mechanism.  It's not fatal to humans (near impossible to die from overdose), but it sure will make your body upset.  It's similar to caffeine- an insecticide, that stimulates out central nervous system (instead of killing us)


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14116537 - 03/13/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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the chemical is produced as a toxin that is their only defense mechanism.  It's not fatal to humans (near impossible to die from overdose), but it sure will make your body upset.  It's similar to caffeine- an insecticide, that stimulates out central nervous system (instead of killing us)




It sure does prevent us from eating too many.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: M11] * 1
    #14116567 - 03/13/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It sure does prevent us from eating too many.




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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14116594 - 03/13/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Because most animals that eat the mushroom would get FREAKED OUT ( i.e. Dogs, cows, deer, etc) and would probably avoid it in the future. This is called an evolutionary measure. Lol.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14116633 - 03/13/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It sure does prevent us from eating too many.




speak for yourself  :datass:




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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: M11]
    #14116867 - 03/13/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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the chemical is produced as a toxin that is their only defense mechanism.  It's not fatal to humans (near impossible to die from overdose), but it sure will make your body upset.  It's similar to caffeine- an insecticide, that stimulates out central nervous system (instead of killing us)




It sure does prevent us from eating too many.





its not an issue of too many.  It evolved over time to create toxins targeting non-mammalian species.  Kind of like how drinking too much coffee will make you shit yourself.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14116943 - 03/13/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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the chemical is produced as a toxin that is their only defense mechanism.  It's not fatal to humans (near impossible to die from overdose), but it sure will make your body upset.  It's similar to caffeine- an insecticide, that stimulates out central nervous system (instead of killing us)




It sure does prevent us from eating too many.





its not an issue of too many.  It evolved over time to create toxins targeting non-mammalian species.  Kind of like how drinking too much coffee will make you shit yourself.




Evolution has no "target" as you stated.  Favorable, inheritable traits are passed from generation to generation.  Species don't decide that it sure would be nice to have a toxin that resides in my cells to prevent bugs from eating me, and then carry out the biological processes to make such a toxin. 

I was just casually stating that given the potency of domesticated strains, we don't consume all that many shrooms for a good time.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: M11]
    #14116952 - 03/13/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14116994 - 03/13/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am not trying to come off as argumentative dmonkey1.  I just enjoy the discussions on these boards.

Nice avatar by the way; it cracks me up.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: M11]
    #14117245 - 03/13/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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dmonkey1 said:
the chemical is produced as a toxin that is their only defense mechanism.  It's not fatal to humans (near impossible to die from overdose), but it sure will make your body upset.  It's similar to caffeine- an insecticide, that stimulates out central nervous system (instead of killing us)




It sure does prevent us from eating too many.





its not an issue of too many.  It evolved over time to create toxins targeting non-mammalian species.  Kind of like how drinking too much coffee will make you shit yourself.




Coffee doesn't do that to me.

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I am not trying to come off as argumentative dmonkey1.  I just enjoy the discussions on these boards.

Nice avatar by the way; it cracks me up.




Lmao, me too.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14117294 - 03/13/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Actually some mammals seek these out. Believe it or not, some species like to get high. Cats (even large jungle cats) go for catnip and strange jungle vines that get them high; elephants find rotting fruit (which produce alcohol) and get drunk; reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally looking for them.

It's just cubensis' dumb luck, or evolutionary advantage, that the animals that like to eat them happen to have the right digestive system to help them spread spores. Generally those include deer, cattle, reindeer, horses and other herbivores. The odd squirrel enjoys them too, but I think red squirrels are more partial to them than gray squirrels.

Now that I think about it, it's probably more luck than anything that animals spread spores for them. I'm not sure how intentional it is for cattle and horses to eat shrooms. They're dumb grazers that just mow the grass, and if the shrooms are the same height as the grass, they get eaten too.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14117339 - 03/13/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually some mammals seek these out. Believe it or not, some species like to get high. Cats (even large jungle cats) go for catnip and strange jungle vines that get them high; elephants find rotting fruit (which produce alcohol) and get drunk; reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally looking for them.

It's just cubensis' dumb luck, or evolutionary advantage, that the animals that like to eat them happen to have the right digestive system to help them spread spores. Generally those include deer, cattle, reindeer, horses and other herbivores. The odd squirrel enjoys them too, but I think red squirrels are more partial to them than gray squirrels.

Now that I think about it, it's probably more luck than anything that animals spread spores for them. I'm not sure how intentional it is for cattle and horses to eat shrooms. They're dumb grazers that just mow the grass, and if the shrooms are the same height as the grass, they get eaten too.




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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14117447 - 03/14/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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cattle and horses ... They're dumb grazers that just mow the grass




I'm shaking my fist at you for grouping the intelligence levels of cows with horses. you ever look into a horses eyes man? they are very aware beings.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14117460 - 03/14/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wasn't trying to get into the nitty-gritty of genetics. Just as M11 said, I just wanted to make a point that there is never a goal in mind when new heritable traits emerge from natural selection.

Now, that begs the question of whether artificial selection (breeding) by people counts as natural selection. Because we and, in turn, our actions are a product of evolution wouldn't it follow that our actions are simply another force of natural selection?

Sexual selection can cause potential mates to be selected based on a trait that may be linked to their competitive fitness tenuously at best. This can result in dramatic traits which seem to be unhelpful, harmful even, to an organisms fitness, example: peacock.

Similarly, humans breed organisms for certain trait(s) to the extent that the organism could not survive in the wild, though it flourishes in a domestic environment. This would be called artificial selection.

However, since human behavior and action is a result of evolutionary mechanisms should our actions be considered artificial when they apply to selecting individuals to breed based on desirable traits?


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14117476 - 03/14/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ryath, this is just for you. Read the whole thing, whether or not you love horses, it's hilarious.

Horses are definitely smarter than cattle, but when it comes to munching on grass, I'm willing to bet they handle it the same way. Teeth near ground, anything goes.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14117527 - 03/14/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lmao, I haven't read every line yet, and my eyes are already watering. thx for that. it doesn't deter my love of horses though


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: raw-beets]
    #14117542 - 03/14/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I wasn't trying to get into the nitty-gritty of genetics. Just as M11 said, I just wanted to make a point that there is never a goal in mind when new heritable traits emerge from natural selection.
Now, that begs the question of whether artificial selection (breeding) by people counts as natural selection. Because we and, in turn, our actions are a product of evolution wouldn't it follow that our actions are simply another force of natural selection? Sexual selection can cause potential mates to be selected based on a trait that may be linked to their competitive fitness tenuously at best. This can result in dramatic traits which seem to be unhelpful, or harmful even, to an organisms fitness, example: peacock. Similarly, humans breed organisms for certain trait(s) to the extent that the organism could not survive in the wild, though it flourishes in a domestic environment. This would be called artificial selection. However, since human behavior and action is a result of evolutionary mechanisms should our actions be considered artificial when they apply to selecting individuals to breed based on desirable traits?




Use paragraphs, fuck.

I didn't even read that.

tl;dr

Edit: and what the hell brought up sex?


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14117552 - 03/14/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14117561 - 03/14/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually some mammals seek these out. Believe it or not, some species like to get high. reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally looking for them.

It's just cubensis' dumb luck, or evolutionary advantage, that the animals that like to eat them happen to have the right digestive system to help them spread spores. Generally those include deer, cattle, reindeer, horses and other herbivores. The odd squirrel enjoys them too, but I think red squirrels are more partial to them than gray squirrels.




I was going to bring that up as well, I thought it was possible that instead of it being poisoned to keep some animals away, it's slowly evolved with something to attract them instead.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: BlindBat]
    #14117572 - 03/14/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually some mammals seek these out. Believe it or not, some species like to get high. Cats (even large jungle cats) go for catnip and strange jungle vines that get them high; elephants find rotting fruit (which produce alcohol) and get drunk; reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally looking for them.

It's just cubensis' dumb luck, or evolutionary advantage, that the animals that like to eat them happen to have the right digestive system to help them spread spores. Generally those include deer, cattle, reindeer, horses and other herbivores. The odd squirrel enjoys them too, but I think red squirrels are more partial to them than gray squirrels.

Now that I think about it, it's probably more luck than anything that animals spread spores for them. I'm not sure how intentional it is for cattle and horses to eat shrooms. They're dumb grazers that just mow the grass, and if the shrooms are the same height as the grass, they get eaten too.




Some of those claims have validity, such as the reindeer eating mushrooms (i think it's Amanita muscaria, though, & not ones w/psilocybin) & felines liking catnip. However, the elephant one has been discredited by virtue of small amount of alcohol in fruit compared to the huge body weight of the animal.

I would take slight offense at the "dumb grazers" classification as it's true that they sometimes will unknowingly eat toxic plants, but they do exercise selection & preference as routine behavior. However, i don't know how they are with mushrooms.

I think the poster who said it evolved & was selected for as an insecticide like caffeine is probably closest to the truth. As for discouraging larger animals (& maybe even attracting some if the reindeer hypothesis is correct), that would be hard to know how affective it would be, especially in terms of discouragement. Since the animal may well have munched on one or two other things by the time the effects kick in, it would be hard to know if they could attribute it to the shrooms. I think the taste would probably also serve as a barrier to prevent them from eating enough to feel the effects, though.

Come to think about it, that be pretty fucked for the animal, though, both literally & figuratively. I can't imagine being under the influence of psychedelics, and unknowingly at that, in the context being under always at least some degree of threat from predation.




Elephants may not, but monkeys definitely seek out alcohol to get drunk though.  They'll even steal drinks from tourists who aren't paying close enough attention to their glasses.






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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14117583 - 03/14/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I would take slight offense at the "dumb grazers" classification as it's true that they sometimes will unknowingly eat toxic plants, but they do exercise selection & preference as routine behavior. However, i don't know how they are with mushrooms.

I think the poster who said it evolved & was selected for as an insecticide like caffeine is probably closest to the truth. As for discouraging larger animals (& maybe even attracting some if the reindeer hypothesis is correct), that would be hard to know how affective it would be, especially in terms of discouragement. Since the animal may well have munched on one or two other things by the time the effects kick in, it would be hard to know if they could attribute it to the shrooms. I think the taste would probably also serve as a barrier to prevent them from eating enough to feel the effects, though.

Come to think about it, that be pretty fucked for the animal, though, both literally & figuratively. I can't imagine being under the influence of psychedelics, and unknowingly at that, in the context being under always at least some degree of threat from predation.


I've read that deer like the aminita so much that hunters will post up near patches if they know reindeer are around.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14117600 - 03/14/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Please, post in paragraphs.

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    #14117636 - 03/14/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lol Those are paragraphs.

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    #14117686 - 03/14/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If none of you have seen it might I recommend watching "Animals Are Beautiful People" it's an old nature show from the 70s and it shows drunken elephants as well as giraffes and other creatures. It's a funny movie as well but I've got a weird taste in movies.

As for the psilocybin and what not, you're all wrong, it's cuz dog made it that way.....or mushrooms just dream a lot and have super tryptamine levels.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14118025 - 03/14/11 03:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14118044 - 03/14/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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http://www.cracked.com/article_17032_7-species-that-get-high-more-than-we-do.html




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    #14118185 - 03/14/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Xben...i see you crossed off shrooms on your list :smile: :mushroom2: congrats


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14118427 - 03/14/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally.




I've heard Reindeer like to eat the red capped Amanita, I have never heard that they enjoy libs, though it is concievable. However, reindeer live in sub arctic regions.... No cubes.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14119150 - 03/14/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally.




I've heard Reindeer like to eat the red capped Amanita, I have never heard that they enjoy libs, though it is concievable. However, reindeer live in sub arctic regions.... No cubes.




Yeah that was my bad, I knew it was a red-capped mushroom. You're right about the Amanita.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14119213 - 03/14/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Theory 1
Mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin as a defencive compound to affect digestive system of animals who happen to eat them. Those molecules are very similar to serotonin. On wikipedia I found this:
The gut is surrounded by enterochromaffin cells, which release serotonin in response to food in the lumen. This makes the gut contract around the food. Platelets in the veins draining the gut collect excess serotonin.
If irritants are present in the food, the enterochromaffin cells release more serotonin to make the gut move faster, i.e., to cause diarrhea, so that the gut is emptied of the noxious substance. If serotonin is released in the blood faster than the platelets can absorb it, the level of free serotonin in the blood is increased. This activates 5HT3 receptors in the chemoreceptor trigger zone that stimulate vomiting.

Theory 2
They produce psilocybin/psilocin to affect nervous system of animals who happen to eat them. I imagine if some wild boar or similar animal would be trippin hard in the woods somewhere, it would be easy target for predators, so they would probably avoid that mushroom next time.

Theory 3
Animals use serotonin as a neurotransmitter. Because psilocybin/psilocin are very similar on a molecular level to serotonin, it would be logical to assume that mushrooms use those molecules on the same purpose. Maybe they are using them for communication between distant cells in the mycelium. I always wondered how the mycelium knows, when the substrate is colonized and it's time to fruit. This theory is pretty interesting, because if every cell of mycelium can communicate with another using neurotransmitters, it could be viewed as some sort of a ... brain. With even some sort of self awareness perhaps.

Theory 4
Our biosphere on this planet is engineered or manipulated somehow at some point. There are some molecules that allow us to contact distant entities mentally or to trigger multy media presentations coded in our DNA. A fungus is quite foolproof carrier for these molecules. If there is some sort of organic food it could be living and waiting for those species with subsequintly evolved brains to rise and make contact.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14119261 - 03/14/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My best guess is it is a natural defense against predators.  Imagine a WILD JUNGLE HOG sniffing around the jungle floor for some dinner.  Unbeknownst to him, his dinner contains psilocybin.  This is not what our jungle hog bargained for and it is probably not a pleasurable experience for him.  I imagine in the future, our jungle hog is probably going to stay away with these particular fungi. 

What these fungi did not anticipate in their evolution, is people.  We like getting fucked up.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: fbi365]
    #14119502 - 03/14/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I often ponder when tripping what it would have been like to be the first human (or pre human) to come across psilocybin containing mushrooms.  They would be simply hunting and gathering.  Grab a few handfuls of shrooms, munch them down, and before you know it...

...Religious experience.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14119685 - 03/14/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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why do cubes and various other mushroom species produce psilocybin and psilocin, is there any explanation or is it just cause?





Who knows....but with this "trick" they manage to access new territories:Your Home.
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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14119772 - 03/14/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And as an answer to your question, psilocybin/psilocin are produced to provide an interstellar interface for communication between extraterrestrial beings and anything with the appropriate nervous system. Well, that's one theory anyway.




awesome hypothesis IMO :thumbup::ooo:




Hey, it's no hypothesis!!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh2:

Here's a thought, though:  Serotonin, the common neurotransmitter that psilocin mimics when it docks on brain neurons, also regulates digestion (as noted).  If you fast before you trip you trip harder.  If you trip heavily with a lot in your gut you get that nausea, if you ATE the shrooms :shake: you can end up tossin' 'em.  Mushroom's cell walls are made of chitin and chitin isn't digestible.

Now if you toss 'em before you digest 'em but after you've wandered away from where you ate 'em, you've just moved the spores around from the mushrooms point of view.  Just a thought.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14119906 - 03/14/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I really disagree with the predator-deterrent theory for one main reason; the experience doesn't kick in for up to an hour or two. Unless the animals were very good at recognizing patterns (and even then), they'd have to ingest the mushroom several times before they figured it out. Unlike something like a hot pepper or thorn bush where the effect is immediate pain.

There's no evidence that psilocybin is an insecticide, and in fact you'll often find larvae growing in your wild shrooms.

Not to mention that it doesn't hurt the fungus when it's reproductive fruits get destroyed.

Quite frankly, the presence of psilocybin and psilocin in mushrooms is a totally mystery. The only evolutionary advantage one could think of would be some kind of behavioral modification of animals. And as we all know, this modification can be EXTREMELY varied, and so the relationship between that behavior and any advantages to the mushroom would be very complex if they existed at all.

As far out at it is, the theory that psilocybin is a trans-species neurotransmitter is the only one that seems appealing beside the theory that it's a completely random accident.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14122152 - 03/14/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nimal eat muahroom. animal trips out....animal gets lost and mushys live


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    #14122394 - 03/14/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Xben...i see you crossed off shrooms on your list :smile: :mushroom2: congrats




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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14123692 - 03/15/11 04:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:studmuffin:
I know why mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin.......

It is because they are so jealous i am soooo sexy!

I know they just want to chew and screw though so I won't fall for their games.....

I'm lookin' for luv not lunch!

That dirty Penis Envy asshole just wants to fuck you up then bounce,.....

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    #14124251 - 03/15/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Theory 4
Our biosphere on this planet is engineered or manipulated somehow at some point. There are some molecules that allow us to contact distant entities mentally or to trigger multy media presentations coded in our DNA. A fungus is quite foolproof carrier for these molecules. If there is some sort of organic food it could be living and waiting for those species with subsequintly evolved brains to rise and make contact.




Lol, McKenna was one crazy fuck. I mean he was right-on in alot of respects, but the whole DNA resonance thing.... He was a fuckin nut.

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I often ponder when tripping what it would have been like to be the first human (or pre human) to come across psilocybin containing mushrooms.  They would be simply hunting and gathering.  Grab a few handfuls of shrooms, munch them down, and before you know it...

...Religious experience.

:raveface:




I often have wondered the same thing myself.... I wonder just how much brain power an animal has to have in order to be able to enjoy such an experience and semi-understand it.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #16613130 - 07/29/12 08:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I know this is old, but in case anybody else ever reads this, here is my 2 cents

I always wondered why shrooms just so happened to be edible, and how psilocin just so happened to have an extremely high 50 LD rate

I also wondered why bud contained seeds, that are very disgusting to smoke, easily picked out of the bud. Just like how the seeds inside and orange? you eat the orange (smoke the marijuana) and dispose of the seeds... which then get a chance to reproduce.

But this is the part that gets me.

Why does smoking bud feel so damn good? why does the smell seduct the user, and make them want to smoke if they arent already high? Perhaps for the reasons I stated above.

Now to get back to shrooms... most come ups are an anxious, excited, blissful feeling. Pleasurable.

what else is pleasurable? sex.
Why is it pleasurable? so we'll reproduce.

I have a feeling the pleasure associated with herb smoking and eating shrooms are a natural way of comforting the organism. I'm not saying just because its pleasurable means its good... heroin isnt good, I havent tried it but I'm not gonna say its not pleasurable.
I'm saying nature has a conscious, it knows things. It knows if you feel relaxed and warm smoking bud, you'll smoke more. Oranges know if theyre sweet, you'll eat them and dispose of the seeds.
It knows if you feel a blissful enlightenment of shrooms, it could drastically change that subjects behavior (Hippies, anybody?) It makes you feel connected to nature, it makes you aware that there is something more than what meets your eye. (Visuals?)


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: godisamushroom]
    #16613773 - 07/29/12 10:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ones that didnt got eaten, ones that did didnt as much. Viola...booms

psilocybin acts as thorns or camouflage or any other adaption.

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Ones that didnt got eaten, ones that did didnt as much. Viola...booms

psilocybin acts as thorns or camouflage or any other adaption.

natural selection




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    #16614572 - 07/30/12 12:58 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It produces these chemicals that some humans have come to rely on and make us want to grow them, thus ensuring their survival. They help us, and we help them. It is a symbiotic relationship


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    #16615512 - 07/30/12 09:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Ones that didnt got eaten, ones that did didnt as much. Viola...booms

psilocybin acts as thorns or camouflage or any other adaption.

natural selection




Natural selection is bogus.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #16615726 - 07/30/12 09:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
Off topic. 

We have a philosophy forum.  Nobody knows why some mushrooms produce things people like and others produce deadly poisons. 

However, mushrooms/fungi are a billion times older than humans(or even mammals for that matter) so to think any of these alkaloids were produced for us is somewhat conceited about our importance in the long-term scheme of things.
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