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OfflineAli
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ID Please??
    #1411451 - 03/26/03 01:27 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

We have been seeing these everywhere and are under the conclusion they may be pan subs or pan foenisecii, sorry I don't have a pic. But they look exactly like this


a. Habitat- an old horse pasture and my apt building grass
b. Characteristics of the gills-brown,attached,
c. Measurements of cap and stem- stem 4-6cms, cap 1-2 cms
d. Characteristics of the stem-lt brown,kinda fury, hollow, thin,
e. Characteristics of the cap-older ones are brown w/ lt brown ring the younger ones are all brown,smooth, spherical, convex
f. Spore print color-black
g. Color that the mushroom briuses- they haven't seemed to bruise
h. Scent of mushroom- not heavy odor, kinda light, not unpleasent

If these are what we think what is an ok dosage. i don't have the balls to eat them but my roommate and BF might.


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Re: ID [Re: Ali]
    #1411656 - 03/26/03 03:08 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

try bruising the bottom of the stem where it attaches to the mycellium. either way if you have a jet black spore print and its got gills it wont hurt you if its not active. maybe someone else can help you more than me. peace

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Re: ID Please?? [Re: Ali]
    #1412287 - 03/26/03 07:22 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

The size description fits one of a Panaeolus foenisecii. They are usually smaller than subbalteatus. But, I'd imagine if it were subbalteatus, growing from grass rather than dung, it would be slightly smaller.

A few questions:
1) How old is this horse pasture?
2) Where the gills dark brown-black, with some whitish edges, or were they more of a light colored brown
3) Spore print was BLACK... Not a brownish-black?
4) Was the stem more of a reddish brown, with very small white fibrils running up?
5) What state or providence do you live in? Whats the temperatures?

If it is indeed a subbalteatus, yes, try brusing the white mycelium near the base of the stalk. Just pinch it a little, and wait about a minute or two. However, not all subbalteatus will bruise a blue. Since the stems are so brown, the blueing reaction is unnoticable.

I have found both subbalteatus and foenisecii, however only seen subbalteatus on dung and compost, while foenisecii have only been found in grass. Subbalteatus should have a very dark black sporeprint... Any brown in it would be reguarded as a foenisecii. Subbalteatus are usually a little bit more meaty and stalkier, while foenisecii are usually a little more fragile.

Please answer those questions above, for a better ID. From what you have said, I would guess that it is indeed a subbalteatus...however you will need at least 10 good size mushrooms to feel any effects. A picture would be nice too.


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Re: ID Please?? [Re: angryshroom]
    #1412568 - 03/26/03 09:15 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

1) How old is this horse pasture? at LEAST 10 years old
2) Where the gills dark brown-black, with some whitish edges, or were they more of a light colored brown--no white, just darkish brown
3) Spore print was BLACK... Not a brownish-black?- black
4) Was the stem more of a reddish brown, with very small white fibrils running up?i think the stem is striated my boyfriend thinks they are LONG fibers running up
5) What state or providence do you live in? Whats the temperatures? we live in northern cali, it rained a couple of days and has been in the high 60's low 70's, then rained again and now is high 60's low 70's

Sorry I don't have a digicam, we tried to gove the best description We could..
Thank You Angryshroomer :smile:

If they are foenisecii they aren't poisonous,,right?


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Re: ID Please?? [Re: Ali]
    #1412608 - 03/26/03 09:30 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Sure look like foenisecii.

THey are not psychoactive. The stem is too thin to be P. subbalteatus.

mj


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Re: ID Please?? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1412789 - 03/26/03 10:44 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

MJ, that picture above is not her's...she was saying that it resembles that picture a lot.


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Re: ID Please?? [Re: angryshroom]
    #1412820 - 03/26/03 11:28 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

lol

but seriously no foenisecii is not poisonous. some report it active but they were mistaken probrobly had subbs. like angry said takes quite a few to acheive effects. i would eat it worst thing that happens is that nothing happens not a bad deal. anyways wait for angry and mj replies first. peace

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Re: ID Please?? [Re: blaze2]
    #1413087 - 03/27/03 04:18 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Yes the stem does look a little to skinny to be a pan subb, But im no expert.


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Re: ID Please?? [Re: Ali]
    #1413252 - 03/27/03 06:07 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

looks like a pan subb o me


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Re: ID Please?? [Re: T0aD]
    #1413291 - 03/27/03 06:27 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

TOaD,
The picture is a bell shaped panaeolina foenisecii.

P. subbs caps are nbot bell shaped. They are somewhat belted with zones though just like the panaeollinas are.

The picture is not the shroomthe person is talking about. OIt was posted becaseu the person thought that it looked similar.

mj

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Re: ID Please?? [Re: Ali]
    #1413537 - 03/27/03 08:17 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Well, I guess to conclude your question, its a little hard. First off, the picture that you said your mushroom looked like "exactly" is a Pan foenisecii...not a subbalteatus.

As MJ has stated, foenisecii will have much more of a bell shaped cap...

Below is a picture I took of subbalteatus growing from a dung/compost heap in the back of horse stables.

Notice a few things about them... The stalks are reddish brown, fading up to a tanish brown, about .5cm thick, there are small white fibrils running up the stalk, the caps are much more umbonate and not bell shaped. There is a defined line on the cap as well.



Here are some less matured specimens


And some VERY matured specimens ... dried out, but a nice picture :wink:



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Re: ID Please?? [Re: angryshroom]
    #1413607 - 03/27/03 08:38 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Thanks you guys. Sorry about the confusion of the picture. :smirk:            I agree with everyone I think they are foenesecci as well.

Those pics of the Pan Subs from Angryshroomer are awesome. Earlier this year I picked 2 little ones. Now I am positive what they were. I saved the pics to my file for future hunts.

Thanks Everyone. 


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