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willywonka45
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will contam cake fruit ?
#14114254 - 03/13/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I started out on WBS went wbs to 100% straw. It is fully colonized and I have been misting and fanning for over 2 weeks with no results. It has a few very small spots that look to be contamed with green mold or something. Will this tub ever fruit ? should I try removing contam section ?
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: Doc_T]
#14114402 - 03/13/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Trade List! Don't use incubators. An incubator is for contamination as brothels are for STDs. Sure you get sex, but is it worth it?
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willywonka45
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: magnumzero]
#14124931 - 03/15/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I cant take pics at the sex sorry. So I cleared out all of the green that I could see. 2 days later PINS!!! I don't think taking out the contam (i think its trich) is what actually caused pinning, but I'd like to think it help since I tore up some substrate haha. I owe Doc_T and Rodger Rabbit special thanks. It is mainly the post from you too that gave me nearly all of the knowledge needed to partake in this !!!!
The Pins are small, but pins none the less. Should I keep misting and fanning. Or JUST fan, or mist but not hit the fruits ??? And will it keep producing or is there literally a small window (beginning of each flush) when pins are produced ? I don't want to mess with it if it will keep pinning. Thanks for the help !
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Dude, toss contams on sight!
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willywonka45
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: Luger0815]
#14125018 - 03/15/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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its not a sanitized room, and its my only tub going im darn luckily I've made it this far. It's not an ongoing thing just a trial run bro. Not to be rude but I asked specific questions I dont need random advice. I no expert but I'm well researched and know if I let this trich get there theres a GOOD chance I will be plagued with trich as long as I used the area ok ? thanks bye.
All of my pins are coming up around the edges. I've counted 6 all coming up from like the side of my sub. Could the contam in the middle but what is causing it to not pin/ pin slower? I'm so excited about these few !!!! thanks.
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Lots of reasons why one part might or might not pin. But if you have the green mold get it outside right away.
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: Doc_T]
#14125145 - 03/15/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok. I was going to bury it with wet straw after I used it up. Bad idea now ? And is there no way I canjust keep pulling out the infested areas. It doesn't look too bad. Although I know it take a microscopic space for millions of spores. Can the Mycellium not combat this at all ? or is that just bacteria ?
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'Tossing contams on site' is really only good advice while you are still on grain.
Figure a 32 gallon rubbermaid takes at least a rye bag, which takes at least an LC. So, by the time the rubbermaid is ready to fruit, you probably have $20-30 and 4-5 months into it, and probably 6-8 hours of labor.
If it gets a green patch, just cut it out, and check on it a couple times a day so you can keep killing the green. Even if you have the worst strain of trich ever, even if you loose a few inches a day and it eventually consumes the whole damn tray, you'll get something for your efforts.
Use a hepa, gloves and alcohol to keep the trich from spreading, and check everything at least a couple times a day. Also, and this might just be my opinion, but H2O2 actually seems to help trich. I'm guessing it's because H2O2 kills the myc as much as the trich, but the trich recovers quicker.
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: tibberous]
#14125246 - 03/15/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tibberous said: 'Tossing contams on site' is really only good advice while you are still on grain.
Figure a 32 gallon rubbermaid takes at least a rye bag, which takes at least an LC. So, by the time the rubbermaid is ready to fruit, you probably have $20-30 and 4-5 months into it, and probably 6-8 hours of labor.
If it gets a green patch, just cut it out, and check on it a couple times a day so you can keep killing the green. Even if you have the worst strain of trich ever, even if you loose a few inches a day and it eventually consumes the whole damn tray, you'll get something for your efforts.
Use a hepa, gloves and alcohol to keep the trich from spreading, and check everything at least a couple times a day. Also, and this might just be my opinion, but H2O2 actually seems to help trich. I'm guessing it's because H2O2 kills the myc as much as the trich, but the trich recovers quicker.
this is really bad advice, if you allow trich to keep sporulating all over the place you will never have a successful grow again..
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: biologys]
#14125351 - 03/15/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: this is really bad advice, if you allow trich to keep sporulating all over the place you will never have a successful grow again..
This is a pretty drastic overstatement, but the fact remains that cultivating trichoderma will make it very difficult in the future, albeit not impossible, to have non-trich-ridden cakes / substrates subsequently. I would at least take a week or so off all ongoing projects to thoroughly scrub every possible thing in the house / apartment down: wash your floors, carpets, walls, ventilation systems (as much as feasibly possible), do laundry for every piece of fabric, etc, etc.
Trich won't make it impossible for you to continue, but it is a snarky, conniving son of a bitch that sticks to you harder than a drunk southern widow. And fruits from a tub with trich are fine to consume, pending the fruits themselves have no other sketchy molds growing on them. On one of Mr. Rabbit's posts concerning the subject (because this gets brought up at least once a week [I am also guilty]), trichoderma isn't even regulated by the FDA, so it's something commerical growers deal with / put up with, and they wouldn't be super successful if a trichoderma outbreak makes your current grow area useless.
/rant over: but Bio is right, although harsh: gains now may be severely negated in the future.
edit: clarity
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: biologys]
#14125368 - 03/15/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tibberous said: this is really bad advice, if you allow trich to keep sporulating all over the place you will never have a successful grow again..
I'm not saying let it run rampant - I'm saying take off what you can see.
There is always going to be bacteria in the air - use a whole room hepa to combat the spores and gloves and alcohol to keep them from spreading through touch. (I'm talking something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-Permanent-True-HEPA-Purifier/dp/B000Q7KWM8 ) Sometimes, you'll pull out a section and it wont come back - other times, it will spread and end up loosing the tray, but you might as well try and let it fruit until the trich really starts kicking ass.
Having a second room to move bad trays too might not be a bad idea, but then you'd need 2, 200$ hepa filters. The one I linked to is damn good - really cycles the air, is made to sit in the middle of the room.
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: tibberous]
#14125377 - 03/15/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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willywonka45
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: Doc_T]
#14126085 - 03/15/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll keep an eye on it. "No sucessful grow ever again" ... LMFAO. I realize it is a bad idea to keep this tub. But it is in a very small area, which I wont probably use for the next grow (if there is one) anyway, I realize I may be drastically raising the spore count of whatever this contam is, but its worth the risk. I have 2 months of work is this so Im really anxious to get these few fruits.
Do I stop misting now that there r pins ? Or continue to fan AND MIST ??? that's the main advice i need at the moment
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trich myc is snow white. how do you know you've cut it all out? i tried cutting out a dime sized patch of trich once. next day, i had a small plate sized patch of green with a lil hole cut in the middle. it had to be tossed. the next one that showed green, i salted it. the flush had already begun. i ended up with 1/2lb dry from that one. moral: salt trich. leave the cutting to the goth kids who want your fruits.
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Gonkulator
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Mist and provide FAE until they are mature. And again, I'm not knocking the sincerity of Bio's warning. It's valid, but of course you're going to have to put in some work to recover from a trich outbreak. Happened to me; wasn't very entertaining. Good luck!
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willywonka45
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: Gonkulator]
#14126577 - 03/15/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well my tub is next to a ventelation system that hasn't been cleaned since the 70's ..... lol. Contams happen. That's just part of using an unsanitized work area. I was thinking of using and extremely isotonic saltwater solution and some type or dropper to try and specifically combat the small spots of green. I guess its a mold. What do u think ?
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tibberous
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Salt eh? Never heard of that.
Did you apply the salt directly or dissolve it in water?
Good thing about digging out the trich is that you can see how far down in the substrate it is - which you can use as an indicator of how bad the tray really is.
It seems like there are really 2 different types of trich - the kind that is just on the surface, that you get from casing, and the kind that have taken hold in the substrate then appear on the surface. The second type you can't do much with, just keep cutting the tray apart and hope something pins before your out of cake.
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Re: will contam cake fruit ? [Re: tibberous]
#14129621 - 03/16/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mix the salt with just enough water to make a 'paste', then apply directly. alternatively, i pour it right on the spot then mist till its wet but not dissolving. but i only do this if the flush has already begun. if trich shows up before it starts fruiting i just toss it.
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