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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: biologys]
#14108974 - 03/12/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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biologys said: the few times i did do cakes, i didn't like the results ( since my first grow was grains spawned to a bulk monotub )
ended up taking them and rez-effecting them to straight verm and got way better results then i ever did with the cakes themself
allthough spawning to a coir/verm or manure does even better..
and nam, have you not seen mycelium colonize some of your verm barrier on cakes? in my lil experience with them i noticed that myc colonized a good portion of my verm barrier all it takes is for it to get a bit moist and myc will colonize it as well.
Interesting: yes i have seen the MYC colonize my verm layer. i guess i just wasn't thinking. but even then the myc is really wispy and thinned out, cant see how one could fruit off of it. but i guess thts not the point lol. im going to look into this (rez effect). my curiosity has been sparked
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mathias
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Verm alone is not enough, but it does have many essential minerals. BRF/rye/what-have-you is used for the carbohydrate compounds we need. These are very rich in carbs, brf especially.
I *suspect* that what happens in rez effect and similar teks is that the original cake still has a good amount of nutrients and carbs left, and the mycelium can grow more than the original volume of the cake. It just needs more room and moisture.
This may account for some of the variation in performance between cakes, and the seeming hit-and-miss nature of using cakes as spawn in one way or another. For example, before I waited for pins and just birthed at 100% +7 days, I had some cakes develop a sticky sheen a day or two after dunking. Many times they'd turn out normal, but a few days later in pinning and all. Usually very fuzzy too, aerial mycelium and so on. About 1/4 of the sticky ones would have cobweb problems, or succumb to dread green after a flush or two. Some would just sulk and turn all blue, even though they're getting the exact same treatment that all the perfect white and pinning cakes are getting. 
If there are simple carbohydrates remaining in the cake, they could dissolved during dunking and leech out to the surface as they slowly dry in the FC. Like a sugar-coating to entice contaminates.
A theory, at least.
I've not seen this since I started the habit of waiting for pins, so it could be some phenomenon that is thwarted by the presence of pinning hormones, or counteracted by pinning and the fibrous growth that precedes it. Perhaps once pinning starts, all these sugars get quickly consumed as opposed to sitting around un-eaten if the myc has not decided it's time yet.
Again,
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: mathias]
#14114069 - 03/13/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks Mathias, that was very helpful. Good point
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mathias
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Bottom line, IME using cakes for spawn or res, getting them right after 100% is crucial. One or two days past 100% and I pull 'em. Keep everything as dark as possible, including the whatever-it-is you're doing. Then be sure to keep the new sub totally dark. Pinning triggers are your enemy at this point.
Hm, for straight rez, maybe 3-4 days after 100%. Not sure.
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