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M11
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Psychedelic culture in graduate schools?
#14112076 - 03/12/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey folks,
I am just curious about what the psychedelic culture amongst graduate students is like; I am particularly interested in science students, but general insight would be much appreciated. Is the psychedelic culture in graduate school strong? How is it similar and different to the general undergraduate culture?
M11
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joemolloy
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Re: Psychedelic culture in graduate schools? [Re: M11]
#14113211 - 03/13/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Generally the more educated people are, the less they regularly do these type of drugs. I don't have any studies or evidence to back that up but I would imagine there are few regular psychedelic users in graduate school, with less in law school and even fewer in medical school. Those that are there, under the radar, probably keep those cards very close to their chest because taking illegal drugs can derail careers and ruin lives.
I also imagine regular use of psychedelics can negatively affect attention span, critical thinking ability, perhaps even motivation just like any other drugs. Yes, I know of those studies out there conducted by the usual suspects where they claim it actually increases mental ability, but I question their veracity. ALL studies on ayahuasca were funded or directed by the aya churches. ALL psychedelic research is done by hardcore psychedelic enthusiasts with PHDs next to their name. Some of those guys are more wacked out than me. I can predict all the results of the study just by looking at the authors. Would you trust tobacco research done by Marlboro?
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Re: Psychedelic culture in graduate schools? [Re: joemolloy]
#14113334 - 03/13/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm a graduate student (scientific computing). I know other people who are in graduate school or who have been in graduate school and are/were into psychedelics.
But I don't think psychedelic culture is strong in Any kind of school. So I don't think your question is very meaningful. Unless you are curious for individual stories.
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Re: Psychedelic culture in graduate schools? [Re: M11]
#14114139 - 03/13/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got my MS in computer engineering last year, so I can tell you about my experience with psychedelics in grad school but it won't be the most up-to-date.
As far as I can tell, none of my classmates took anything heavier than cigarettes and alcohol, which they gleefully consumed, often with excess. With some casual small talk, I gleaned that several students never once smoked pot, so it stands to reason they never took anything stronger either. As for the professors, I have no idea.
For me personally, I found DMT (and rarely ayahuasca) to be a great counterbalance to the rigorous materialism-determinism mindset that comes with an engineering curriculum. The short duration ensured that it in no way affected my studies, either positively or negatively. I found that DMT pushed me in certain directions as far as hobbies and interests go, but did not lead to any groundbreaking scientific epiphanies.
Compared to my experience as an undergrad, more students were open to experiment with psychedelics. I'd estimate a quarter of the students regularly smoked weed and freely admitted it to me.
So in short, at my grad school there was no psychedelic culture, but at least one casual psychedelic user.
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Re: Psychedelic culture in graduate schools? [Re: pazuzu]
#14114217 - 03/13/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm a grad student in physics. I have one other friend in the same program that likes psychedelics and another friend that likes to get high. But for the most part grad students like alcohol and tobacco, like pazuzu said. It is legal and therefore will not fuck with your career goal. It's too bad but that is the way that it is.
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M11
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Re: Psychedelic culture in graduate schools? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14114451 - 03/13/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is basically the impression that I got, but I was just curious if there was a distinct psychedelic counter culture amongst grad students. I would love to find some colleagues to trip with...
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Re: Psychedelic culture in graduate schools? [Re: joemolloy]
#14114532 - 03/13/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Generally the more educated people are, the less they regularly do these type of drugs. I don't have any studies or evidence to back that up but I would imagine there are few regular psychedelic users in graduate school, with less in law school and even fewer in medical school. Those that are there, under the radar, probably keep those cards very close to their chest because taking illegal drugs can derail careers and ruin lives.
Don't know if you have ever actually talked to scientists, lawyers, and doctors to be able to compare- but I can tell you as a general fact that you have your education levels backwards bud, not that levels of psychedelic use is related to education at all anyway. It's more related to what you said after that- that the different groups have a more dangerous setting in which to do drugs. Most scientist have the 'scientific' mindset (at least at some point in their lives) that says "hmm, wonder what this does?"
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joemolloy said: Yes, I know of those studies out there conducted by the usual suspects where they claim it actually increases mental ability, but I question their veracity. ALL studies on ayahuasca were funded or directed by the aya churches. ALL psychedelic research is done by hardcore psychedelic enthusiasts with PHDs next to their name. Some of those guys are more wacked out than me. I can predict all the results of the study just by looking at the authors. Would you trust tobacco research done by Marlboro?
Although this may be true of very certain authors, this is the kind of thinking which keeps scientists from doing actual research on drugs. The serious kind of research that says more scientific statements about drugs are the kind that I would guess that most of the shroomery's population doesn't have access to (either a lack of ability/effort to understand or literally a lack of access/availability). Those studies you refer to are really just wild conjecture- try to pick up a biochem or neurobiology article on it sometime.
To answer the OP, it seems to me that use of psychedelics increases as you go towards abstract and theoretic sciences, and decreases as you get towards engineering, math, and medical realms (I.e. more physicists have done psychedelics than biomedical engineers). Psychedelics, to me, seem more conducive to certain mindsets than to others.
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