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eloC
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What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it?
#14111483 - 03/12/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am just wondering, what your guys' views are.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14111502 - 03/12/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not as good as the real thing unfortunately.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14111555 - 03/12/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahh I've heard that a lot! My mom just recently bought some. Due to the fact their trying to make it illegal. And due to the fact my mom is 55 years old. And Loves her pot and gets it prescribed. She decided to buy some "spice" she called and asked how it was... I'll have to tell her its no good.. Hahahah! I would rather smoke pot than some insense.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14111646 - 03/12/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well it's not super bad. Tell her not to smoke a shit ton at once. Also, they taste like SHIT.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14111647 - 03/12/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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WHAT!? Your mom gets mmj yet she's still buying that shit? Tell her to throw it the fuck out haha!
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Precambrian]
#14111694 - 03/12/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It gets sold on the guise of working on the same receptors in the brain. Bbuuuttt, its metabolites are not talked about enough to make me feel super safe. That being said I have tried, and its def. not as good as the real thing.
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Precambrian said: WHAT!? Your mom gets mmj yet she's still buying that shit? Tell her to throw it the fuck out haha! 
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Treefeeler]
#14111791 - 03/12/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You guys she's old. And out there! She is a pack rat, and she hasn't smoked it. She just bought it cause the clerk talked her into it. She also said it was because she wanted to have it to see what its like. She also wanted to try it. But I told her no it's nasty. She said okay. Why should you not smoke a shit load at once?
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14111813 - 03/12/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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eloC said: Why should you not smoke a shit load at once?
One of the biggest reasons THC is the shit is because overdosing is damn near impossible. The JWH line of synthetic cannabinoids have comparatively little research, and thus overdosing becomes a possibility. The worst I've heard in my area is rapid heart beat, but I'm gonna stick with the real thing for now.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14111814 - 03/12/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jdub powder is fun to mix with herb and hash but those spice alikes are stupid as fuck.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Treefeeler]
#14111840 - 03/12/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahh! Thanks for the information! Let alone for the fact, if I do decide to try it with my mom I should be careful. Especially for the fact I take Adderall. And don't need my heart speeding up anymore. But I do love my marijuana! Wake n Bake! Everyday this spring break!
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14112357 - 03/13/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i smoke fake weed everyday. im on probation so i cant smoke bud. havent came up dirty yet and i know they test for it.
i would much rather smoke some dank than fake weed, but i cant do that at the moment, so i put up with the taste and smoke the fake stuff anyway. its nice but if i smoke a lot i feel like i get a weird headache that day. i cant wait to smoke some jack again mmmmmmm....
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Ajaxx]
#14112548 - 03/13/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hahaha! Sorry that sucks bro! If you don't mind why are you on pro?
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14113078 - 03/13/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i actually rather enjoy the jwh chemicals. ive smoked around 15 grams total of spice blends, and a total of 2 grams of pure jwh-073 sprinkled on top of ash. ive never noticed any adverse reactions or short/long term effects resulting from it, and nothing weird has gone on with me. to me it feels no more harmful than thc. all of the people getting anxiety and stuff from it was due to jwh-018 and the reputation it got. 018 was really the only jwh compound that was a full-channel agonist rather than a partial channel agonist like thc, and it was extremely potent and a lot more active in the brain due to that fact. the other jwh compounds and also the rcs and AM compounds are only partial agonists as far as i know, and dont usually cause as extreme reactions in anxiety prone or drug sensitive people.
About the high, depending on whats in the blend, it usually lasts 1-1.5 hours till im back down completely, some of the better ones lasted 4 hours or so. anyway, i like the high a lot better actually. its a lot more focused, weed just makes me go into a haze for 4 hours and i dont get much accomplished. its just a different sort of high and personally i love it. its functional, it can be strong if you want it to be or subtle if you want it, and i like the legality factor and the ability to conceal it.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
#14113424 - 03/13/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Beware JWH are POWERFUL ! My heart beat is racing goddamn fast !
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14113520 - 03/13/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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jwh POWDER will get you as high or higher than any high grade weed. you have to be careful about dosage, though
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: maynardsdick]
#14113583 - 03/13/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's ridiculous, in a good way. I smoked it every day for this last week. The only thing is that my pipe smells, HORRIBLE. I absolutely have to clean it, every time I smoke out of it now I want to gag. The majority of the Spice/K2 products were banned March 1st. I've been using a brand called Stoneman's 20x extract myself, and it is powerful. At $25 a gram, you get what you pay for. Plus, the government gets a 7% sales tax, so everyone should be happy.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14113645 - 03/13/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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eloC said: Hahaha! Sorry that sucks bro! If you don't mind why are you on pro?
long story involving plants and a small amount of a psychedelic.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Ajaxx]
#14113668 - 03/13/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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THC = Chilled out JWH = Hyperness and cartoon world in high doses
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Cakk]
#14113740 - 03/13/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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similar buzz to mj but more forceful and edgy.
we always called it 'bringin' the darkness' because it can sometimes be a little harrowing and not nearly as a positive happy force as mj can be.
if you go overboard with pure jwh this gets out of control quick ... bigtime hallucination (visual and auditory) and severe motor control problems.
it can be fun in small doses. My state has outlawed the original synthetics like jwh and whatnot but there's new compounds being used. Who knows what's in all that stuff. Hell, there's even a New Ivory Wave bath salt formulated for states that have outlawed it.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: lurkmode]
#14114075 - 03/13/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahhh Cakk, I like your avatar! BASSNECTAR! I was actually recently listening to them. The spice/K2 stuff got banned!!! :o I would just rather smoke some good ole herb, than something I don't know the long term effects are.. And Hoffmann Blotter! I've seen you around a lot lately! I haven't done much research on this JWH stuff. But, that's the main reason my mom won't smoke it. Is because she says its a big time hallucinogen. Which my mom is terrified of psychedelics. I have heard about the bath salt. But, I can't believe this stuff has been in the limelight for 15 minutes, and already its being banned? Do they already know what to test for in these chemicals? High acidic urine? Or what? Hahaha! The states, must really not wanting us to be high. Hahaha. Anyway, sorry for my jumping around I have terrible ADD, And ADHD nowa days the don't diagnose you with ADD its just AD/HD innatenative. FUCK I DID it again!
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14114080 - 03/13/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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its awful, smoke dank instead
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: a2theDawG]
#14114167 - 03/13/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you smoke it too much, you can become addicted to it. An addiction that has real withdrawals that can last anywhere from 4-7 days or longer.
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eloC
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: twiztidthoughts]
#14114337 - 03/13/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, I'm glad someone finally posted on the addictive side effects on this stuff thank you? Even if it's not true. Thank you for bringing up the topic for discussion.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Ajaxx]
#14114403 - 03/13/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ajaxx said: i smoke fake weed everyday. im on probation so i cant smoke bud. havent came up dirty yet and i know they test for it.
i would much rather smoke some dank than fake weed, but i cant do that at the moment, so i put up with the taste and smoke the fake stuff anyway. its nice but if i smoke a lot i feel like i get a weird headache that day. i cant wait to smoke some jack again mmmmmmm....
Similar situ for me so I smoke the fake shit. I get random tests at work though, not probation. I would much rather smoke some real cannabis though.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14114526 - 03/13/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would say it is nice to sprinkle a little bit on top of a regular MJ bowl. As for by itself, I recommend against that due to cumulative psychotic effects in my case. I think if we could find a synth that was an anti-psychotic like CBD the whole line of chemicals would be more appealing to people.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14114541 - 03/13/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A 19 yr. old kid in Springfield, Missouri died from smoking so much of that fake weed shit. Its prolly not good.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: SmokedShroom]
#14114601 - 03/13/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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SmokedShroom said: A 19 yr. old kid in Springfield, Missouri died from smoking so much of that fake weed shit. Its prolly not good.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14114834 - 03/13/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the 19 year old had a panic attack after smoking too much of it and basically freaked out and had a self-induced heart attack. it wasnt the drug's fault.
as far as the addictive properties go, after smoking the pure chemical for a month (was high as fuck from 12am - 8am every single day for a month and a half, went through 2 grams) i ran out, and i didnt have any more of a withdrawl than i would if i ran out of weed. i would get so high i wouldnt be able to feel my legs. a cannabanoid is a cannabanoid is a cannabanoid, theres really no difference except for the difference of how active it was in the brain.
one of my friends smoked a bowl of mid grade weed, freaked out and run outside straddling a tree screaming that she needed to go to the hospital because she just smoked too much and thought something was going wrong with her as an example. the problem with the spice blends is people just smoke too much of it expecting it to be the same strength of weed or weaker and overreact when they get hit with a white widow strength high. theres no actual danger to the chemical itself, just the users that use it. i have done a huge amount of neurological and pharmalogical research on the jwh chemicals, and there is absolutely no evidence that suggests that its any more dangerous than weed, with the exception of jwh-018 mainly because its a full-channel agonist in the brain as i stated rather than a partial-channel like thc and the other jwh compounds. all of the people that had issues with it were smoking blends with jwh-018 in it.
as for the bath salts (mephedrone), yes that stuff really is dangerous. its very addictive, has a dirty high, and causes heart problems
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
#14114877 - 03/13/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's pointless and it's not at all like the real thing. It makes my head feel like it just got smashed into a brick and somewhat paralyzed, not enjoyable at all. I actually just feel stupid on it. Also if people use this as an alternative for weed, I seriously think they have an issue. Half of these people say weed isn't addicting yet they start looking for alternatives the moment they have to pass a drug test? chill the fuck out, pass the test, and resume with pot. Physical or mental if you can't go without pot and start looking for alternatives, you have an issue.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: alexc]
#14114907 - 03/13/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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DON'T SMOKE THIS SHIT! THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH ON IT AND IT IS LEAVES SPRAYED WITH CHEMICALS. JUST SMOKE REAL MARIJUANA, SHOULD BE EASY ENOUGH TO FIND. I ALSO HEAR THAT SPICE IS AROUND THE SAME PRICE AS MARIJUANA. TO ME ITS A NO BRAINER WHICH ONE TO CHOOSE. THIS SHIT IS NOT NATURAL AND THEREFOR POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. WHO KNOWS WHAT THE LONG TERM EFFECTS COULD BE 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. MARIJUANA HAS PROVEN OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF USE TO BE EXTREMELY SAFE, WHY FUCK WITH A GOOD THING. HOPE YALL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION BY NOT SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THIS CHEMICAL SHIT.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: LiquidDripDrops]
#14114949 - 03/13/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If what all these trip reports are saying is true, that its very similar to real weed then I think a combo of jwh 018 and 073 or some jwh-250 would be nice to have. The price seems pretty good for what you get. Like you could spend $100-140 on sythetic stuff to last you a year or you could spend $1000+ on weed in a year. Some of the older better ones have been around for a while it seems like and no one dieing so far.
I would do it at least until I can get a grow setup running of course. I hate buying weed. It waste my money and is just a sad habit that I would get.
RCS-8 sucks btw. Almost completely inactive. Shoulda gotten a more tested one like 018, 073, or 250 but it was onsale.
Also spice seems like a ripoff for people that don't even know about synthetics. You could smoke a bowl from your 40$ 3 grams of spice or vape 5mg of your 40$ pure gram
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: alexc]
#14114991 - 03/13/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AM I THE ONLY ONE WHOS MUSCLES FEEL REALY SORE/ACHEY AFTER SMOKING THIS AWFUL SHIT
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard [Re: a2theDawG]
#14115008 - 03/13/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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a2theDawG said: AM I THE ONLY ONE WHOS MUSCLES FEEL REALY SORE/ACHEY AFTER SMOKING THIS AWFUL SHIT
weird. What kind was it?
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
#14115591 - 03/13/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Amsu Jackal said: the 19 year old had a panic attack after smoking too much of it and basically freaked out and had a self-induced heart attack. it wasnt the drug's fault.
Yeah I figured it was something like that. But this is the first researched based thing, I've done on this stuff. But sounds like to me JWH-018 is the best. But most expensive. Or any sorts of JWH compounds are going to be expensive but most effective. And the stuff being sold as "spice"/K2 is the cheapest, and most dangerous for the fact of being un-researched. I have always had heart problems, and I take ADHD medication. My psychetrist is very nervous about the fact I take stimulants, and I get medical MJ. So I won't be smoking any of this. Hahaha! My mom spent about 10$ and got about 2 grams of K2. Kind of expensive? When I was 16 I could spend 10$ and get 5 grams of Kronik. Hmm.. But thank for all of your responses!
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
#14116193 - 03/13/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spice is a teenager drug if you can get mary Jane then don't waste your time and money on this shit. Seems dangerous to your health
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Love2trip]
#14116669 - 03/13/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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why are all you morons hating on jwh
its a fine drug. its also like 30 times cheaper than weed
also 3/4th of the high is your mindset so if you smoke jwh thinking its gonna be shit, then its gonna be shit because of that mentality.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14116696 - 03/13/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, cannabinoid receptor agonists are good drugs I just don't care for all the spice alike bullshit.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: muistrue]
#14116727 - 03/13/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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spice and jwh are teh same chemicals..
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14116757 - 03/13/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: spice and jwh are teh same chemicals..
Spice is not a chemical it's a brand name for a smoking blend of herbs infused with jdub.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: muistrue]
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i know that. it doesn't make sense to say you like jwh but spice is bullshit because spice is just herbs with jwh on it.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14116855 - 03/13/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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018 is better then real weed in my opinion
offers much more
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
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evenbreak said: i know that. it doesn't make sense to say you like jwh but spice is bullshit because spice is just herbs with jwh on it.
It makes perfect sense. Spice sprays an unknown amount of jdub onto some herbs then jacks the price up to ridiculous levels then sells it in gas stations across the world to little kids who freak out and bring bad press to fun drugs. That's bullshit.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: pfxtc]
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Yeah, like dependence.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: twiztidthoughts]
#14116896 - 03/13/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i smoked it 2-3 times a day for a month
quit
not one craving
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: pfxtc]
#14116924 - 03/13/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I smoke spice like a crack fiend
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: morrowasted]
#14116996 - 03/13/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Illegal now.
I'm not really into the "natural vs. synthetic" debate, but I have met several of the (mostly foreign gas station entrepreneurs with zero chemistry knowledge) that are responsible for creating the "incense" business. Based solely on that knowledge I'm all for real marijuana!
But as for first hand experience, I had a crazy time on spice gold in my friend's uncle's office/warehouse. He collects firetrucks(yes big, red firetrucks) which are stored there, and also has an aversion to paying money to dry wall the warehouse ( meaning there were spikes sticking out of the mental asylum-esque walls which the dry wall would normally have stuck to), all of which contributed to an intense and paranoia filled night. In retrospect, it was HIGHly enjoyable.
Just smoke weed, kids.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: smokintheherb]
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Ahhh just packed a bowl now. Went to the vendor today. Now going to smoke a big fat bong bowl, listen to music, and hit the hook. Then go to bed.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14117040 - 03/13/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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These are research chemical. Anybody that claims they are dangerous has no basis to found this upon. The whole point is they are Research chemicals. How can anybody do research on them if nobody uses them? Natural vs. unnatural is bullshit. Do you drive a car, ride a bike, wear rubber soled shoes? All of these things are built out of man made chemicals. Pot is great, it is okay to like JWH-xx too.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
#14117258 - 03/13/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Amsu Jackal said: About the high, depending on whats in the blend, it usually lasts 1-1.5 hours till im back down completely, some of the better ones lasted 4 hours or so. anyway, i like the high a lot better actually. its a lot more focused, weed just makes me go into a haze for 4 hours and i dont get much accomplished. its just a different sort of high and personally i love it. its functional, it can be strong if you want it to be or subtle if you want it, and i like the legality factor and the ability to conceal it.
I'm just the opposite, I usually smoke after work/working so weed as a relaxer is what I'm going for. In school my circle was all about attaining the best high (having the goal of simply getting stoned as fuck, and laying back with that warm super body high). But now I've grown a taste for the subtle 2 hitter buzz, listening to music and weeding the garden, sometimes its nice to actually get something done! But its sooooooo nice walking into ye olde store and getting my smoke on for much cheaper then decent grade mj; but then again it should all just be legal in the first place... but that's a different story.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Treefeeler]
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physicist said: These are research chemical. Anybody that claims they are dangerous has no basis to found this upon. The whole point is they are Research chemicals. How can anybody do research on them if nobody uses them? Natural vs. unnatural is bullshit. Do you drive a car, ride a bike, wear rubber soled shoes? All of these things are built out of man made chemicals. Pot is great, it is okay to like JWH-xx too.
Yea, but I'm not ingesting my bike, car, or shoes. Ridiculous examples. Not to mention the whole we have to try it to see argument is flawed in and of itself. I.E test it on rats before giving it to the human population. Not to mention that each of these things have a "not for human consumption" tag on it so I don't even think we need to try it to know it's eventually going to cause long term harms. Moreover, you don't need to put your hand on fire to know its going to burn, some things are logically conclusive.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: alexc]
#14119664 - 03/14/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't have a view because I really don't see the point in smoking them. I don't ever see myself trying them either. I don't really care what other people do though and I don't think they should be made illegal. I just think it's funny how kids smoke it because they can't get real cannabis or they are scared of the law. Every week I see in the paper another dumb kid going to the hospital over using them.
To each their own.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
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physicist said: These are research chemical. Anybody that claims they are dangerous has no basis to found this upon. The whole point is they are Research chemicals. How can anybody do research on them if nobody uses them? Natural vs. unnatural is bullshit. Do you drive a car, ride a bike, wear rubber soled shoes? All of these things are built out of man made chemicals. Pot is great, it is okay to like JWH-xx too.
Yea, but I'm not ingesting my bike, car, or shoes. Ridiculous examples. Not to mention the whole we have to try it to see argument is flawed in and of itself. I.E test it on rats before giving it to the human population. Not to mention that each of these things have a "not for human consumption" tag on it so I don't even think we need to try it to know it's eventually going to cause long term harms. Moreover, you don't need to put your hand on fire to know its going to burn, some things are logically conclusive.
lol it says not for human consumption because its a legal loophole to let them sell that shit. obviously its actually for human consumption.
also tons of ppl have smoked a lot of synthetics daily and so far, there's been nothing that wouldn't also be caused by heavy daily weed smoking. we just don't know for sure what's gonna happen after a couple decades of heavy use, but i think we can safely assume that cigarettes and alcohol are more damaging than jwh..
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
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Yea, but I'm not ingesting my bike, car, or shoes. Ridiculous examples. Not to mention the whole we have to try it to see argument is flawed in and of itself. I.E test it on rats before giving it to the human population. Not to mention that each of these things have a "not for human consumption" tag on it so I don't even think we need to try it to know it's eventually going to cause long term harms. Moreover, you don't need to put your hand on fire to know its going to burn, some things are logically conclusive.
lol it says not for human consumption because its a legal loophole to let them sell that shit. obviously its actually for human consumption.
also tons of ppl have smoked a lot of synthetics daily and so far, there's been nothing that wouldn't also be caused by heavy daily weed smoking. we just don't know for sure what's gonna happen after a couple decades of heavy use, but i think we can safely assume that cigarettes and alcohol are more damaging than jwh..
There is a story every other day of some kid going to the hospital as a result of this or even dying, I would say that is clearly something not seen with weed. There is already a difference. Moreover, spice hasn't been around as long as weed and hasn't had no where near as much research put into it or as much consumption. We are already seeing short term consequences and we still have to wait in order to see the long term. Also even if cigarettes and alcohol are more damaging, that isn't a good reason to legalize jwh. Thats like saying someone who killed one person isn't as bad as someone who killed two. Both are bad and if anything it perhaps proves that cigs and alc should be illegal alongside jwh.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
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short term consequences are from overdosing from it.. and unless you REALLY overdose on it, the effects are not life threatening, just very unpleasant.
i mean are we gonna make tylenol illegal too because it's dangerous in high doses? cmon.
if anything this is more reason to make jwh legal so everyone will be better informed on how it works and how to ingest it safely..
fuck, saying jwh should be illegal makes you the same type of people who wants pot to stay illegal.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
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i mean are we gonna make tylenol illegal too because it's dangerous in high doses? cmon.
if anything this is more reason to make jwh legal so everyone will be better informed on how it works and how to ingest it safely..
fuck, saying jwh should be illegal makes you the same type of people who wants pot to stay illegal.
Dude, tylenol and marijuana have proven medical benefits aside from other benefits (hemp can reduce deforestation, etc) Spice is only there as a mechanism for dumb teens to get high. Not to mention individuals are more incentivized to consume larger doses to risk o.ding because they view it like pot. smoke more, get higher. People don't approach tylenol with the same mentality as spice. This is just beginning to get ridiculous. And I've smoked a mere blunt of that shit and felt like my face got semi paralyzed, not pleasant at all and I doubt thats anywhere to an "overdose" level.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
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anyone that takes marijuana medically for things like depression or chronic pain will have similar results from jwh.. they affect the same receptors in the brain after all.
youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
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evenbreak said: anyone that takes marijuana medically for things like depression or chronic pain will have similar results from jwh.. they affect the same receptors in the brain after all.
youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
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youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Its people like you that that ruin our freedom in the US.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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evenbreak said: anyone that takes marijuana medically for things like depression or chronic pain will have similar results from jwh.. they affect the same receptors in the brain after all.
youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Its people like you that that ruin our freedom in the US.
Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
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because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.
Good idea, lets make it illegal before there is any definitive argument for it.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.
Good idea, lets make it illegal before there is any definitive argument for it.
1- I never said I would want it made illegal, rather I said what would happen if it was made illegal. Learn how to read before you make ignorant assertions. Perhaps lay off the shrooms for a bit.
2- The reasons have already been provided by the constant concessions IN THIS FORUM of people ignorantly using it and as a result experiencing negative health consequences. Hey maybe this isn't a good reason, but it's a reason nonetheless.
Have a good night man and next time you choose to respond to someone's post at least do so substantively and not like a retard. You just give spice users a bad name.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
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you mind telling me why dealers wouldnt sell spice when its *literally* 10 times cheaper than weed? they'll just sell jwh laced herbs and say its weed once they start catching on to how profitable it can be and the kids that are stupid enough to get hospitalized from jwh won't know any better.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
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Dude that has already happened in my town and no one has fallen for it, not to mention once both things become illegal pot will have the greater demand like it has always. The majority does not know the specifics to spice unlike users on this forum. The majority of people view it as fake weed and no true gang-banger is going to start pushing that shit. Coming from someone who has pushed and has thought of scamming people myself with that shit. It's just not going to happen. Ask any dealer if they'd ever replace their weed dealing with spice and they'd all laugh in your face. Not to mention it doesn't even remotely smell like weed, people would catch on. Moreover, the price would not be so cheap once it's illegal. Let's take some common business knowledge. Legality= more production= more readily available = price drop. Illegality reverses this entire concept.
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well, i love the JWH series of chems. sure, they dont taste as amazing as real cannabis, and dont last as long, but they strong and have an amazing high once you get used to it. its way rougher when you smoke it for the 1st few times, it really mellows out over time. i smoke maybe .2g of 40mg/g jwh-018 blend a day, its layed onto real cannabis leaves so i still taste good. no noticable side affects that arent noticed with pot. if anything, my lungs feel a lot better smoking strong JWH blends compared to cannabis/ i also love how cheap the stuff is compared too cannabis. whenever i am not smoking my homegrown stash, between grows, i smoke JWH. i only buy pot when i have a lot of $, which isnt very offten. cannabis is waay overpriced for how little it costs to make, & i know since i;ve grown a few times. its rediculous. ÂŁ10 a fucking gram from amsterdamn. same price for the street shit since they sell 1.9g '1/8ths' for ÂŁ20 
the short duration is preferable in some circumstances as well. and eating it provides a very nice, long high. although i did notice slight withdrawal (nothing severe, i;ve been through xanax/other benzo & poppy pod w/d's, nothing compared to those) but still, it was slightly more than regular pot. nothing that i couldnt deal with pretty easily though. i recently ordered 3g -081, cant wait for that to arrive  i like the high better than real cannabis exept for sleep. heavy indica strains i smoke at night to helo me sleep, JWH does a weird thing to my eyes when i smoke lots over a night. like a white ring under your eyelids when you move your head. its probably dehydration since i can stop that by not drinking alcohol & drinking lots of water. eyedrops always help too. goes wonderfully with opiates, and benzo's. morphine + jwh rool:
smoking too much is easy for begginers, and isnt very nice, but as long as your sensible with your dosing it is great fun. 2mgs gets be vere stoned still after months of smokin' it. sorry if im rambling, if been drinking and smoking opium & jwh all night (its 3:30am here)
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: Tcm19277]
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jwh doesn't smell.. and jwh can be laced to any herb. that includes weed itself. how easy would it be to lace some shitty low quality weed with jwh and claim that its super potent and sell it for a much higher price..
anyway jwh can never be illegal. if they ban one, another 10 will take its place. which is what just happened this month
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
#14122230 - 03/14/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: jwh doesn't smell.. and jwh can be laced to any herb. that includes weed itself. how easy would it be to lace some shitty low quality weed with jwh and claim that its super potent and sell it for a much higher price..
You're just making a giant slippery slope argument now. Aside from the fact that you've ignored half the points I bring up as to why your initial claim is nonsensical in my previous post.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
#14122482 - 03/14/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: jwh doesn't smell.. and jwh can be laced to any herb. that includes weed itself. how easy would it be to lace some shitty low quality weed with jwh and claim that its super potent and sell it for a much higher price..
You're just making a giant slippery slope argument now. Aside from the fact that you've ignored half the points I bring up as to why your initial claim is nonsensical in my previous post.
whatever this is pretty pointless to argue about anyway since jwh can never be made illegal. it's a designer drug, if you take down one then another ten will take its place. that's what happened just this month.
all i wanted to say initially is all this hate for jwh on this forum is really silly. take it correctly at the proper dosage with the proper mindset and you might like just as much as pot if not more
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14122494 - 03/14/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
#14122560 - 03/14/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.
Good idea, lets make it illegal before there is any definitive argument for it.
1- I never said I would want it made illegal, rather I said what would happen if it was made illegal. Learn how to read before you make ignorant assertions. Perhaps lay off the shrooms for a bit.
2- The reasons have already been provided by the constant concessions IN THIS FORUM of people ignorantly using it and as a result experiencing negative health consequences. Hey maybe this isn't a good reason, but it's a reason nonetheless.
Have a good night man and next time you choose to respond to someone's post at least do so substantively and not like a retard. You just give spice users a bad name.
Hey fuckface,
THC is a chemical, JWH-xx are chemicals. You know what else, arsenic, and Uranium-238 are also naturally occurring chemicals. If you eat any food, which I suspect you do, then you are likely consuming FDA approved chemicals that really have unknown consequences. Because we all like our food to have a long shelf life. Anyway, you, nor I know shit about the effects of JWH so get off you goddamn high horse and quit talking shit about what you don't know.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14122655 - 03/14/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How about you get off your damn high horse you stupid asshole and realize the thread question, if you don't like my response or my views on the subject ignore. Otherwise, you can go fuck yourself. I never claimed I knew shit, you made a dumb response and got bitched out and now you can't handle it. Get a fucking life you meaningless turd. I was posting my views on a subject, you are entitled to yours. I don't go around calling you out and I expect the same respect in return. So fuck off especially when I'm responding to the thread question. Learn how to take on a substantive debate about the issues at hand without bashing on others to get over your own insecurities on the internet. Fucking idiot lashing out at someone for responding to a thread and then claiming I restrict freedom... ahah stupid hypocrite limiting discourse by putting others down with meaningless posts. fucking tool.
as for evenbreak, perhaps I'd have a different opinion, I don't really care enough to try it again, but if it works for you thats all that should matter. To each his own, at least you aren't being a dick with your answers.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: eloC]
#14122745 - 03/14/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally, I just don't see its real essence. The price of a gram of spice, or whatever trademark name it has nowadays, is near the price of a gram of genuine cannabis around here. You might as well get the real deal. Only in desperate situations I could understand someone purchasing that stuff, but then again there's a myriad of other substances out there which one could consume as an alternative to synthetic marijuana. I'd give the analogy of buying bootleg DVD's imported from the Far East, except you're getting gypped because the price of the bootleg is the same as the authentic DVD. It's whatever to me; I feel indifferent towards the widespread usage of the synthetic marijuana. Just be aware of all the possible side effects and smoke all the potpourri sprayed w/ synthetic cannabinoids you want.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: easyrider]
#14123056 - 03/15/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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easyrider said: Personally, I just don't see its real essence. The price of a gram of spice, or whatever trademark name it has nowadays, is near the price of a gram of genuine cannabis around here. You might as well get the real deal. Only in desperate situations I could understand someone purchasing that stuff, but then again there's a myriad of other substances out there which one could consume as an alternative to synthetic marijuana. I'd give the analogy of buying bootleg DVD's imported from the Far East, except you're getting gypped because the price of the bootleg is the same as the authentic DVD. It's whatever to me; I feel indifferent towards the widespread usage of the synthetic marijuana. Just be aware of all the possible side effects and smoke all the potpourri sprayed w/ synthetic cannabinoids you want.
powdered jwh is 15-20 usd a gram. it's active at 2mg-10mg depending on tolerance so yea, definitely way cheaper than weed.
i think it's best to look at jwh as another type of drug rather than just a marijuana replacement.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
#14123315 - 03/15/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wanna see you try and grow your own jwh whatthefuck ever its suppose to be..
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
#14123389 - 03/15/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where do you find isolated jwh powder? Most gas stations and smoke shops just sell incense with the jwh sprayed onto it.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: easyrider]
#14123398 - 03/15/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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an hour on google at most
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This is my knowledge, experience, and opinion [Re: evenbreak]
#14123572 - 03/15/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I first found out about actual spice from a headshop that just opened up in my town. I was in there browsing around and asked the clerks about it. In my own personal experience, i've tried Spice Diamond(1st choice), Blaze(looked like hay haha ), something along the lines called NOLA Gold, Serenity Now.. that had a shakespeare quote on the back and some "marshmallow fluff" which by far was the cheapest for .25@35$(2nd best).
I researched what I could but couldn't find out exactly what JWH was in each individual one. I just knew that it was a sythn cannabinoid. I never tried to go overboard with it as I've always been a moderate user of real mj. I did, however, get very sick one time but I'm not sure if it was the herbal or just bad food(for reference we smoked out of a ). I've gotten sick to my stomach once before on mj so I'm not 100% sure. Granted the other guys got sick too but was the only time. We smoked the same batch again and no problems.
I personally get the same feeling from mj as I do smoking herbal. Its been a very long time but as far as the side affects I do notice an increase in heart rate and I get warmer like I've been at a rave(but just to be clear: its not like sweating balls haha). I get happy and talk more about random shit like any time i'm inebriated regardless of the substance. It also gives a bit of that familiar dry mouth( funny story about a guy who tried this for first time any cannabinoid was the quote "I'm thirsy." after smoking it.) It doesn't last very long for the brands I've had. Usually hits around 15 mins, lasts good for the next 45-1 hour. Effects completely fade away after 2ish hrs.
So basically it makes me warmer, slight heart rate increase, increased mood, and talkative. I smoke this randomly from time to time. Could be a week or two inbetween, a few days or few times in a night. I use it as a mood enhancer. I would smoke the real but honestly its mostly trying to stay clean because I more than a 95% chance i'm going to take a hair test. Granted who knows if they'll test for the JWH compounds now. Once I don't have to worry, back to the real.
So basically tell your mom she isn't missing out on anything if she doesn't smoke it. If she wants to give it a try, its not going to harm her as long as she keeps it in moderation and doesn't try to smoke a whole gram in one hit haha. Mj > herbal any day unless for whatever reason...etc. The only blend that wasn't nice was Blaze. The Marshmallow fluff, however, doesn't have a taste.
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Re: This is my knowledge, experience, and opinion [Re: runningfox2002]
#14125715 - 03/15/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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runningfox2002 said: I first found out about actual spice from a headshop that just opened up in my town. I was in there browsing around and asked the clerks about it. In my own personal experience, i've tried Spice Diamond(1st choice), Blaze(looked like hay haha ), something along the lines called NOLA Gold, Serenity Now.. that had a shakespeare quote on the back and some "marshmallow fluff" which by far was the cheapest for .25@35$(2nd best).
I researched what I could but couldn't find out exactly what JWH was in each individual one. I just knew that it was a sythn cannabinoid. I never tried to go overboard with it as I've always been a moderate user of real mj. I did, however, get very sick one time but I'm not sure if it was the herbal or just bad food(for reference we smoked out of a ). I've gotten sick to my stomach once before on mj so I'm not 100% sure. Granted the other guys got sick too but was the only time. We smoked the same batch again and no problems.
I personally get the same feeling from mj as I do smoking herbal. Its been a very long time but as far as the side affects I do notice an increase in heart rate and I get warmer like I've been at a rave(but just to be clear: its not like sweating balls haha). I get happy and talk more about random shit like any time i'm inebriated regardless of the substance. It also gives a bit of that familiar dry mouth( funny story about a guy who tried this for first time any cannabinoid was the quote "I'm thirsy." after smoking it.) It doesn't last very long for the brands I've had. Usually hits around 15 mins, lasts good for the next 45-1 hour. Effects completely fade away after 2ish hrs.
So basically it makes me warmer, slight heart rate increase, increased mood, and talkative. I smoke this randomly from time to time. Could be a week or two inbetween, a few days or few times in a night. I use it as a mood enhancer. I would smoke the real but honestly its mostly trying to stay clean because I more than a 95% chance i'm going to take a hair test. Granted who knows if they'll test for the JWH compounds now. Once I don't have to worry, back to the real.
So basically tell your mom she isn't missing out on anything if she doesn't smoke it. If she wants to give it a try, its not going to harm her as long as she keeps it in moderation and doesn't try to smoke a whole gram in one hit haha. Mj > herbal any day unless for whatever reason...etc. The only blend that wasn't nice was Blaze. The Marshmallow fluff, however, doesn't have a taste.
The old spice gold had cannabicyclohexanol, in addition to the jwh compounds. I postulate that said chemical is what made the old spice blends last longer than the more recent blends, as it was the only chemical with an effective analog ban, and after the first bans, the length of highs from the blends dropped dramatically. I remember being fucked up for 7 hours the first time I tried spice gold.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: demon6fire]
#14130632 - 03/16/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My bonfire turned into the devils fire and I almost puked.
No thank you, I'll stick to pot. And when I can't smoke it anymore imma quit.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: SheTripper]
#14260535 - 04/08/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive been smoking spice about 6-8 times a day nonstop for the past year. I replaced weed with it and do not regret it at all. As long as you dont overdose it is very similar to weed.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: ThePheonix]
#14295788 - 04/15/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ThePheonix said: Ive been smoking spice about 6-8 times a day nonstop for the past year. I replaced weed with it and do not regret it at all. As long as you dont overdose it is very similar to weed.
Hey I have a question about your signature, is that your Pit-Bull in the far right picture? If so How big has he/she gotten? I've had mine for about 5 months. I got her when she was 3. So she's 8 months now. I was wondering, has it gotten any bigger? Because it seems my pit seems like she isn't getting any bigger. Or it could be that she's with me all the time. She really is a great loyal dog! And I hope she might get a little bit bigger. She looks exactly like the one in your picture. Stripes, same face, same color. Any replies would be great! They really are great dogs, only if you treat them correctly, and show them love, just like any other dog breed.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: eloC]
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ThePheonix said: Ive been smoking spice about 6-8 times a day nonstop for the past year. I replaced weed with it and do not regret it at all. As long as you dont overdose it is very similar to weed.
Hey I have a question about your signature, is that your Pit-Bull in the far right picture? If so How big has he/she gotten? I've had mine for about 5 months. I got her when she was 3. So she's 8 months now. I was wondering, has it gotten any bigger? Because it seems my pit seems like she isn't getting any bigger. Or it could be that she's with me all the time. She really is a great loyal dog! And I hope she might get a little bit bigger. She looks exactly like the one in your picture. Stripes, same face, same color. Any replies would be great! They really are great dogs, only if you treat them correctly, and show them love, just like any other dog breed.
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