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pfxtc
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14116855 - 03/13/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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018 is better then real weed in my opinion
offers much more
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14116871 - 03/13/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: i know that. it doesn't make sense to say you like jwh but spice is bullshit because spice is just herbs with jwh on it.
It makes perfect sense. Spice sprays an unknown amount of jdub onto some herbs then jacks the price up to ridiculous levels then sells it in gas stations across the world to little kids who freak out and bring bad press to fun drugs. That's bullshit.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: pfxtc]
#14116889 - 03/13/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: 018 is better then real weed in my opinion
offers much more 
Yeah, like dependence.
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pfxtc
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: twiztidthoughts]
#14116896 - 03/13/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i smoked it 2-3 times a day for a month
quit
not one craving
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: pfxtc]
#14116924 - 03/13/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I smoke spice like a crack fiend
seriously
15+ bowls a day, every day
like clockwork
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smokintheherb
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: morrowasted]
#14116996 - 03/13/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Illegal now.
I'm not really into the "natural vs. synthetic" debate, but I have met several of the (mostly foreign gas station entrepreneurs with zero chemistry knowledge) that are responsible for creating the "incense" business. Based solely on that knowledge I'm all for real marijuana!
But as for first hand experience, I had a crazy time on spice gold in my friend's uncle's office/warehouse. He collects firetrucks(yes big, red firetrucks) which are stored there, and also has an aversion to paying money to dry wall the warehouse ( meaning there were spikes sticking out of the mental asylum-esque walls which the dry wall would normally have stuck to), all of which contributed to an intense and paranoia filled night. In retrospect, it was HIGHly enjoyable.
Just smoke weed, kids.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: smokintheherb]
#14117035 - 03/13/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahhh just packed a bowl now. Went to the vendor today. Now going to smoke a big fat bong bowl, listen to music, and hit the hook. Then go to bed.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
#14117040 - 03/13/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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These are research chemical. Anybody that claims they are dangerous has no basis to found this upon. The whole point is they are Research chemicals. How can anybody do research on them if nobody uses them? Natural vs. unnatural is bullshit. Do you drive a car, ride a bike, wear rubber soled shoes? All of these things are built out of man made chemicals. Pot is great, it is okay to like JWH-xx too.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Amsu Jackal]
#14117258 - 03/13/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Amsu Jackal said: About the high, depending on whats in the blend, it usually lasts 1-1.5 hours till im back down completely, some of the better ones lasted 4 hours or so. anyway, i like the high a lot better actually. its a lot more focused, weed just makes me go into a haze for 4 hours and i dont get much accomplished. its just a different sort of high and personally i love it. its functional, it can be strong if you want it to be or subtle if you want it, and i like the legality factor and the ability to conceal it.
I'm just the opposite, I usually smoke after work/working so weed as a relaxer is what I'm going for. In school my circle was all about attaining the best high (having the goal of simply getting stoned as fuck, and laying back with that warm super body high). But now I've grown a taste for the subtle 2 hitter buzz, listening to music and weeding the garden, sometimes its nice to actually get something done! But its sooooooo nice walking into ye olde store and getting my smoke on for much cheaper then decent grade mj; but then again it should all just be legal in the first place... but that's a different story.
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alexc
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: Treefeeler]
#14118756 - 03/14/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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physicist said: These are research chemical. Anybody that claims they are dangerous has no basis to found this upon. The whole point is they are Research chemicals. How can anybody do research on them if nobody uses them? Natural vs. unnatural is bullshit. Do you drive a car, ride a bike, wear rubber soled shoes? All of these things are built out of man made chemicals. Pot is great, it is okay to like JWH-xx too.
Yea, but I'm not ingesting my bike, car, or shoes. Ridiculous examples. Not to mention the whole we have to try it to see argument is flawed in and of itself. I.E test it on rats before giving it to the human population. Not to mention that each of these things have a "not for human consumption" tag on it so I don't even think we need to try it to know it's eventually going to cause long term harms. Moreover, you don't need to put your hand on fire to know its going to burn, some things are logically conclusive.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: alexc]
#14119664 - 03/14/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't have a view because I really don't see the point in smoking them. I don't ever see myself trying them either. I don't really care what other people do though and I don't think they should be made illegal. I just think it's funny how kids smoke it because they can't get real cannabis or they are scared of the law. Every week I see in the paper another dumb kid going to the hospital over using them.
To each their own.
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evenbreak
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
#14120526 - 03/14/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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physicist said: These are research chemical. Anybody that claims they are dangerous has no basis to found this upon. The whole point is they are Research chemicals. How can anybody do research on them if nobody uses them? Natural vs. unnatural is bullshit. Do you drive a car, ride a bike, wear rubber soled shoes? All of these things are built out of man made chemicals. Pot is great, it is okay to like JWH-xx too.
Yea, but I'm not ingesting my bike, car, or shoes. Ridiculous examples. Not to mention the whole we have to try it to see argument is flawed in and of itself. I.E test it on rats before giving it to the human population. Not to mention that each of these things have a "not for human consumption" tag on it so I don't even think we need to try it to know it's eventually going to cause long term harms. Moreover, you don't need to put your hand on fire to know its going to burn, some things are logically conclusive.
lol it says not for human consumption because its a legal loophole to let them sell that shit. obviously its actually for human consumption.
also tons of ppl have smoked a lot of synthetics daily and so far, there's been nothing that wouldn't also be caused by heavy daily weed smoking. we just don't know for sure what's gonna happen after a couple decades of heavy use, but i think we can safely assume that cigarettes and alcohol are more damaging than jwh..
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
#14120552 - 03/14/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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physicist said: These are research chemical. Anybody that claims they are dangerous has no basis to found this upon. The whole point is they are Research chemicals. How can anybody do research on them if nobody uses them? Natural vs. unnatural is bullshit. Do you drive a car, ride a bike, wear rubber soled shoes? All of these things are built out of man made chemicals. Pot is great, it is okay to like JWH-xx too.
Yea, but I'm not ingesting my bike, car, or shoes. Ridiculous examples. Not to mention the whole we have to try it to see argument is flawed in and of itself. I.E test it on rats before giving it to the human population. Not to mention that each of these things have a "not for human consumption" tag on it so I don't even think we need to try it to know it's eventually going to cause long term harms. Moreover, you don't need to put your hand on fire to know its going to burn, some things are logically conclusive.
lol it says not for human consumption because its a legal loophole to let them sell that shit. obviously its actually for human consumption.
also tons of ppl have smoked a lot of synthetics daily and so far, there's been nothing that wouldn't also be caused by heavy daily weed smoking. we just don't know for sure what's gonna happen after a couple decades of heavy use, but i think we can safely assume that cigarettes and alcohol are more damaging than jwh..
There is a story every other day of some kid going to the hospital as a result of this or even dying, I would say that is clearly something not seen with weed. There is already a difference. Moreover, spice hasn't been around as long as weed and hasn't had no where near as much research put into it or as much consumption. We are already seeing short term consequences and we still have to wait in order to see the long term. Also even if cigarettes and alcohol are more damaging, that isn't a good reason to legalize jwh. Thats like saying someone who killed one person isn't as bad as someone who killed two. Both are bad and if anything it perhaps proves that cigs and alc should be illegal alongside jwh.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
#14120723 - 03/14/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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short term consequences are from overdosing from it.. and unless you REALLY overdose on it, the effects are not life threatening, just very unpleasant.
i mean are we gonna make tylenol illegal too because it's dangerous in high doses? cmon.
if anything this is more reason to make jwh legal so everyone will be better informed on how it works and how to ingest it safely..
fuck, saying jwh should be illegal makes you the same type of people who wants pot to stay illegal.
-------------------- It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.
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alexc
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
#14120798 - 03/14/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: short term consequences are from overdosing from it.. and unless you REALLY overdose on it, the effects are not life threatening, just very unpleasant.
i mean are we gonna make tylenol illegal too because it's dangerous in high doses? cmon.
if anything this is more reason to make jwh legal so everyone will be better informed on how it works and how to ingest it safely..
fuck, saying jwh should be illegal makes you the same type of people who wants pot to stay illegal.
Dude, tylenol and marijuana have proven medical benefits aside from other benefits (hemp can reduce deforestation, etc) Spice is only there as a mechanism for dumb teens to get high. Not to mention individuals are more incentivized to consume larger doses to risk o.ding because they view it like pot. smoke more, get higher. People don't approach tylenol with the same mentality as spice. This is just beginning to get ridiculous. And I've smoked a mere blunt of that shit and felt like my face got semi paralyzed, not pleasant at all and I doubt thats anywhere to an "overdose" level.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
#14121651 - 03/14/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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anyone that takes marijuana medically for things like depression or chronic pain will have similar results from jwh.. they affect the same receptors in the brain after all.
youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
#14121784 - 03/14/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: anyone that takes marijuana medically for things like depression or chronic pain will have similar results from jwh.. they affect the same receptors in the brain after all.
youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
#14121874 - 03/14/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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alexc said:
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evenbreak said: anyone that takes marijuana medically for things like depression or chronic pain will have similar results from jwh.. they affect the same receptors in the brain after all.
youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Its people like you that that ruin our freedom in the US.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14121939 - 03/14/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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alexc said:
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evenbreak said: anyone that takes marijuana medically for things like depression or chronic pain will have similar results from jwh.. they affect the same receptors in the brain after all.
youre basically saying the main reason why spice is dangerous is because people are stupid and ignorant towards it. how will making it illegal help that?
and btw i personally never did spice but i've done jwh and jwh blends. you only need 2mg of powdered jwh to get high so depending on how much powder was infused into the herbs, a blunt could've been way too much.
because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Its people like you that that ruin our freedom in the US.
Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.
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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
#14121995 - 03/14/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.
Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.
Good idea, lets make it illegal before there is any definitive argument for it.
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