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The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges
    #14111444 - 03/12/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1. Sweat from a lodge is no different than sweat from hard physical activity. No toxins or impurities are released; mostly water, some urea and salt. Pores are not cleansed any more than any other form of bathing.

2. If you believe you are having a 'spiritual experience' you are in the danger zone. Visions from prolonged exposure to extreme heat means that the brain is overheating - nothing more.

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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #14111496 - 03/12/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

But, but... the extreme heat could bake the negativity right outta the brain.

You know negativity has a lower boiling point don't you?:levitate:


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: Rahz]
    #14112587 - 03/13/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i saw heyzeus and your nay sayin aint changin nuthin, BRO


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14114014 - 03/13/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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1. Sweat from a lodge is no different than sweat from hard physical activity. No toxins or impurities are released; mostly water, some urea and salt. Pores are not cleansed any more than any other form of bathing.

2. If you believe you are having a 'spiritual experience' you are in the danger zone. Visions from prolonged exposure to extreme heat means that the brain is overheating - nothing more.

:sorry:





Sweat from a lodge is no different than sweat from hard physical activity

Please substantiate, as this says different, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3224454

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The same body weight loss was induced by running exercise. Both sodium and chloride concentrations were much lower in the sweat induced by thermal exposure than that induced by the running exercise (p less than 0.01), while urea nitrogen and creatinine concentrations were significantly higher after thermal exposure than after the running exercise (p less than 0.01)




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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: falcon]
    #14114213 - 03/13/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You and your article are correct about compositions, but my point was the oft-quoted 'getting rid of toxins' is nowhere to be found.

And the idea that excessive heat = inner knowledge or spiritual awakening is even more ludicrous - even if done in a teepee with a shaman and sage grass and rattles and stuff.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14114312 - 03/13/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Creatinine is a toxin.

found the paper unabridged, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/clc.4960111010/pdf


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: falcon]
    #14115371 - 03/13/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This from the Grandpater of the Onion is relevent,
Fever therapy

also this,

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8917,


The practice of inducing a fever to treat illness has been used in Western medicine.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: falcon]
    #14115455 - 03/13/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Creatinine is a toxin.




Once again, yes your body excretes toxins via sweat and urine, but the health claim that saunas and sweat lodges help you excrete long-held toxins not rid of during normal body processes is not true.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14115610 - 03/13/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

3. Once you start to sweat blood, your session is complete. :boobs:


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14115662 - 03/13/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Creatinine is a toxin.




Once again, yes your body excretes toxins via sweat and urine, but the health claim that saunas and sweat lodges help you excrete long-held toxins not rid of during normal body processes is not true.





Yes, but the induction of fevers has been used to kill bacteria in the body, bacteria that secrete toxins. So there may be some truth to the statement that Sweat Lodges are good for the elimination of toxins from the body.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: falcon]
    #14115672 - 03/13/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A healthy body handles bacteria just fine. An unhealthy body produces a fever on its own. Simple, right?

BTW, bacteria do not block spiritual experiences.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14115701 - 03/13/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I believe that a sweat lodge can induce a spiritual experience.  I prefer psychedelic drugs, but many cultures push their level of tolerating fasting and exposure to come closer to their spirituality or prove to a higher power what they are willing to do to please them.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14115718 - 03/13/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A healthy body handles bacteria just fine. An unhealthy body produces a fever on its own. Simple, right?

BTW, bacteria do not block spiritual experiences.




They don't employ fever therepy for healthy people.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14115792 - 03/13/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I believe that a sweat lodge can induce a spiritual experience.  I prefer psychedelic drugs, but many cultures push their level of tolerating fasting and exposure to come closer to their spirituality or prove to a higher power what they are willing to do to please them.




I haven't done the sweat lodge thing, but I have had sickness caused fevers that were  psychedelic.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: falcon]
    #14115843 - 03/13/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Temporary brain damage is very spiritual. :braindamage:


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14115853 - 03/13/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:winning:


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14115886 - 03/13/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I said 'temporary', dammit!

I was in a 10k foot race years ago in high temp and humidity where a seasoned runner got heat stroke. He didn't even know his own name. Can't go much higher than that unless you die.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14115899 - 03/13/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I said 'temporary', dammit!


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14116130 - 03/13/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Temporary brain damage is very spiritual. :braindamage:




Brain Damage is permanent dude... not sure what you're talking about.


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Re: The Real Truth about Sweat Lodges [Re: durantz]
    #14119413 - 03/14/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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