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Mr. Fox
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Colonizing Jars
#14109639 - 03/12/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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When Colonizing Vermiculite and BRF jars do you have to leave them in total darkness or would they be fine sitting on a shelf? If they need constant darkness how do you typically cover or where do you put your jars?
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biologys
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: Mr. Fox]
#14109711 - 03/12/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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no, leave them out sitting on a shelf or something...in normal light.
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yessir
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: Mr. Fox]
#14109721 - 03/12/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Light is a fruiting trigger, so keeping mycelium growth in the dark is best.
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curiousgeorge91
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: yessir]
#14109735 - 03/12/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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no. normal light is good. Incubating is old and out dated info. Although i have mine in the dark because its the easiest place to keep them, and they are doing great. i dont thnk it matters a ton
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crp32008
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: biologys]
#14109747 - 03/12/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What that nigga said hahaha A lot of us just keep them on our shelves or in our cabinets. Light is more of pinning trigger (one of a couple) as well as helping the mushrooms decide which was to grow. It does not however affect growth on a nutritional level like it does with plants (no photosynthesis/chlorophyll).
Keep us posted on the grow!
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k00laid
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: yessir]
#14109749 - 03/12/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yessir said: Light is a fruiting trigger, so keeping mycelium growth in the dark is best.
so is full colonization. does that mean we should always birth cakes at 90% to make sure they dont fruit invitro?
no..
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: crp32008]
#14109751 - 03/12/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: It does not however affect growth on a nutritional level (no photosynthesis/chlorophyll)
do you understand how humans use sunlight on a nutritional level?
its not through photosynthesis/chlorophyll
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biologys
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: yessir]
#14109759 - 03/12/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yessir said: Light is a fruiting trigger, so keeping mycelium growth in the dark is best.
mushrooms will grow in complete darnkess as well...light may be a trigger for pinning, but only when combined with FAE and fully colonized.
light is beneficial during colonization stages as well as fruiting stages..
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i GrOw StUFF
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: Mr. Fox]
#14109763 - 03/12/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mr. Fox said: When Colonizing Vermiculite and BRF jars do you have to leave them in total darkness or would they be fine sitting on a shelf? If they need constant darkness how do you typically cover or where do you put your jars?
Try to avoid all the bad advice/info in this thread. Colonizing in total darkness (not that its terrible) is bunk info and is the way the cavemen did it a while back because they didn't fully understand mushroom cultivation. Colonize in regular room light during natural daylight hours, it is actually beneficial. Just avoid direct sunlight. Light is only a pinning trigger after you introduce the first couple pinning triggers (fresh air, water evaporation, reduction of C02, etc)...
EDIT: Bio and k00laid know their shit
-------------------- The mushrooms, which grow only during the season of torrential rains, awaken the forces of creation and produce an experience of spiritual abundance, of an astonishing, inexhaustible constitution of forms that identifies them with fertility and makes them a mediation, a means of communion, of communication between man and the natural world of which they are the metaphysical flesh.
Edited by i GrOw StUFF (03/12/11 04:22 PM)
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yessir
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: k00laid]
#14109776 - 03/12/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't say it was a must. Like it was already said, light is just one of a couple triggers.
For bulk grow, it doesn't matter because the mycelium is cased. With PF tek it becomes more of a factor.
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i GrOw StUFF
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: yessir]
#14109781 - 03/12/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yessir said: I didn't say it was a must. Like it was already said. Light is just one of a couple triggers.
For bulk grow, it doesn't matter because the mycelium is cased. With PF tek it becomes more of a factor.
Wrong...Indirect light is beneficial to PF jars too...
-------------------- The mushrooms, which grow only during the season of torrential rains, awaken the forces of creation and produce an experience of spiritual abundance, of an astonishing, inexhaustible constitution of forms that identifies them with fertility and makes them a mediation, a means of communion, of communication between man and the natural world of which they are the metaphysical flesh.
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: k00laid]
#14109788 - 03/12/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
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crp32008 said: It does not however affect growth on a nutritional level (no photosynthesis/chlorophyll)
do you understand how humans use sunlight on a nutritional level?
its not through photosynthesis/chlorophyll
Can I buy a letter D Al?
At least I think it's how the body makes vit-D...and I think it has affects on the melatonin in the skin but, Id like to know the answer if I'm wrong...as well as what affects (aside from pinning triggers) it has on our little friends! I only incubate my dishes and master jars, everything done after those first steps is never incubated.
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yessir
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i GrOw StUFF said: Wrong...Indirect light is beneficial to PF jars too...
Ok, would you please explain how?
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: yessir]
#14109827 - 03/12/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Long and short, before this gets outta hand light will not harm your pf cakes. Whether it is beneficial to them or has no affect is unclear (in the colonization period). But, it will not harm them.
As some pointed out, incubating (using heat) is seen as out dated, for the most part. It has it's place.
-------------------- "The truth is, no one really knows the truth. But, brief moment we may be able to taste it. This is the "a-ha!" moment of life. But then, just as quickly as it comes, it has left without warning. The lingering feeling of knowing, even for a second, what others are rarely open to leaves us thankful to have experienced it. Out of this comes a whole new look on life, ourselves, and others. The real human experience changes us forever. Even if all we catch is a glimps of it, to know it is there puts peace in our hearts and love toward our fellow man." My Journal Entry
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: crp32008]
#14109886 - 03/12/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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crp32008 said: Long and short, before this gets outta hand light will not harm your pf cakes. Whether it is beneficial to them or has no affect is unclear (in the colonization period). But, it will not harm them.
As some pointed out, incubating (using heat) is seen as out dated, for the most part. It has it's place.
It is clear that it is beneficial....
To the previous poster, the mycelium uses the light to produce more energy, energy that it wouldn't have produced during pure darkness...
-------------------- The mushrooms, which grow only during the season of torrential rains, awaken the forces of creation and produce an experience of spiritual abundance, of an astonishing, inexhaustible constitution of forms that identifies them with fertility and makes them a mediation, a means of communion, of communication between man and the natural world of which they are the metaphysical flesh.
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crp32008
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i GrOw StUFF said:
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crp32008 said: Long and short, before this gets outta hand light will not harm your pf cakes. Whether it is beneficial to them or has no affect is unclear (in the colonization period). But, it will not harm them.
As some pointed out, incubating (using heat) is seen as out dated, for the most part. It has it's place.
It is clear that it is beneficial....
To the previous poster, the mycelium uses the light to produce more energy, energy that it wouldn't have produced during pure darkness...
Can you link me to that info? Curious as to weather it's light waves or the heat they produce being the beneficial part.
-------------------- "The truth is, no one really knows the truth. But, brief moment we may be able to taste it. This is the "a-ha!" moment of life. But then, just as quickly as it comes, it has left without warning. The lingering feeling of knowing, even for a second, what others are rarely open to leaves us thankful to have experienced it. Out of this comes a whole new look on life, ourselves, and others. The real human experience changes us forever. Even if all we catch is a glimps of it, to know it is there puts peace in our hearts and love toward our fellow man." My Journal Entry
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i GrOw StUFF
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: crp32008]
#14109923 - 03/12/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here is a good link for it. "Producing energy" is a vague term. The real term is called "Circadian Rhythms". Temperature fluctuations and light cycle help this out....Check it out...
http://ec.asm.org/cgi/content/full/5/8/1184
maybe its not the best link but google Circadian Rhythms
-------------------- The mushrooms, which grow only during the season of torrential rains, awaken the forces of creation and produce an experience of spiritual abundance, of an astonishing, inexhaustible constitution of forms that identifies them with fertility and makes them a mediation, a means of communion, of communication between man and the natural world of which they are the metaphysical flesh.
Edited by i GrOw StUFF (03/12/11 04:58 PM)
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crp32008
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i GrOw StUFF said: Here is a good link for it. "Producing energy" is a vague term. The real term is called "Circadian Rhythms". Temperature fluctuations and light cycle help this out....Check it out...
http://ec.asm.org/cgi/content/full/5/8/1184
maybe its not the best link but google Circadian Rhythms
Well god damn! I remember something about this in early college but that's the time I picked this hobby up...so it's a blur 
Glad to learn/relearn something this fun today (my day has been rathering boring) 
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That's bullshit. Light has no nutritional factors in mushroom growth. If photosynthesis was present, they wouldn't be fungi. Light can only help promote growth. I know that the light is beneficial to the fruit bodies, but I'm not so sure about the mycelium.
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i GrOw StUFF
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Re: Colonizing Jars [Re: yessir]
#14110011 - 03/12/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yessir said: I'm not so sure about the mycelium.
So why come right out and say "bullshit" if you aren't sure?
-------------------- The mushrooms, which grow only during the season of torrential rains, awaken the forces of creation and produce an experience of spiritual abundance, of an astonishing, inexhaustible constitution of forms that identifies them with fertility and makes them a mediation, a means of communion, of communication between man and the natural world of which they are the metaphysical flesh.
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