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jamest0o0
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cakes aren't pinning?
#14109583 - 03/12/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I'm using the BRF cakes and I've had them in my shotgun terrarium for around 2-3 weeks now and they aren't pinning. The cakes I did before these grew well for my first time so I'm not really sure what's going on. What is the most common reason for this? Is there some kind of hidden contamination I'm not seeing? Could they be too late to save now since it's been so long with no pins? I can probably take some pics if that would help, any help would be great. Thanks
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14109587 - 03/12/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you dunk and roll?
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: oopthedoop]
#14109597 - 03/12/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, left them in water over night, and then coated them in verm.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14114619 - 03/13/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone?
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14114640 - 03/13/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you mist and then fan 3-5 times a day? Is your fruiting chamber in an open room getting the circulation it needs?
What's the temperature? If it's a little cooler in your house they tend to grow slower. A friend of mine's cakes took a little over a month to pin.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: Masticore]
#14115094 - 03/13/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mist as often as I can probably about 3-5 times a day actually. I fan, but just recently I started to fan a little more because I'm thinking I may not have been fanning enough. The terrarium is in the corner of the room up high on a shelf. I think I'm going to move it and see if that helps. It's just weird because I did the same thing with my first cakes and they grew pretty well.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14115118 - 03/13/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What kind of an FC?
Re dunk and give it a lot of FAE...evaporation is THE pining trigger!
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: Perun]
#14115182 - 03/13/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shotgun, and so I should dunk them all overnight and go from there?
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14115272 - 03/13/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The pic would help!
I would dunk it again and "restart" it...
I dono...2-3 weeks u say? U got nothing to lose now...dunk them all overnight and go from there!
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14115315 - 03/13/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It can't hurt.
I still think 2-3 weeks isn't that long.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: Masticore]
#14115507 - 03/13/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had the same problem. Cakes sat for 2 months with no pins. The temp was about 60 degrees and they didn't have enough FAE. I made a SGFC, but I didn't put holes on the bottom. I put a small heater on them that comes on with the lights and raised the temp to 75-80, then it drops back down to 60-65 when dark. I also put a heating pad under the FC on medium that helps evaporate the excess moisture in the perlite and raise the humidity. After I made these changes, I started to see pins in 3 or 4 days.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: kcbennie]
#14115585 - 03/13/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you misting them too much maybe? If they stay wet they might not pin, FAE, light, and evaporation are pinning triggers
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14116920 - 03/13/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
jamest0o0 said: I mist as often as I can probably about 3-5 times a day actually. I fan, but just recently I started to fan a little more because I'm thinking I may not have been fanning enough. The terrarium is in the corner of the room up high on a shelf. I think I'm going to move it and see if that helps. It's just weird because I did the same thing with my first cakes and they grew pretty well.
I'm a new grower, but I'd like to add that my cakes weren't pinning for a while. At that point, I was misting more than I was fanning. Then someone suggested I use an electric fan on them (instead of just fanning them with the shotgun lid, which is what I was doing), and so I started doing that for about 2 minutes every hour... and now there are pins everywhere!!
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: Teemo]
#14122354 - 03/14/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could it be possibly too much FAE? I have an overhead fan that I always leave on that gives off a steady draft throughout my room... it always seems like my cakes are really dry, so I'll end up misting them a lot.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14122382 - 03/14/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lets see a pic. My bet is that the humidity isnt high enough
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14122385 - 03/14/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh no pins NM lol, are you keeping them wet or do you let it evaporate some before you mist again? Do you mist the finest mist you can like a fog a foot or two over the chamber or do you spray the crap opt of them and then fan till tor arms hurt?
And yes a fan going near your chamber will wick out the humidity. You sure you built the SGFC to specs?
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14122408 - 03/14/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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here's some pics, my humidity has been on the low side lately, idk why the first time I had no problems keeping the humidity steady.

the overhead fan is about level with where the terrarium is
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14122420 - 03/14/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been heavy misting+fanning lately to try and raise the humidity, the cakes seem to dry out really fast
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14122459 - 03/14/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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very small tote with too many holes, I would tape some of the top hole and use the right size tub with the holes spaced correctly next time. The design is supposed to create a negative pressure area at the top making the air flow through the bottom holes providing FAE and humidity at the same time. A fan will mess with that and also the hole ratio in a SG that isn't the right size.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14122483 - 03/14/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Add an inch or two of perlite and tape up so,e of the top holes, there is a tek for a mini SGFC somewhere, you should have followed that for the whole pattern, all those holes in the top are letting your moisture escape and probably passing the FAE over top your cakes instead of from underneath them and past them.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14122540 - 03/14/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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When you mist do it in a fine fog a foot over the FC into the air about 7-10 times and then look real close at the cakes and see if they have minute water droplets on the myc. If they all do the just fan a few times to exchange gases, that is what fanning is for, the SGFC should take care of the rest. Try doing what I said and putting a fan on them for a minute if you accidentally get them too wet. Wet cakes like the slow evaporation of the small water drops you leave on there.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14123091 - 03/15/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmmm I thought I followed it right I guess I just used too small a tub, but okay so I should tape up a bunch of the top holes? I was thinking of moving the terrarium more into the middle of the room rather than in a closet, think that would help?
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: jamest0o0]
#14124238 - 03/15/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes definitely don't use a closet unless you have to, you could move it to the closet for a while if someone was coming over.
The tek for building a SGFC calls for a certain size tub because he has been doin this by trial and error for 30 something years and he found the size tub and the hole spacing that worked the best.
Whe you use a smaller tub you would have to change the hole size and spacing to get the same result. The SGFC uses the negative pressure created by the holes in the top evaporating moisture through them to draw air through the bottom holes creating humidity as the air passes through the perlite and introducing more fresh air.
With your set up I think you are just circulating air in the top of your tub, IMHO I think toy should tape up every other hole on the sides, see if your humidity rises to at least 95%, if it does, take off a piece of tape every hour or so till the RH starts to drop again. If taping up half the holes doesn't raise the RH to 95%+ keep taping up holes that aren't near each other on the sides and top till your RH rises. Wait an hour or so after you tape a few holes for the humidity to level out so you can tell if you need more tape or need to start pulling tape off to see where your RH stays high with the max amount of holes.
OR you could tape every hole on the sides and most of the top ones for about an hour until your RH raises to 95%+, and then start removing tape from every other hole till the RH starts to drop and then you will know when to stop taking off tape. I would try the first way myself, tape half the side top holes and go look at the RH an hour later, who knows that might be enough.
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Re: cakes aren't pinning? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14125276 - 03/15/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright I just moved it out in the open, taped up about half of the holes on top and added some perilite. So I'll see how this goes, thanks for all of the help
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