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Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? * 1
    #14109369 - 03/12/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You be the judge.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/12/missouri-puppy-mill-repeal/

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For years, Missouri earned the dubious distinction as the nation’s “puppy mill capital” because its lax humane regulations and enforcement allowed dog breeders to raise puppies at low costs in terrible, overcrowded conditions. Last fall, Missouri voters approved a referendum to finally solve this problem — the Puppy Mill Cruelty Prevention Act — which mandates regular veterinarian inspections of breeding facilities and ensures a basic level of treatment for dogs, such keeping temperatures between 45 and 85 degrees. Tea party groups stridently opposed the referendum, arguing it was “just another example of big government meddling in people’s lives.” Now, capitalizing on the big gains they made in November, Republicans in the state legislature are poised to repeal the regulations Missouri’s voters enacted...




Democracy: They're just not that into it. Also, fuck puppies.

Yeah, sure, these folks are just the embodiment of the invisible hand, and if people want to pay $25 in a Wal-Mart parking lot for a deaf dog with hip dysplasia and brain damage from being kept in a 100 degree kennel, THAT'S THEIR RIGHT!

I'm so glad the teabaggers are tackling the big issues, even if the big issue is that the majority of the populace has a conscience.

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: jimbotron]
    #14109690 - 03/12/11 04:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm so glad you're tackling the big issues.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14109705 - 03/12/11 04:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Some of us like dogs more than politicians.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Icelander]
    #14109790 - 03/12/11 04:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck dogs.  They slobber.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14109966 - 03/12/11 05:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck Conservatives they smell like shit.  Wouldn't mind sticking some of them and their spawn in some over heated cages.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Icelander]
    #14110037 - 03/12/11 05:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Fuck Conservatives they smell like shit.  Wouldn't mind sticking some of them and their spawn in some over heated cages.



:rofl2:
I do not smell like shit.  Do you deny that dogs slobber?


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14110063 - 03/12/11 05:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Not all dogs slobber.  I have a Chihuahua/Jack Russel mix that never ever ever has slobbered once.

See I work in dog rescue and see the hand of the superior man at work.  I'd love to have some dental equipment and a free hand for 48 hours on anyone abusing an animal.  I promise you they'd slobber. Then they'd be dead.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Icelander]
    #14110128 - 03/12/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Not all dogs slobber.  I have a Chihuahua/Jack Russel mix that never ever ever has slobbered once.




That's not a dog.  It's a glorified rat.
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See I work in dog rescue and see the hand of the superior man at work.  I'd love to have some dental equipment and a free hand for 48 hours on anyone abusing an animal.  I promise you they'd slobber. Then they'd be dead.



Some people suck.  Mostly they vote Dem.:grin:


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14110172 - 03/12/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Here's my other dog Kilo,  pitt bull/bull mastiff and over 100 lbs.  I dare you to call his pal Nina a rat to his face.





Actually I'm betting Nina could kick your ass. :satansmoking:


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: jimbotron]
    #14110246 - 03/12/11 05:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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jimbotron said:
You be the judge.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/12/missouri-puppy-mill-repeal/

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For years, Missouri earned the dubious distinction as the nation’s “puppy mill capital” because its lax humane regulations and enforcement allowed dog breeders to raise puppies at low costs in terrible, overcrowded conditions. Last fall, Missouri voters approved a referendum to finally solve this problem — the Puppy Mill Cruelty Prevention Act — which mandates regular veterinarian inspections of breeding facilities and ensures a basic level of treatment for dogs, such keeping temperatures between 45 and 85 degrees. Tea party groups stridently opposed the referendum, arguing it was “just another example of big government meddling in people’s lives.” Now, capitalizing on the big gains they made in November, Republicans in the state legislature are poised to repeal the regulations Missouri’s voters enacted...




Democracy: They're just not that into it. Also, fuck puppies.

Yeah, sure, these folks are just the embodiment of the invisible hand, and if people want to pay $25 in a Wal-Mart parking lot for a deaf dog with hip dysplasia and brain damage from being kept in a 100 degree kennel, THAT'S THEIR RIGHT!

I'm so glad the teabaggers are tackling the big issues, even if the big issue is that the majority of the populace has a conscience.





arent there already laws against animal cruelty in Missouri, could it be
that this is just a ploy by some liberal puppy breeders to eliminate their
competition? seems to me like government intervening in everything is a
big issue, why not enforce the existing laws instead of making new laws
and bigger government who wont enforce the new or the old

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14110255 - 03/12/11 05:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Put me in charge of enforcing animal cruelty laws. :cutoff:

How could they "eliminate" their competition if no cruelty to animals was happening. That makes no sense to me.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: jimbotron]
    #14119179 - 03/14/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

There are unintended consequences involved with legislating morality.

An excellent example is the war on drugs.

How do you think we arrived at the present situation?


Don't miss the forest for the trees and be aware that unintended consequences exist for actionsespecially when government is involved.

The more laws that are enacted and made prominent the more thieves and robbers there will be. - Tao Te Ching


Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) has a few things to say about government meddling.  I suggest you start with Bastiat's The Law.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14119473 - 03/14/11 01:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Fuck dogs.  They slobber.






Zappaisgod: Dogfucker


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14119504 - 03/14/11 01:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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There are unintended consequences involved with legislating morality.

An excellent example is the war on drugs.

How do you think we arrived at the present situation?





If we didn't legislate morality, murder and slavery would be legal.

The war on drugs is completely different.  If you use drugs in your own home, you don't hurt anyone.  If you kill someone or torture puppies, you're inflicting damage on others.

You republicans sure don't mind legislating morality when the gays are concerned..

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: BothHands] * 1
    #14120199 - 03/14/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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If we didn't legislate morality, murder and slavery would be legal.




The Tea Partiers are working on that.

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: BothHands]
    #14120830 - 03/14/11 06:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Mr.Al said:
There are unintended consequences involved with legislating morality.

An excellent example is the war on drugs.

How do you think we arrived at the present situation?





If we didn't legislate morality, murder and slavery would be legal.

The war on drugs is completely different.  If you use drugs in your own home, you don't hurt anyone.  If you kill someone or torture puppies, you're inflicting damage on others.

You republicans sure don't mind legislating morality when the gays are concerned..






The talking points about gay people are merely used to polarize the masses.



Julius Caesar: "Divide et impera."


I think it would make more sense if individual churches and religions decided how to define marriage et cetera.

Government does not need to be involved.

I view people as being held accountable by God not government.

Government is jealous of God's authority and attempts to mislead the public into believing that government is the restraining influence in terms of preventing murder and other atrocities.


Think upon this:

Government is the most effective mass murderer of all time and yet many people consider  government to be the authority of moral judgment.  Such hypocrisy defies all rationality!

It is not the people who need to be restrained from heinous acts by the government.

It is government itself that must be restrained by the people!

More laws does not make for a more moral populace!

Laws are about control.  I use the war on drugs as an example of how easy it is to manipulate well meaning people under the guise of "legislating morality".

Edited by Mr.Al (03/14/11 06:09 PM)

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14120840 - 03/14/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Stuff your god up your ass, Al.  I'd rather have a government of admitted crooks than of priests.


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14120868 - 03/14/11 06:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Stuff your god up your ass, Al.  I'd rather have a government of admitted crooks than of priests.





Who said anything about priests?

Do you suppose that morality is merely an abstract notion created by humans?

If you don't think that God is real why does God bother you so deeply so as to inspire such vehemence?

Humans are capable of the higher cognition that is required for moral contemplation.

This mental framework is necessary for developing compassion towards one's fellow man and other sentient creatures.

It seems to me that higher thought (viewing reality as a whole system) necessitates a moral perspective.

Humility strongly suggests that beings exist which are far more developed than humans.

It is not so much of a stretch to suppose that there is a highest intelligence/moral authority...

Edited by Mr.Al (03/14/11 06:23 PM)

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14120983 - 03/14/11 06:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Mr.Al said:
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zappaisgod said:
Stuff your god up your ass, Al.  I'd rather have a government of admitted crooks than of priests.





Who said anything about priests?

Do you suppose that morality is merely an abstract notion created by humans?




:facepalm:  Of course it is.
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If you don't think that God is real why does God bother you so deeply so as to inspire such vehemence?



God doesn't bother me, priests do.  And every jackass who cites god's will, Rev Phelps.
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Humans are capable of the higher cognition that is required for moral contemplation.


  Who defines moral, Al?
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This mental framework is necessary for developing compassion towards one's fellow man and other sentient creatures.




What other sentient creatures?  There are none.
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It seems to me that higher thought (viewing reality as a whole system) necessitates a moral perspective.



Why?  Serial killers are capable of higher thought.  Are they moral?  Does that give them moral sanction for their actions?
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Humility strongly suggests that beings exist which are far more developed than humans.




Reality suggests otherwise.
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It is not so much of a stretch to suppose that there is a highest intelligence/moral authority...




It is not so much of a stretch to believe that I have achieved that.  You, on the other hand...............


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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14121161 - 03/14/11 07:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

One thing I think is a bit hard to stomach is the seemingly arbitrary distinctions made between animals and the law.  Emotionally I'd like animals to be well cared for, except the annoying ones, but its really hard for me to support laws, especially criminal penalties, for an act against a dog, for example, that would be legal if it had been conducted against a cow, pig, monkey, et cet. 

Arbitrary distinctions in law would seem to indicate a poorly justified law or one that is enforced due to convieniance of particular lifestyles, cultures, and I question whether that makes good law, as it likely lakes any philosophical justification- to say nothing of its practicalities.  How could I justify taking someone by force and putting them in jail for something that if they had done it to an animal arbitrarily different it would not represent an offense at all?

In my state you can't kill squirrels, for example, without a license, yet your free to do your own slaughtering.  What's so fancy about a squirrel that I need to go to jail for shooting it?  (note: you can't release them on other property, including public, either.  Actually that same law appears to make killing rats and mice illegal as well.  Not a very well-thought out law there, I'd say.)

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