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jenia1
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Yet another Incubator Heating problem
#14108917 - 03/12/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey there guys. after lots of delays ive finally completed my incubator and on the 1st try the light bulb which is used for heating has melt down the buttom of the fridge and went kaBooM lol. so now im using another bulb this time on a stone surface the main reason why this this is happened is because the bulb is located at the buttom and the heat sensor is at the top so the bulb reaches so called"critical temps" like the nuclear plant in japan <= lame jk. i was wondering how do ppl compare the temps anywhere at the incubator? lookin for some good advice tnx for help.
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14108931 - 03/12/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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what are you incubating..eggs
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: penhed]
#14108944 - 03/12/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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penhed said: what are you incubating..eggs
petri dishes atm, and spawn jars abit later(hopefully)
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14108963 - 03/12/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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nice...no harm intended ,,be careful with possible fire hazards
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14108985 - 03/12/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd say that you can stop worrying about the incubator completely and trash it brotherman. No matter how well you regulate the temperature it's still going to be more hassle and cause you more failure than needed. Normal room temp. is all that's needed and is preferred by healthy mycelium. They're exothermic in nature, meaning they generate heat as they go so if you can stand your house in a t-shirt they'll be more than fine. Also, bottling them up in a stale air environment will encourage bacterial contamination to flourish. Yeah, I know, even if you sterilize your rye or use brf which doesn't (generally) harbor much bacterial endospores you still have a 2 week window and it will slow them down considerably. Remember sometimes less is more - so just put them on a shelf in your room with regular ambient airflow and enjoy.
If you insist on an incubator atleast put the heat source above the jars because you don't want that heat rising into your jars - esp. when it's 10-15 degrees warmer in them than outside temps anyway. Just tryin' to help you out my friend. learn from the failures of others (been there ) and don't forget the search engine. ~namaste~
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: penhed]
#14108992 - 03/12/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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penhed said: nice...no harm intended ,,be careful with possible fire hazards:)
yeah.. thats wat im afraid of.. im barely at home and this seems to be more dangerous then i thought
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: Dr.Boomstik]
#14109022 - 03/12/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dr.Boomstik said: I'd say that you can stop worrying about the incubator completely and trash it brotherman. No matter how well you regulate the temperature it's still going to be more hassle and cause you more failure than needed. Normal room temp. is all that's needed and is preferred by healthy mycelium. They're exothermic in nature, meaning they generate heat as they go so if you can stand your house in a t-shirt they'll be more than fine. Also, bottling them up in a stale air environment will encourage bacterial contamination to flourish. Yeah, I know, even if you sterilize your rye or use brf which doesn't (generally) harbor much bacterial endospores you still have a 2 week window and it will slow them down considerably. Remember sometimes less is more - so just put them on a shelf in your room with regular ambient airflow and enjoy.
If you insist on an incubator atleast put the heat source above the jars because you don't want that heat rising into your jars - esp. when it's 10-15 degrees warmer in them than outside temps anyway. Just tryin' to help you out my friend. learn from the failures of others (been there ) and don't forget the search engine. ~namaste~
frankly i put too much effort on the incubator and it will suck to see that work go down the drain. but the main issue here is that my "normal room temp" isnt that normal its around 10 celcius now and up to 44 in the summer picks.. so i think i have no choise but to use incubator
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14109096 - 03/12/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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frankly i put too much effort on the incubator and it will suck to see that work go down the drain.
^ My point exactly. So why would you want to continue the effort and have your success hampered over your pride? You're not the only one who put a lot of work in to find out it was a waste of time. It's all gravy - we've all done it but if we wished to succeed we changed our ways, quick. I know it sucks but you could use it to raise chickens if it's that beautiful. Not tryin' to be a dick but learn from those who have failed and let not they're work go in vain. just sayin.
10 degrees celsius isn't too far off - 15-20 degrees C will be fine so just get a space heater and heat the surrounding room to desired temps. They'll still grow at 10 degrees C just a lil slower. My first grows were in a room that never got over 50 degrees F.
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: Dr.Boomstik]
#14109097 - 03/12/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The process of colonization is indeed exothermic, but the change in temperature is negligible, a few degrees. Colonization time is greatly decreased by utilizing an incubator (unless, as stated, the ambient temperature of your house is 82-86 degrees Fahrenheit). I will generally set my incubator's submersible heater at 82 to factor in the exothermic reaction.
I have never once experienced a contaminant that was the result of using an incubator. If you are using filtered jars, you are working with a closed, sterile system that would be VERY difficult to contaminate. Rye, in my experience, is FULL of bacterial endospores that should be germinated before you PC your jars. Also, contamination CAN occur much faster than two weeks.
I would highly suggest using a double-tub incubator as you can evenly distribute the temperature and maintain it at whatever level you choose (assuming, of course, that you have an adjustable, fully submersible heater). This model runs the risk of combining electricity and water, but as long as you get a FULLY submersible fish-tank heater you shouldn't have any problems.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off as argumentative or rude, I am drawing from personal experience and a fair amount of research. Don't misunderstand, I am certainly not implying that you aren't, but luckily, this is a fairly forgiving science and there are many routes to the same end.
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: DiMiTriSouljah]
#14109326 - 03/12/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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TIME IS OF AN ESSENCE my friends, and it would be awefull to waste it i heared a drop of 10 degrees F slows down the colonization by 50% thats why i want conditions to be idial. p.s i burned another lamp after covering it with thin foil lolz,cuz i heared mycilium doesnt like light too much. an idea just came to me, i think to add a small fan to destribute the heat faster and save the lamp from overheating, cross ur fingers:D
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14109332 - 03/12/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you dont need an incubator.
mycelium likes light just fine.
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14109366 - 03/12/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't want to drop the temperature while the mycelia is colonizing. You drop the temperature AFTER it is done colonizing and is ready to be put into fruiting chambers. A drop in temperature isn't actually essential with P. cubensis (certain species require a drop in temperature to set forth primordia), but I still do it, because, well, it works for me.
Yeah, as mentioned, mycelia likes light just fine. It actually needs a certain amount of light to, essentially, know which way is "up".
Using a fan should help to prevent overheating. What kind of bulbs are you using? They have bulbs that are designed (basically) for this purpose. Heat lamps.
As mentioned, an incubator is not an essential item of cubensis cultivation, but again, I use one because it works well for me and is a bit more incognito.
Good luck.
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: DiMiTriSouljah]
#14109405 - 03/12/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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DiMiTriSouljah said: It actually needs a certain amount of light to, essentially, know which way is "up".
then why do mushrooms grow in total darkness up?
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: DiMiTriSouljah]
#14109411 - 03/12/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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im using simplest lamps on the market 1st one was 100W and it caused the fridge buttom to melt before it exploded lol.. and the last lamp i sent to the grave was around 60W
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14109419 - 03/12/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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why are you incubating >.>
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: k00laid]
#14109430 - 03/12/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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k00laid said: why are you incubating >.>
im incubating the agar cultures to see if theres any contams be4 inoculating
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14109444 - 03/12/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you dont need to incubate your agar cultures to check them for contams.
you can do that in room temperature
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: k00laid]
#14109451 - 03/12/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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k00laid said: you dont need to incubate your agar cultures to check them for contams.
you can do that in room temperature
wont it take longer?
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: jenia1]
#14109588 - 03/12/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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to check for contams?
no
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Re: Yet another Incubator Heating problem [Re: k00laid]
#14113489 - 03/13/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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btw is it possible to REuse petri dishes if i clean them with 99% alcohol or somethin?
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