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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: DrMambo]
#14113249 - 03/13/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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DrMambo said: if you can't afford to tip, then you can't afford to eat at the establishment
go cook at home or grab something at WackArnolds
if it's booze, then buy booze and drink elsewhere
if the service is absolute shit, register a complaint and leave nothing
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: vinsue]
#14113256 - 03/13/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tipping is an outdated way of trying to use the profit motive to ensure servers are helpful and polite. With the profit motive pretty much failing on all levels, servers really should be paid a normal wage. Considering how much of a shit job it is, they should get at least 10/hr.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Synesthetic]
#14113303 - 03/13/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Minimum wage should be $ 10, but you know when that's gonna happen ... . . .
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: vinsue]
#14113306 - 03/13/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meh i don't tip.. if there is change ill give em that but they get paid to work... i don't get tips for working my ass off every day
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Senor_Doobie said: Yeah, you are being treated pretty unfairly. These people who work in the food industry are acting like because of people like you they are starving to death when in reality I bet they all make far above minimum wage. "Oh boo hoo my hourly wage is crap." Yeah? How much do you take home? And do you report all of your tips to the government?
This argument also that you are not entitled to service at a restaurant is also horse shit. The truth is that you are entitled. If you weren't, you would have to tip before being served. As it really is, waitstaff are not entitled to tips.
Let's face it. Waiting tables is UNSKILLED labor that anybody can do. The way everyone is acting in this thread you would think they would rather be paid minimum wage and have tipping abolished so that they can finally get what they deserve for what they do.
"I have to memorize a limited number of facts about our menu". Anybody with a GED can memorize shit. It doesn't make you special.
It's not the fact that it's difficult, it's the fact that they are providing a service. You walk in, sit down, and the rest is done for you. Do you tip your cab drivers? Or the bell boy at hotels? Again, a very simple job, but they provide a service to make your life easier. Therefore, you should show you appreciate that service by leaving a tip. It's not that hard, nor is it that much extra $$. Besides, I believe in karma, and since I make my money off tips, I always make sure to tip well because I know it will come back to me at some point, maybe even by the same person I tipped! You see, it's all about being a decent human being. Not a douche.
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lucas_southoz said: Meh i don't tip.. if there is change ill give em that but they get paid to work... i don't get tips for working my ass off every day
If the job ain't paying enough get another job...
lolwut
you DO realize that servers work FOR tips, right? The employers don't pay jack shit.
And finding a job isn't easy.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Anthony917]
#14113513 - 03/13/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are many people doing other jobs that provide a service but don't get tips for their work. I understand the profit motive for tipping, but I don't agree with taking peoples' wages down to the low just to make them work harder to make a normal living. Businesses should not underpay their employees and make them rely on tips. Tips should always be something a little extra for a job well done, not the basis for a worker's income.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Uzziel]
#14113568 - 03/13/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: There are many people doing other jobs that provide a service but don't get tips for their work. I understand the profit motive for tipping, but I don't agree with taking peoples' wages down to the low just to make them work harder to make a normal living. Businesses should not underpay their employees and make them rely on tips. Tips should always be something a little extra for a job well done, not the basis for a worker's income.
exactly.. if someone does an outstanding job or is really nice i will tip em, but not for no reason.Quote:
Uzziel said:
Meh i don't tip.. if there is change ill give em that but they get paid to work... i don't get tips for working my ass off every day
If the job ain't paying enough get another job...
lolwut
you DO realize that servers work FOR tips, right? The employers don't pay jack shit.
And finding a job isn't easy.
servers work for tips? lol. Pretty sure they work for the money they earn... sure the employers pay jack shit... that's why you find different work..
Sure it is hard to find a job, but I will not be spending my hard earned money working 12 hour days to give someone doing there job more money. As my year 9 art teacher told me tough titties.
*edit* yeah i fucked the quote , shit happens.
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I wonder what legally allowed businesses to even pay their employees less than minimum wage on the books? There must be a law that allowed for this. It needs to be abolished. Forcing employees to depend on tips for basic source of income is wrong, even if it means they could be looking for another job.. There are always going to be people working in this sector.
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AlteredAgain said: There are many people doing other jobs that provide a service but don't get tips for their work. I understand the profit motive for tipping, but I don't agree with taking peoples' wages down to the low just to make them work harder to make a normal living. Businesses should not underpay their employees and make them rely on tips. Tips should always be something a little extra for a job well done, not the basis for a worker's income.
A lot of places aren't allowed to legally take tips. I offer tips to people all the time, but sometimes they just can't accept them because it isn't taxable income. Whereas a server works for tips. I agree that wages should be increased, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tip. What makes you so high and mighty that you can't afford to tip, and why is it a big deal? Personally tipping makes me feel good, because I know that if I leave a server a fat tip, I'm really going to brighten their day, as well as give them a little extra cash. I would want someone to do the same for me, so I tip well.
If the service is really poor, then I will leave a weak tip, but if I walk into a super crowded restaurant and my server is attentive and on top of things and is polite, they're getting a fat tip. If you've ever worked as a server in an extremely crowded restaurant you would understand...there are a LOT of tables to tend to. A lot of orders, a lot of drinks, a lot of extra bullshit people request...
Like others have said before, if you can't afford to tip, then you can't afford to eat out in the first place. Nothing worse than a huge group of people with hella requests and a $100+ bill that only tips you $2
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Senor_Doobie said: This argument also that you are not entitled to service at a restaurant is also horse shit. The truth is that you are entitled. If you weren't, you would have to tip before being served. As it really is, waitstaff are not entitled to tips.
no. simply no. you are just wrong.
if you sit down and accept service, you are entering an agreement to pay he who serves you. the option to get take-out exists at every single restaurant. if you don't want to pay your server, then you order it as take out. plain and simple.
if you accept service and do not tip, you distinguish yourself as a social pariah and a fucking asshole.
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as a restaurant worker, it'd be fine to have fully compensated waiters, but expect the price difference on your bill
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: DrMambo]
#14114557 - 03/13/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
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Senor_Doobie said: This argument also that you are not entitled to service at a restaurant is also horse shit. The truth is that you are entitled. If you weren't, you would have to tip before being served. As it really is, waitstaff are not entitled to tips.
no. simply no. you are just wrong.
if you sit down and accept service, you are entering an agreement to pay he who serves you. the option to get take-out exists at every single restaurant. if you don't want to pay your server, then you order it as take out. plain and simple.
if you accept service and do not tip, you distinguish yourself as a social pariah and a fucking asshole.
You seriously need to wake up and get some fucking perspective dude.
I always tip, but I would not be a "douche" if I chose not to. I paid money for the food at this restaurant; that money isn't just for the raw ingredients, or the skills of the chef, but also for everybody else who works at the restaurant, including the servers. It's part of the damn package. Does your boss just keep you around on a leash expecting the customers to pay your entire wages? No, you are working at a job for a salary.
Again, I sympathize that you're not making enough money, but it's really fucked-up to blame that on the customers.
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BTW I worked as a barista/bar-back at a restaurant for a year and a half. I'm a seriously talented barista, I can make tulips in your goddamn latte, and nobody ever tipped me or gave me any fucking appreciation even though what I did took far more skill than taking trays to tables and putting on a fake smile. The servers were paid more base wages and took more in tip money, and not only that but they were huge assholes about it. I got such a kick of schadenfreude every time they came and pissed and moaned at me because somebody was stingy with tips.
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heh, 10 points for schadenfreude
leave it to the Germans to come up with a term for delighting in another's suffering
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Tchan909 said: BTW I worked as a barista/bar-back at a restaurant for a year and a half. I'm a seriously talented barista, I can make tulips in your goddamn latte, and nobody ever tipped me or gave me any fucking appreciation even though what I did took far more skill than taking trays to tables and putting on a fake smile. The servers were paid more base wages and took more in tip money, and not only that but they were huge assholes about it. I got such a kick of schadenfreude every time they came and pissed and moaned at me because somebody was stingy with tips.
dude I always tip at starbucks & other places that make coffee. Like I said, I will tip everywhere that can accept tips, because it's the decent thing to do and if someone performs a type of service for you and you don't tip, maybe you aren't a douche, but you sure as hell are a cheap bastard.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Anthony917]
#14114704 - 03/13/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, I'm not a cheap bastard if I choose not to tip (even though I always do), I paid for your services with the bill.
Take it up with your boss.
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Tchan909 said: No, I'm not a cheap bastard if I choose not to tip (even though I always do), I paid for your services with the bill.
Take it up with your boss.

No you didn't, you paid for the food.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Anthony917]
#14114734 - 03/13/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I went to the supermarket and bought raw ingredients it would cost much less.
When I buy food at a restaurant, I am paying for both the ingredients and for the related services. The chef gets paid to cook, the floor scrubber gets paid to scrub, and you get paid to bring me my goddamned food.
Are you trying to tell me you don't get paid? Give me a fucking break.
You're not going to convince me that the tips I regularly pay don't represent generosity on my part.
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i don't see how people still don't understand, tips = respect for the service, you enjoyed your meal? say thanks to your server because they enabled your pleasant meal.
you like your cocktail made just right? tip your bartender, you like to bitch about your shitty job/life/current problem? tip your bartender.
(you guessed it, bar tend here)
once you have lived off of tips you understand.
i think a lot of people have issues with tipping because they are unable to comprehend paying for something they can't own or consume.
proper tipping is essential for the service industry because without it no one would fucking care and you would be left without decent meals out.
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