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tiny_rabid_birds said: man, i was never raging. i suppose it may have come across different than i had intended, but for the most part i've simply been trying to illustrate the way the system is and that servers are entirely dependent on tips. entirely.
maybe it's a fucked up system, but i don't see it changing anytime soon, despite how many letters i send to my congressman. in the meantime, this system is so deeply ingrained into the industry that there is no other alternative. so when someone doesn't tip, it directly and significantly impacts the people making living wages on tips in that establishment. yes, i do think that would make one an asshole.
again, the system shouldn't be like that, but it is. and within the bounds of reality, stiffing a server is a dick thing.
btw, bodhi, you don't live in the US, so i can't expect you to be accustomed to just how vital tips are in regards to an individual's income. but it's entirely different from europe, and most the rest of the world from what i understand.
anyway. i've said my piece. i don't think i could express my views any more clearly. it's your life, fellas. live it how you want. but don't act surprised or taken aback when someone makes a judgment of it.
I just think it doesn't make the customer an asshole, it makes the employer an asshole.
Again. I always tip as much as I can. I sympathize. But it's a fucked-up state of affairs, and I do see a lot of rageful servers in this thread attacking anyone who's made the sadly mistaken assumption that business owners are required to pay their employees for their work.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14115561 - 03/13/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: If you were entering into any sort of agreement upon getting your order taken and served to you then that 15% would automatically be tacked onto your bill
that typically happens with a party of 6 or more and is becoming more frequent in restaurants across the country with smaller groups
Well there you go. Now if these servers would grow a brain and take precedence over there wage situation instead of the tips that mandatory slave server tax wouldnt be needed.
let us see how that backfires
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Who in future will be going to the Lehigh pub?
Because I won't.

Calling the cops on a customer refusing to pay a tip...What a excellent public relations move. And that is why no self respecting restaurant in Canada would pull that bullshit on a customer.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: blood4blood]
#14115574 - 03/13/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blood4blood said: Bitch at me and call me an asshole, like it's my fault you make a shitty wage.
isnt it though since you have knowledge that the wait staff is paid low wages by the employer and depend on those tips, hell, the real beauty is if staff really gets tired of it they can refuse to serve you as that's an option every business in the US has
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14115580 - 03/13/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The couple and their friends amassed a $73 bill that they had no problem paying, but the service was so poor that they refused to cough up the mandatory 18% tip. They say they waited almost an hour for chicken fingers and fries and Pope had to go to the bar to get napkins, silverware and refills on her soda because the server was missing in action.
Yeah, I think I have to side with those customers here. Who the fuck wants to shell out money for shitty service? Making tips mandatory is only going to cause more problems.
I always tip, but I agree with the people who are saying that there needs to be a change. This is a shitty system in the first place. The employer should pay the employees a living wage. I'm sure those restaurants make plenty of profit, they are just greedy bastards and the CEO's want to line their pockets with all that extra money.
I don't work in food service, but I work in retail and it made me sick to hear the CEO of my company makes nearly a million dollars a year. That's just too much damn money. It could go a long way to raise the wages of some deserving employees. I imagine it's similar for restaurants too, at least the corporate ones.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14115592 - 03/13/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Maybe they should just always do that. If I go into a business establishment and there is a service staff, I sort of have the unspoken assumption that they are BEING PAID FOR THEIR WORK.
No doubt, and they better have signs warning people of this. Nothing pisses me off more then some idiot holding his hand out for a tip and scowling at me when he doesnt get one, forcing one on me as I leave would piss me off even more.
so wait... you say dont force a the tipping crap on you but people should be compensated by the employer whom would force you to tip by adding it to your bill... it's common knowledge in the US that wait staff are low wage employees, sure some arent aware but the majority are which is why the majority tip
That wouldnt happen thats bad for business your gonna lose a lot of customers that way and/or cause a lot of customers to be absolute dicks to the staff, and if boss has half a brain he is gonna uniformly hike all the prices up to compensate and give them a decent wage.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Calling the cops on a customer refusing to pay a tip...What a excellent public relations move. And that is why no self respecting restaurant in Canada would pull that bullshit on a customer.
if it's on the check they're obligated and that one establishment isnt the only place that's adopted these policies, it's happened numerous times and obviously isnt hurting the businesses no matter what the arrestee claims is the reason for it
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/watercooler/story.aspx?storyid=118955&catid=82 http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Ballerium]
#14115608 - 03/13/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ehhh.. not true at all. the average independent restaurant doesn't start turning a profit for at least 5 years.
you just have to keep doing what you can to make progress and hope that the investors don't lose interest. no idea what it's like for the corporations though. i haven't any association with them.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: if boss has half a brain he is gonna uniformly hike all the prices up to compensate and give them a decent wage.
obviously none in the US have half a brain since it's not happened
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14115622 - 03/13/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Calling the cops on a customer refusing to pay a tip...What a excellent public relations move. And that is why no self respecting restaurant in Canada would pull that bullshit on a customer.
if it's on the check they're obligated and that one establishment isnt the only place that's adopted these policies, it's happened numerous times and obviously isnt hurting the businesses no matter what the arrestee claims is the reason for it
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/watercooler/story.aspx?storyid=118955&catid=82 http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1
And you know that how?
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tiny_rabid_birds said: ehhh.. not true at all. the average independent restaurant doesn't start turning a profit for at least 5 years.
you just have to keep doing what you can to make progress and hope that the investors don't lose interest. no idea what it's like for the corporations though. i haven't any association with them.
Yeah, I guess I should have clarified better. I was more or less talking about chain restaurants (Olive Garden, Longhorn, etc.). Corporations are greedy bastards, and I would bet that those restaurant corporations aren't any different.
I feel for the independently owned restaurants though.
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tiny_rabid_birds said: ehhh.. not true at all. the average independent restaurant doesn't start turning a profit for at least 5 years.
90% of them fold in the first 5 years
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Calling the cops on a customer refusing to pay a tip...What a excellent public relations move. And that is why no self respecting restaurant in Canada would pull that bullshit on a customer.
if it's on the check they're obligated and that one establishment isnt the only place that's adopted these policies, it's happened numerous times and obviously isnt hurting the businesses no matter what the arrestee claims is the reason for it
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/watercooler/story.aspx?storyid=118955&catid=82 http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1
And you know that how?
because as I said, it happened locally several months ago, bitch was raising hell, had the cops called, was arrested and the crowd cheered that restaurant stays busy even in the recession
regular patrons will always frequent their favorite places, people who occasionally go out to these places typically arent aware of events like this and most dont care, most see the tip added to the bill and pay it, many still leave additional cash
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14115725 - 03/13/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God some people are so dumb, it's not the servers fault for expecting a tip after they bust their ass to give promptness and quality, it's your fellow customers who demand this so when we work harder than we have to to deliver a great dining experience you should want to reciprocate and if you don't then hey that's cool too just don't expect the same level of quality that others are willing to pay for in the future. Luckily for servers though, non-tippers are a slim minority.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14115763 - 03/13/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tipping for me and for anyone should be completely relative to the service that was experienced, I'm not going to tip 35% to a front of the house that is disorganized chaotic and just down right retarded, infact if things aren't together and the server is lacking in skills that make it necessary to be alive then I may not tip at all. But if the server makes sure everything is great and without being too nosey or overly enthusiastic then hell yeah I'll tip 25% maybe and if the food is great and the beer is cold perhaps I'll throw more monies and maybe a doob or two.
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14115804 - 03/13/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never worked in the food service industry, but if some clown stiffed me out of a tip after I waited on them and their date to the tune of 30 - $40 (or more), and left nothing, and then said A- hole comes back in in a few weeks or so and expects good service, guess what ? They just might get some special sauce in their meal ... Kids, take care of your bartender and wait staff because they take care of you ... . . .
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At restaurants - I would say it all depends on service. If they are friendly, refill drinks, and come to check often it would be 20-25%. However, if they are slow & bad service 5-10%. If they are rude 0%.
I used to be a delivery driver and it would make me so mad when people didn't tip. Its like you're doing them a favor for nothing in return. "Oh thanks for rushing here to bring me food, I just don't care enough to give you a dollar or two for the trouble."
At risk of seeming racist (which I am not) I feel like the majority of black people will not tip whites well - if at all for "reparations". It's like they use their race to get out of tipping - sickening. (From my experience in the Southeast - I don't know about up North or out West)
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: w1llyw0nka]
#14115875 - 03/13/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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At risk of seeming racist (which I am not) I feel like the majority of black people will not tip whites well - if at all for "reparations". It's like they use their race to get out of tipping - sickening. (From my experience in the Southeast - I don't know about up North or out West) 
Using the race card to get out of tipping? 
reparations???
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I totally thought the tittle said tripping in restaurants lmfao. Aside that, I have a friend who goes both ways. Some times for no reason he'l refuses to tip. Other times, if he's in a good mood, he will leave a fat amount. I go by the % or if the service was good I leave some what more if i can afford it.
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depends on the place, sometimes ill go to a cheaper resturaunt and spend 25$ between 2 people, normally ill till 5$ in that situation.
The higher the bill, the lower the % of tip i give, like if tis only 10$, ill tip 4$ or w/e.
also depends on how much cash i have on me etc
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Re: Tipping at restaurants. [Re: w1llyw0nka] 1
#14115995 - 03/13/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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w1llyw0nka said: At risk of seeming racist (which I am not) I feel like the majority of black people will not tip whites well - if at all for "reparations". It's like they use their race to get out of tipping - sickening. (From my experience in the Southeast - I don't know about up North or out West) 
strange... I've heard that blacks, mexicans and kids dont tip, this has not been my experience, in fact I got a big tip from some black men after I booted their bitchy wives who wanted their meals on to go plates, I handed them the boxes, pointed at the sign that said 'to-go' meals shall be eaten off premises
those guys appreciated the break from the constant nagging of the chicken heads
never had an issue with any ethnicity and tipping, blacks are generous when they're treated right, mexicans appreciate prompt and courteous service, I've even gotten tips from church groups
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