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#14107999 - 03/12/11 09:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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when do you case your tubs ?? i have tried a few tubs cased @ begining of spawn run...it just colonized..did great. tried a few uncased..pin set looked great..then alot of aborts.the non cased subs seem to have thin skin layer..it peels. now my current tubs,i waited for knots..then sprinkled 1/4 inch 50/50 coir -verm and seems to be working nice.. also i did scratch off top layer of early cased sub and got my best second flush..
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14108010 - 03/12/11 09:17 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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A little more details please. Are you using multispore. How big is your monotub if thats what it is and what was your spawn ratio for each of these different tubs. Were you using grains??
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: bbt0009]
#14108023 - 03/12/11 09:23 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unless you count coir as self-casing, I don't case. If you do, then I do it when I build the tub, which is how I case a species that requires it.
I think of wax paper as a sort of casing layer, and I apply that when I expose the tub to fruiting conditions.
My general policy: hands off.
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: bbt0009]
#14108034 - 03/12/11 09:26 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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i use wbs and rye..spawn to h/poo,straw,worm casting,gypsum or oyster shell added. i have all size tubs 6qt-100 ..all 2.5 -4.0 inch sub
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: bbt0009]
#14108050 - 03/12/11 09:29 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Excuse the intrusion.
Keeping in fashion of what I'v learned from the BRF tek, I case cubensis substrates (if I decide to case) as soon as the substrate's introduced into fruiting conditions.
You don't need to case cubensis substrates when your climate is dialed in correctly.

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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14108053 - 03/12/11 09:30 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then you don't need to case bro. I've never done it. I layer my spawn and sub when putting it in the tub but that's it. I've tried the wax paper before and didn't really notice a big difference so i leave it out. Your flushes are always going to vary. Sometimes the second flush is bigger than the 1st or 3rd and vice versa.
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14108057 - 03/12/11 09:31 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes to the wax paper. it really has helped me.now you did not say about the scratch? i like what it did on one tub.
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: bbt0009]
#14108064 - 03/12/11 09:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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bbt0009 said: Your flushes are always going to vary.
This is where cloning comes in. Agar is cheaper and easier than it seems, it's the next step.
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14108073 - 03/12/11 09:37 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hamloaf i welcome all your advice. i think those little mushies just have a mind of there own agar is in the making today.. i did a clone to lc which looks good..just play'in
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14108189 - 03/12/11 10:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you are casing, go with peat + lime instead of coir. I've tried them side by side and the coir overcolonizes too much to be an effective casing layer. But casing with cubensis is really pointless IMO. Well it does help in harvesting by not tearing up the substrate as much, but that's about all.
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: DZ]
#14108377 - 03/12/11 11:13 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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i want to see those nice even canopy grows...seems if every sub does what it wants...but i like each one equally..aways learn something new every day
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14109382 - 03/12/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeh, it's really all a gamble with multispore. can't wait to have some isolates to work with
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Doc_T]
#14109438 - 03/12/11 03:03 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: I think of wax paper as a sort of casing layer, and I apply that when I expose the tub to fruiting conditions.
sorry, off topic,
Wax paper..?! Interesting, pls explain..
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Luger0815]
#14109450 - 03/12/11 03:06 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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crumple waxpaper
lay on top of substrate.
rise humidity at substrate level.
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: k00laid]
#14109467 - 03/12/11 03:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, and resistant to contams.......
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Luger0815]
#14109487 - 03/12/11 03:16 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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After pins are set, do you just let it lay/stay there?
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Luger0815]
#14109501 - 03/12/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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no, i dont really get it... ....lol
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Luger0815]
#14110013 - 03/12/11 05:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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to get good pin set...after mist/fan then add crumple wax paper..should only use few days,then throw it away. it does help
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14110065 - 03/12/11 05:17 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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who uses Fahtsters late case methods..and how much do you think helps
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14111166 - 03/12/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't case. Too many 2 do. 
If it had less projects going on I definitely would.
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That seems backwards- small growers can slack, but as you go up in size, small differences become big. A 5% difference in yield from a couple cakes isn't much. 5% of a dozen monotubs could be a considerable amount.
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thanks PP. .i am still perfecting my methods..there is alot of info to sort and try first hand...i have a few projects pop'in...
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Doc_T]
#14111229 - 03/12/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is all about time management. My monos aren't the only thing I have going on. I can't spend all day casing 30 large monos and deal with all the other stuff I am trying to juggle. It isn't required with cubes anyway so I don't bother. I have plenty of fresh fruit on hand at all times. More than you would ever need, so I am really not that worried about the difference. Not that is that much anyway, I know how to milk my substrate without a casing. I have a couple PE strains that are ridiculous. They literally rape the substrate, they definitely don't need casings.
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ProfessorPinHead said: It is all about time management. My monos aren't the only thing I have going on. I can't spend all day casing 30 large monos and deal with all the other stuff I am trying to juggle. It isn't required with cubes anyway so I don't bother. I have plenty of fresh fruit on hand at all times. More than you would ever need, so I am really not that worried about the difference. Not that is that much anyway, I know how to milk my substrate without a casing. I have a couple PE strains that are ridiculous. They literally rape the substrate, they definitely don't need casings.
Mind sending some of these my way lol I'll trade you my heart???
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what about scratching a matted sub surface...seem to help my 2nd flush on the cased sub
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14111277 - 03/12/11 08:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Less you mess with it, better off you'll be".
Except you have to beat shiitakes.
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Doc_T]
#14111321 - 03/12/11 08:52 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanx DocT i only did that once...sometimes its hard not to over think and i think a KISS way is the way
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: penhed]
#14111350 - 03/12/11 08:56 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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growing pains
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Re: DocT, ProfessorP,FaceyN [Re: Doc_T]
#14111824 - 03/12/11 10:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
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bbt0009 said: Your flushes are always going to vary.
This is where cloning comes in. Agar is cheaper and easier than it seems, it's the next step.
Yea that was in regards to multispore
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