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Over 50 Tripping
    #14107895 - 03/12/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

questions on age and sociopaths:

i was wondering what anyone over 50 (if any) would say about tripping compared to when they were 20s or so.  i would guess that older people dislike it because:

1) old age is already like tripping to some degree :smile:

2) old age tends to create desires to conserve energy,
and not much enthusiasm to spend energy on a trip.

3) old age tends to make one more cynical about the world, and less interested in tripping because attitude is generally less positive.

4) so many years in the world takes a toll on the mind and spirit,
and eventually taints one's structure/being with artificial
worldly elements that are ugly and disliked when tripping.

can someone over 50 be realistic and knowledgeable and wise about the world and still enjoy tripping after 50?  maybe if you are too cynical, you aren't very knowledgeable or wise after all.  maybe if you are not cynical you are a fool and maybe trips are for kids.

i think it is a good psychological standard/test, and is good for all people in that regard every 1-2 years to provide insight into ones course and development in life.  but i find it more effort than desire after 35 or so.

i used to think a heavy dose should be a yearly requirement for public office since it tends to expose people with crooked psychology that should never be in public service, making decisions on behalf of others, or exercising authority over others.

i think i could tell the better candidate during a debate if they were all required to take 5g of shrooms first, so i could watch them handle questions while tripping.

they say 5% or so of the population are sociopaths, and they are often the ones that seek power in public office, since they are unaffected by conscience in matters which would otherwise cripple people with a conscience.  has anyone ever seen a sociopath trip?  is there anything distinctive about it?

if anyone has anything to say on these questions/topics, i'd like to hear it just to inform myself with the thoughts of others.


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: i18rabbit]
    #14108413 - 03/12/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

First of all... 50 is not 'old age'.... Unless you let it be

Second... Being old is not like tripping..

Third... There are 50 year olds who have more energy than a lot of heavy, over weight, lazy 20 year olds...

Basically, what I am saying is once you start generalizing on how old someone is... An age, you leave out the individual.  So, all I can say is about me...

As a 18 year old kid, I knew very little but thought I did... No stability, no real idea who I was, where I was going....drugs, sex, rocking roll...mushrooms, acid, coke, speed, pot, hash... Our life style. Could not enjoy anything without drugs. Living one day at a time,'but what was I doing?
So...after some Soul searching....Stopped all illegal activity, found myself... College,'jobs, family....Fast forward 30 years...

Stable... Making a good living, knowing my self... Wanted to see how it would feel to try mushrooms again a few years ago...

Now, yes over 50... Mushrooms experiences actually mean more now. The experiences are wonderful... Feel that for me, it's more about learning more, using past experiences... I appreciate the experiences more

Set and setting.... Are ageless.... It's individuals, not stereo types.... You are who you are... Know thy self.... Stay open to new experiences....

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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: HarryL]
    #14108522 - 03/12/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think that your statements about old age are huge generalizations. I know happy, energetic 50 year olds and depressed, lethargic 21 year olds. Furthermore, some of the most interesting people I've tripped with are older people and some of the most boring, depressing people I've tripped with are my age.


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: HarryL]
    #14108994 - 03/12/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wow.  that is a little surprising for me to hear.  you can say "old age" is just mental, but the fact is, a lot of biological systems, including hormonal systems, decline in their function after 50, and there is not much you can do about it.  i mean, you don't see professional sports players after 50, and it's for a reason.  it's because they can't compete at that level anymore, biologically.

i said being older is a little like tripping because i find that i definitely do more careless little mistakes, forget where i placed something more often, lesser ability to maintain alertness and attention (driving for example), see more absurdity in the schemes of men, and other similar things you might experience when you are tripping.

i also find that after 50, it is difficult to get motivated with energy to do things, and easier to feel tired or find excuses to rest.  i am fit and athletically built, but sometimes i feel like i could sleep all day, and sometimes i do :smile:  i feel like i know why sometimes my grandfather would just fall asleep in his chair.  drinking coffee used to give me a good energy, but now, if i drink a quart of coffee (i use a 1qt glass for drinking), i feel tired almost immediately and fall asleep!  so, i think some of us do have biological changes associated with aging that cause different effects between 20 and 70.

hmmm.  it sure was interesting to hear your point of view.  i was interested to find a general concensus if tripping was a worse/same/better experience after after as 20s.

i am in a similar situation as you describe :smile:  haha.  i tried them a few years ago, after not doing them for 25 years or so, and part of me was saying "oh, i remember this, but i have things to do, when will this feeling be over with?" and it wasn't bad, but it wasn't full of the sunshine and beauty of the earth and future as say 30 years ago.  i don't feel part of a world that is making life better at this time, and i had a strong feeling of not being able to let go of time/urgency, as life tends to force us to always be productive.

i intend to do it again, but after all the things i have learned in the last 25 years, i am more averse to tripping because i don't have generally positive feelings about the state of affairs in the world.  i feel that society is more artificial, dehumanized, stupid and destructive than authentic, human, intelligent and constructive at this point in time, and i don't have a positive outlook for humanity and the earth in the foreseeable future.

but maybe it's just one of many possible perspectives.  i guess there is something positive even in destruction, because it allows new creations.  it was interesting to hear positive reports from someone over 50.

it was interesting to know that i am not the only lunatic over 50 :smile:  i never saw anyone over 50 trip before, and can't really imagine it.  will you do it at 75? :smile:  hehe.

i do think tripping is "spiritually cathartic" in a way, and it is for that reason that i would spend the energy to do it again.  but certainly not due to an energy/drive to "get high and have fun".

from my reading here, most seem to prefer the beauty, peace and freedom in nature for tripping - and i would agree with that, and think there is something profound in that.  i think nature does offer something something of great value and importance that the world of man just can't offer.


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: i18rabbit]
    #14109260 - 03/12/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lmfao
50 is not old

80 is fucking old 100 Years is old and to long to be living I believe.

50 blah u can truck er out for another generation (20 yrs)

I have tripped with a few older people once
one being 68 years old
This person would do anything under the sun LSD, Mushrooms, MDMA, smoke some cannabis from time to time. She was fine and perfectly healthy except for her lungs... AND WHY?


Smoking since the age of 5
Now thats AGE... Your only as old as you feel not as you look

I know lots of mid 50 early 60 year old men who would fuckin brawl with the best of em' and get a tooth knocked out for "old time" Sake.

I work with many people at my job and it is physical labor the older men seem to go about it like nothing at all smokin there butts all day through

Then I see the 20-25 year old doucebags draggin there ass all day hardly wokin and smokin butts then complaining HOW HARD there job is and how tired they are....

lmao
50 Is not old at all.
Tripping IS a MENTAL state U have to be Mentally Stabale Age has nothing to do with it
look at ur life
look at ur self
And your priority's and what comes first.


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One older guy I know worked on the boats for fuckin 45 years and hes tired now (age 70)
he still has energy and motivation to do lots of things

If u dont and ur 50 Its time to get off ur Lard ass of fat and go for a run stop eating shitty foods
Stop eating all those Pills and shitty medicine
STOP!
Slow down now so you have Energy for later.
This guy is hardly sick and he dosnt take NO DAILY PILLS
he eats Toast Eggs, and Meat everyday with some vegetables
And is healthier then some 20 year olds...Now that says alot about the times.. EHHH


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: i18rabbit] * 1
    #14109337 - 03/12/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Am I older than I was at 20? Of course... Biological age is what it is... And yes, humans are not going to live forever....

I feel I am smarter than I was at 20. Have learned to appreciate life, and know what good and bad things can happen... I row 3-4 days a Week, run, walk, do new things,'hike, fish, travel

Learning meditation and yoga has helped me...

Ok.... This is my opinion....'
The world is really no worse off than it always has been... WWI, civil war, WW II, great depression,'ect.... All worse than now and we have survived. There has always been bad times, and people having it rough... Sometimes, you see the best in people in times like that...

My advice
Turn off the TV, put down the newspaper... They all are going to provide the worst of the worst... Skew anyone's perception... Go outside.... Be active... Dance....Help others... And your view might improve... Focus on the negative and that is what you will see... There is so much good in the world... But it does not often make the front page cause it does not sell... you do not need to disengage, but exactly what you focus on is the point...

I would not advise tripping though, if you are already in a negative state of mind.... Downward spiral.... And not a good experience

Still about set and setting....

Will I be taking mushrooms when I am 75? If I am lucky.  Getting old does not mean giving up and stop living....

I would guess you probably DO know people over 50 who trip... You just don't know they do...

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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: HarryL]
    #14109534 - 03/12/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't really see myself using mushrooms past the age of 40. However, I could see myself using mescaline and cannabis throughout the end of my life. Each individual is different, though. What's good for me isn't necessarily good for everyone else.


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: i18rabbit]
    #14109894 - 03/12/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i18rabbit said:
1) old age is already like tripping to some degree :smile:

2) old age tends to create desires to conserve energy,
and not much enthusiasm to spend energy on a trip.

3) old age tends to make one more cynical about the world, and less interested in tripping because attitude is generally less positive.

4) so many years in the world takes a toll on the mind and spirit,
and eventually taints one's structure/being with artificial
worldly elements that are ugly and disliked when tripping.






complete and utter bullshit.


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: k00laid]
    #14110019 - 03/12/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think that tripping in a "negative" state of mind is counter-productive or bad for you in any way. In fact, I mostly trip when I'm not in that good of a mood because I find that I can sort through a lot of the bullshit in my life and pick out what's important. I believe that the altered state of awareness that psilocybin induces is a very spiritually nourishing event, and as such I usually trip when I feel like I'm needing it.

If you haven't eaten mushies since your 20's you might be overdue for a visit to the "doctor."


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: k00laid]
    #14110060 - 03/12/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Great topic!  I've pondered this many times.

I'll be 55 in a month.  I first sampled life from the other side when I was 14.  I last delved into those waters about a year ago.

I do agree there are some issues with this activity as you get older.  Most of the things you mention are true to an extent.  To me, it is the internal dialogue, the fixation on troubling aspects of one's life, that are so much more in play than when I was younger.  Also, the obvious, undeniable facts that your life does not have as much "potential" at this point, at least to some degree.  Whether you admit it or not, you know that you simply don't have all the time in the world.  Not that you ever did, but it's way easier to pretend when you're 20 than when you are 50.

Nevertheless, since I see the activity as a way to "recharge the soul", whatever that really means, there is no logical cutoff point.  The nature of the experience may change, but that is to be expected.  There is nothing sadder within this realm than those who seek to replicate certain aspects of their trips indefinitely.  Sometimes, it's time to let go of certain things.

Another related question is:  How do we elderly folks clear away enough actual time and metaphorical headspace to adequately engage in such activity?

Great subject, and for those who, being younger, don't think it applies to them, you will be amazed at how rapidly you get to this age range!

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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: dip]
    #14110140 - 03/12/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1) old age is already like tripping to some degree :smile:
I'm 52, old age is a bit of a trip, as time progresses, it gets faster and faster.  When I was a child, a week or a month or a year seemed like long times.  Now they pass by in what seems like no time at all!

2) old age tends to create desires to conserve energy,
and not much enthusiasm to spend energy on a trip.
I could not agree less.  In my teens and twenties, I'd hike and camp when I could and work when there was work to be found.  Now, I'm in school getting certified in network security, ride a bike over 100 miles a week, exercise (abs or weights) daily, take care of a family and a couple pets.  I'm  way more energetic today than I ever was before.

3) old age tends to make one more cynical about the world, and less interested in tripping because attitude is generally less positive.
Nope, wrong again.  But there is a bit of "been there, done that attitude".  I believe that older people treat younger people in a much more nurturing manner than most young people realize.

4) so many years in the world takes a toll on the mind and spirit,
and eventually taints one's structure/being with artificial
worldly elements that are ugly and disliked when tripping.
The years add to one's insight and makes tripping a much different environment.  In my teens and twenties, a strong trip was likely to get out of control, now it's a challenge and one met with experience of 5 decades of experience.  It's like the guy that has lived in the jungle all his life, he knows the shortcuts and where the food is to be found.  JMHO


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: LanLord]
    #14111748 - 03/12/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

awesome thread im only 23 now but me and my friends have
all talked a bit on this subject

thanks for sharing old-timers:wink:


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: Micawber]
    #14132630 - 03/16/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dr. hoffman felt that teens & twenty-somethings were not ideal volk for tripping...
better for people 40s, 50s, & older...
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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: gnrm23]
    #14132700 - 03/16/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I will tell you one thing about aging and mushroom use, they make me fart like nobodies business now.  Tea is okay, but the whole shroom is like taking tuba lessons.

Never used to have that problem in my teens and twenties.


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: i18rabbit]
    #14133211 - 03/16/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What hogwash.  :poopbanana:

OP, can you really be that out of touch and know SO LITTLE about folks older than yourself???  :facepalm:  Jeez!

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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: i18rabbit]
    #14139399 - 03/17/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i was wondering what anyone over 50 (if any) would say about tripping compared to when they were 20s or so.  i would guess that older people dislike it because:

1) old age is already like tripping to some degree :smile:

2) old age tends to create desires to conserve energy,
and not much enthusiasm to spend energy on a trip.

3) old age tends to make one more cynical about the world, and less interested in tripping because attitude is generally less positive.

4) so many years in the world takes a toll on the mind and spirit,
and eventually taints one's structure/being with artificial
worldly elements that are ugly and disliked when tripping.




:dudewtf: You serious?  :sasquatch: :oldman:

Don't make me come over there and pull the other one, ya hear?? :laugh2:

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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14139594 - 03/17/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Tim Leary had his first psychedelic experience in his 40s...


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In August 1960,[12] Leary traveled to Cuernavaca, Mexico with Russo and ate psilocybin mushrooms for the first time, an experience that drastically altered the course of his life.[13] In 1965, Leary commented that he "learned more about... (his) brain and its possibilities... (and) more about psychology in the five hours after taking these mushrooms than... (he) had in the preceding fifteen years of studying and doing research in psychology."[13]

Upon his return from Mexico to Harvard in 1960, Leary and his associates, notably Richard Alpert (later known as Ram Dass), began a research program known as the Harvard Psilocybin Project.




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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: i18rabbit]
    #14139706 - 03/17/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im almost 56, and I started tripping again 2 years ago, after a 35 year hiatus.  It has been a lot easier to trip now, I don't get anxiety like I used to, and I seem to handle things better.  Not bad at all for me, I enjoy it a lot more now than when I was a teenager.


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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14140875 - 03/18/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

for the older trippers>do you notice a heavier flow of information?
for me right now at 23 its already like the flood gates are wide open.i cant imagine another 40 or so years of infomation being thrown at me


i cant seem to word that right hope it makes sense
 

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Re: Over 50 Tripping [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14140972 - 03/18/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dude I can't wait to get old. I'm just going to retire to a nice ranch somewhere and build an underground lab/grow room/experimenting/tripping "cave". When you are retired and old you don't have shit to do and nobody will suspect you are doing anything "bad" or illegal-perfect time to trip your balls off all the time, like shulgin!

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