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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: joemolloy]
    #14102310 - 03/11/11 03:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Of course they're weak. They are the 'Backeberg' or 'Predominant Cultivar'(PC) of San Pedro and everybody who knows anything about cacti will tell you they're weak.

My rule of thumb with these is to start with a minimum of 18 inches for first time bioassay. Usually this is just enought to gauge effects. From here you can ramp up the length to 24-32 inches.

Try and source some real San Pedro as that cultivar is only really useful for grafting Lophophora to.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: overstand]
    #14102387 - 03/11/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Here's a grand idea. You could take those big San Pedro logs and shove them up the ass of the guy that sold them to you. If he starts tripping then it might be worth it. That asshole has to know that his San Pedro is weak. Who would grow this stuff and not try it? I recently got fucked by a flebay seller. He was selling San Pedro for a lot less than all the other sellers on the internet. I now know why.





I agree.  In his description he is sure to mention their "medicinal properties in spiritual ceremonies."  Maybe in a Mormon fucking church! 

How many feet of this shit do I need to trip?  Overstand, you tried three feet and nothing happened?


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: joemolloy]
    #14102570 - 03/11/11 06:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

im told the adition of lots of vinegar and lime/lemon juice aids in the extraction.


But dude cactus is a very forgiving and beautiful plant, people say its possible to have bad trips and freakouts on mush/cid, but it is plainly not possible to have a bad trip on mescaline.


So there should be no fear of high doses.


I think you should just get in there and prepare a shit tonne of it, well more hten what you would be tripping on , like maybe 2x or 2.5-3x as much, and just drink the sludge untill you feel a little something something.


If you want to trip on it hten you might as well go for it.



It is strange though seeing as you did both an alc extraction, and normal cook with 3 x 3 hour sets of cooking, that should be enough to get a decent ammount out of the cactus. The cuttings look the goods as well. :shrug:


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14103144 - 03/11/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Get some peruvian torch son, p. torch is usually claimed to have a  higher level of alkaloids.

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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: floatingwater]
    #14106515 - 03/11/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Here's a grand idea. You could take those big San Pedro logs and shove them up the ass of the guy that sold them to you. If he starts tripping then it might be worth it. That asshole has to know that his San Pedro is weak. Who would grow this stuff and not try it? I recently got fucked by a flebay seller. He was selling San Pedro for a lot less than all the other sellers on the internet. I now know why.





Well they are plants after all.. You could grow one for its plant presence

There are some good articles out around the internet about the americanized san pedro that you find almost everywhere and then the true pedro down in south america.. I'll see if I can find it





That is interesting. I would like to know if there really is a difference between SP and true SP.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: overstand]
    #14106608 - 03/11/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There is a difference.

A lot of SP going around is supposedly what is referred to as a "Backberg clone". Essentially, this is a cactus very similar to SP but with a lower alkaloid content.

Read Here

So far I've been pretty lucky and haven't really run into any weak SP.

...most of my experiences with Peruvian Torch, on the other hand, have been somewhat weak.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: joemolloy]
    #14106916 - 03/12/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Same thing here bro. I have taken 26" before and only got outrageously sick. I have always done some type of liquid with it too. Chopped and boiled, pureed and boild, pureed and strained. Nothing works. I have done it 5-6 times and I swore that I would never try it again. I can't even smell that shit, or I will get sick.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: joemolloy]
    #14106944 - 03/12/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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@Zenthor - I tried a tea of about 16 inches, no go.

@FractalDust - This was just skin.  The cores were tossed.





why did you toss the cores? you probably read somewhere that 95% of the mescaline is in the skin and not in the core, right?

ok, but what if whoever said that is wrong? you are throwing a lot away to not just boil it all.


also, did you water your cactus about every day? the alkaloids build up in these cactus when they don't get as much water. i suggest watering them no more than once every 10-15 days, they are cactus, they can handle it trust me, and that might help.


also, some people have better results smoking the resin, i personally have never tried this, it's needless to say that you know tha tea tastes like wood and cardboard combined, as is the flavor of cactus, i'm sure you know the flavor from smoking it is obviously going to not be much better. but you never know until you try


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #14106972 - 03/12/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe it's your attitude...the Cactus doesnt like you. Everything is "bullshit" with you :crazy2:

They sure look like good cuttings.

Have you tried stressing them? If they are healthy & in good shape wrap them up in newspaper and let them sit in a dark closet for at least 3 or 4 months. I recommend no longer than 10 months.

How long are you spending on preparing the brew? And if you are making a SP brew I would recommend using at least a full 24 inches...if not 3 or 4 feet. If you are spending any less than 20 hours on a Cactus brew you are doing it wrong.





yes. except i don't understand how you think it'll be able to sit in a closet for 10 months and not get mold on it. the cactus itself is what produces the mescaline, not some random chemical reaction. i'll give you, that when you put it in a dark place, the cactus might not dehydrate and can live quite well for awhile, but when the cactus dries up and dies, no more mescaline will be produced. although the drier they get while alive the more mescalien they should convert from whatever alkaloid is there previously, I believe tyrosine.


also remember san pedro is the weakest mescaline containing trichocereous cactus known. the indians would take like dozens of stalks, boil them in a huge pot until it could barely be boiled down anymore, then remove and the cactus, and dump the water into an even smaller pot and boil that down until it was enough for a few cups of whoever was drinking it


INSANE, lol

imagine being a kid drinking that shit and losing your mind, having a bad trip, and realizing this was the ritual your parents had been performing your whole life.


anyway, the point is, that it might have taken quite a bit.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: Cynosure]
    #14107000 - 03/12/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Sucks. :tearchalice:

I've only ever eaten dried Peruvian Torch cuttings.. and they were fantastic! :thumbup:

I wish you luck this Saturday.





yeah, peruvianus torch has quite a fucking punch doesn't it. and you can take a cutting and make it grow a foot in a year. it's a pretty worthwhile plant. I'm surprised peyote is the most famous one, and not peruvian torch.


i currently have 15 peruvian torch cactus, and only 3 of them were the originals i bought. they are all a foot tall, and really only bought the original 3 four years ago, all the rest are cuttings of the original. i will one day plant them in a backyard. if i had done so awhile ago, who knows i could have fucking 100 by now. oh well.

i offered a few for trade awhile ago, but then i have no pics, and i don't think anyone was interested anyway. i'd still be down, but what a pain in the ass it is to cut them they have so many spines.:shrug:


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14107009 - 03/12/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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im told the adition of lots of vinegar and lime/lemon juice aids in the extraction.


But dude cactus is a very forgiving and beautiful plant, people say its possible to have bad trips and freakouts on mush/cid, but it is plainly not possible to have a bad trip on mescaline.


So there should be no fear of high doses.


I think you should just get in there and prepare a shit tonne of it, well more hten what you would be tripping on , like maybe 2x or 2.5-3x as much, and just drink the sludge untill you feel a little something something.


If you want to trip on it hten you might as well go for it.



It is strange though seeing as you did both an alc extraction, and normal cook with 3 x 3 hour sets of cooking, that should be enough to get a decent ammount out of the cactus. The cuttings look the goods as well. :shrug:





where the hell do people always get the idea that one psychedelic won't give you a bad trip? i've taken mescaline that seemed way stronger than acid before. i mean the shit can be pretty strong. i'm pretty sure anything with capabilities around that of lsd in terms of psychedelia can give you a bad trip. i mean if it isn't capable of blowing your mind into proportions previously not understood, then is it really psychedelic?


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: imachavel]
    #14107011 - 03/12/11 01:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Here's a grand idea. You could take those big San Pedro logs and shove them up the ass of the guy that sold them to you. If he starts tripping then it might be worth it. That asshole has to know that his San Pedro is weak. Who would grow this stuff and not try it? I recently got fucked by a flebay seller. He was selling San Pedro for a lot less than all the other sellers on the internet. I now know why.





Well they are plants after all.. You could grow one for its plant presence

There are some good articles out around the internet about the americanized san pedro that you find almost everywhere and then the true pedro down in south america.. I'll see if I can find it





That is interesting. I would like to know if there really is a difference between SP and true SP.





I've seen people saying that they need at least 18 inches for any effect.  I looked specifically for non-blackberg pedro and only need a 5 inch by 2.5-3 inch cutting for noticable effects and mild visuals.

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Maybe it's your attitude...the Cactus doesnt like you. Everything is "bullshit" with you :crazy2:

They sure look like good cuttings.

Have you tried stressing them? If they are healthy & in good shape wrap them up in newspaper and let them sit in a dark closet for at least 3 or 4 months. I recommend no longer than 10 months.

How long are you spending on preparing the brew? And if you are making a SP brew I would recommend using at least a full 24 inches...if not 3 or 4 feet. If you are spending any less than 20 hours on a Cactus brew you are doing it wrong.





yes. except i don't understand how you think it'll be able to sit in a closet for 10 months and not get mold on it. .




I've kept cuttings for about that long and the're fine, no mold at all.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: joemolloy]
    #14107023 - 03/12/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Here's a grand idea. You could take those big San Pedro logs and shove them up the ass of the guy that sold them to you. If he starts tripping then it might be worth it. That asshole has to know that his San Pedro is weak. Who would grow this stuff and not try it? I recently got fucked by a flebay seller. He was selling San Pedro for a lot less than all the other sellers on the internet. I now know why.





I agree.  In his description he is sure to mention their "medicinal properties in spiritual ceremonies."  Maybe in a Mormon fucking church! 

How many feet of this shit do I need to trip?  Overstand, you tried three feet and nothing happened?




I tryed 2 and a half nothing happened that I could describe as a trip.

@Remix thanks for the link. I was wondering what the shamans in Peru would think if that brewed some of that shitty SP that I got. They would probably think the gods were mad at them. In my situation I blame the seller. He knowingly sold some bullshit. Its about the same thing as a pot dealer selling shake from swag weed as if it was kind bud.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: donteatasians]
    #14107034 - 03/12/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well, they need to be properly dried out first, if they aren't, they can and will definately get mold, long before 9 months. the place needs to definitely get very very very mild humidity.

also, everyone tolerance to psychedelics is completely different. some people take the same amount, one person is tripping balls, another person is like "wtf, is anything going on different? stomach is tingly"


really hard to compare such a sure amount of cactus, when each cactus might have different alkaloid content depending on how it was grown, which amount will for sure get a person high or not. some people suggest 6 inches, others say 3 feet barely effects them. all the factors factor in.


i boiled 6 inches of my peruvian and tripped for 2 days a little bit the 3rd day. someone else boiled 2 feet of them and said he felt nothing. goes to show.


on another level, me and this guy once took 2 sugar cubes. i felt nothing and he tripped balls off his sugar cube. the next day i said i couldn't believe there was acid on there. so he had one left, i sucked on it until it was about halfway gone. i sucked on each side equally so he couldn't tell me "you didn't taste the side that had the acid on it." after a bit i didn't feel anything and gave him the rest, he said he tripped mad balls that night:shrug:


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: imachavel]
    #14107062 - 03/12/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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well, they need to be properly dried out first, if they aren't, they can and will definately get mold, long before 9 months. the place needs to definitely get very very very mild humidity.

also, everyone tolerance to psychedelics is completely different. some people take the same amount, one person is tripping balls, another person is like "wtf, is anything going on different? stomach is tingly"


really hard to compare such a sure amount of cactus, when each cactus might have different alkaloid content depending on how it was grown, which amount will for sure get a person high or not. some people suggest 6 inches, others say 3 feet barely effects them. all the factors factor in.


i boiled 6 inches of my peruvian and tripped for 2 days a little bit the 3rd day. someone else boiled 2 feet of them and said he felt nothing. goes to show.


on another level, me and this guy once took 2 sugar cubes. i felt nothing and he tripped balls off his sugar cube. the next day i said i couldn't believe there was acid on there. so he had one left, i sucked on it until it was about halfway gone. i sucked on each side equally so he couldn't tell me "you didn't taste the side that had the acid on it." after a bit i didn't feel anything and gave him the rest, he said he tripped mad balls that night:shrug:





I haven't dried them out. :shrug:  All they've done is throw some roots out, so no, you don't have to dry them to store them.

All I'm saying as far as amounts are concerned is that pedros are'nt as weak as most people think.  I think most are just getting poorly cared for/ weak cacti, or blackbergs.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: donteatasians]
    #14107634 - 03/12/11 06:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It is well known that boiling your cacti reduces potency of alkaloid content, if your cacti is one of the many out there which are low in alkaloids already then your probably boiling off what little potency they have.

Eat the fucker raw and you will know for sure, just mix your powder in a small glass of fruit juice and knock it back in one go, if you get nothing from 100 grams your cacti is weak, simple as that! Stop eating it unless your wanting it for nutritional content

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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: Remix]
    #14107671 - 03/12/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There is a difference.

A lot of SP going around is supposedly what is referred to as a "Backberg clone". Essentially, this is a cactus very similar to SP but with a lower alkaloid content.

Read Here

So far I've been pretty lucky and haven't really run into any weak SP.

...most of my experiences with Peruvian Torch, on the other hand, have been somewhat weak.




I spent some time on that website in your post.  It's no help, they all look about the same to me.  I've had San Pedro from Home Depot that was powerful as hell that looked like the "pachoinots" from that site.  It's always crapshoot with San Pedro unless you propagated your own strong cuttings.  Otherwise, its just some guys word and a random cactus sent through the mail.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: GGTBod]
    #14107675 - 03/12/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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It is well known that boiling your cacti reduces potency of alkaloid content, if your cacti is one of the many out there which are low in alkaloids already then your probably boiling off what little potency they have.

Eat the fucker raw and you will know for sure, just mix your powder in a small glass of fruit juice and knock it back in one go, if you get nothing from 100 grams your cacti is weak, simple as that! Stop eating it unless your wanting it for nutritional content




That's too hardcore for me.  I'm getting dry heaves just considering your post. 

I just ate the equivalent of 170 dried grams of this weak ass San Pedro from an Everclear extraction.  We'll see where this takes me.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: imachavel]
    #14107687 - 03/12/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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why did you toss the cores? you probably read somewhere that 95% of the mescaline is in the skin and not in the core, right?

ok, but what if whoever said that is wrong? you are throwing a lot away to not just boil it all.







I don't think the cores have much because I've tripped on the same cactus as a tea brewed up with the core and as an Everclear extraction without the core and both felt about the same.


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Re: Bullshit San Pedro [Re: joemolloy]
    #14107709 - 03/12/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Personally i don't think the extraction is worth it ... i went through twenty ft one time and ended up with 2.25 g of  recrystallized product. Which was one of the most tedious extractions Ive ever done.... took over three months. But i did learn a alot of new things that probably couldn't have been taught to me by anybody other than experience.

The product was great and had i had some great trips but the time effort could be used for something else that is alot more beneficial.

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