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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14102840 - 03/11/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Synesthetic said:
Saying we should give corporate tax breaks so they'll open up shop here is pretty selfish and stupid, because if they do magically move back and hire a bunch of people, that means you took someone else's job.





we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world and frankle, what to I care if some guy in india doesnt have a job, I too have kids to feed and unlike most, I cant qualify for food stamps

are you aware that there's 30 million out of work in the US, there's also 27
million illegal aliens in the US, Mexico has a 5% unemployment rate and half
of our auto manufacturing, clothing manufacturing, etc... should we have just
handed the automakers billions so they could close more plants in the US and
send them to mexico? you think those high taxes had anything to do with
them leaving? how about the fact that they can send the goods back to the
US and not be taxed

yeah... we should keep giving all the jobs to other nations, that way we
can all live on welfare and never have to work again




Holy....fuck... I agree with pris, Those trade agreements did some serious damage to your already ailing economy

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: memes]
    #14102842 - 03/11/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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meams said:
:shrug:

If tax breaks don't incentivize corporations, tell me where all the credit card companies are based and why.

Or, just show me some proof that it simply pads the pockets of CEOs and fails to create jobs.



awesome, meams... now i am ignored by heartshead, but i... don't agree with your position with him.

he is probably... not aware, nor caring about how the politics works.

as it's all bullshit and we all know it... and your position, if it is in agreeance with him, should be left at just that.

all the "ideas" you are posing are useful for no one in this PARTICULAR thread on the subject, because clearly this isn't a thread to talk about future plans or ways to solve or understand the actually moves being made, as we all know... this thread is about proving how innately bullshit US or any politics are and who it clearly favors as candidates for progress.

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14102853 - 03/11/11 08:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
I think the biggest problem with America right now is that people are just too fucking distracted to participate in politics. We don't take any of what we hear about elections or budgets seriously anymore. It's gone completely beyond our comprehension when we regularly hear about the government flushing trillions of dollars they don't have down the toilet. None of it makes sense anymore. The credibility is completely gone, like dust in the wind.

It tends to blind us to how much power we actually DO have in the democracy that we've held onto, because there really is still a lot left. We are suffering from vertigo. This is caused by primarily paying attention to federal politics. We live in local political systems, and those local political systems remain quite responsive to our demands.

We've just been teased out of faith in our privilege to make any demands at all.

Pretty fucked.





THIS!

I am taking a local/state politics course in college right now and one of the first things I learned is that there is a huge voter turnout for elections in the same year of presidential elections but the elections in off years have far less interest.  And as you said, this is highly ironic as local government is much more relevant and responsive to the matters that directly matter to YOU.  For example, cities and towns can have different regulations and laws in how much they enforce drug crimes.

A lot of people complain that they are unable to change anything in this country and that they feel hopeless or whatever, but I think if everyone just used their right to actually vote and invested a sizable chunk of their time into local politics our voices would be heard.  People are trying to change things at the federal level....we have to change them locally and at the state level first to be taken seriously.

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: snitchelpowerz37]
    #14105933 - 03/11/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

But does it really matter at this point?? The whole show is "republican" now and
I think that was by design. Everything is by design. These fuckers have so much "money"
they can do whatever they like. And we are seeing (right in front of our eyes) that
they are alomst testing the boundaries (so to speak) or maybe they are just doing
what they KNOW they can get away with.

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14107015 - 03/12/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i have and will continue to fail to understand the good reason behind taxing the poor more and giving tax breaks and bailouts to the rich, big business, and big banks.

it defies me.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #14107235 - 03/12/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Theres a method to there madness man you see they tax the poor more create even more vagrants and put even more strain on those that are struggling to make ends meet to put up business to generate revenue which depends on the lower class....oh wait. :facepalm:

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14107614 - 03/12/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
But does it really matter at this point?? The whole show is "republican" now and
I think that was by design. Everything is by design. These fuckers have so much "money"
they can do whatever they like. And we are seeing (right in front of our eyes) that
they are alomst testing the boundaries (so to speak) or maybe they are just doing
what they KNOW they can get away with.





incorrect, we have a republican majority in the house and a democratic
majority in the senate with a democrat president, this is called balance
because if one votes the other can shoot it down or stall it and the pres
can veto it, then it would take a 2/3 majority in th house to apss it
without an additional vote and prevent a veto, something what isnt going
to happen because republicans dont hold that kind of majority

now while you may believe this crap you are spewing it's simply untrue,
after bush the democrats held an overwhelming majority in both chambers,
this brought us the health insurance reform bill even though nearly 80% of
the public disagreed with it's passage and it gave us more cronyism
politics, now what you're hearing about 'republican/conservative' is crap
like Racheal Madcows inane rambling and outright lies, it's no different
than Rush Limbaugh, a partisan hack

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: snitchelpowerz37]
    #14107629 - 03/12/11 05:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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steezemachinee said:
  People are trying to change things at the federal level....we have to change them locally and at the state level first to be taken seriously.




we need to change things on the federal level because the feds have
overstepped their bounds, they've stripped the states of the right
to choose what laws they want that can generate revenues and allow
their citizens those freedoms, a prime example is California and the
MMJ raids, Cali says it's legal but the feds have made laws prohibiting
it and have busted people for over a decade because of it, it doesnt
matter what happens on the state level if the feds are not complying
with the wishes of the states

first step, tell the feds to fuck off and restore states rights so that
the people of the states can decide what's appropriate for them without
having to fear federal charges for something the state determines to be
legal for the people

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14107633 - 03/12/11 06:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Theres a method to there madness man you see they tax the poor more create even more vagrants and put even more strain on those that are struggling to make ends meet to put up business to generate revenue which depends on the lower class....oh wait. :facepalm:





no, 60% of america pays no income tax and infact gets money back that wasnt
paid in by them which offsets that that was paid via sales taxes, the top 2%
of the nation pays the majority of taxes in the US and most of that is at a
far higher tax rate than anyone else is paying


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AlteredAgain said:
i have and will continue to fail to understand the good reason behind taxing the poor more and giving tax breaks and bailouts to the rich, big business, and big banks.

it defies me.





how exactly are the poor being taxed more?

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14107662 - 03/12/11 06:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Theres a method to there madness man you see they tax the poor more create even more vagrants and put even more strain on those that are struggling to make ends meet to put up business to generate revenue which depends on the lower class....oh wait. :facepalm:




i used to play Sim city alot when i was younger so i feel im the most qualified person to respond to this, u tax businesses and they go out of business, you tax the people and they just brush there teef less often to make up the difference.

Really thats about what it boils down to, also businesses provide infrastructure, they full fill roles of the government for free, aka make them more powerful but at the same time make the business a tiny bit more powerful as well.

Now think of the united states as one big hotel, the world is a big place, people will always have to full fill the role of people, if we fail we get locked up for various reasons, so we either play ball or we get replaced.

Its fairly simple to see why they don't care about the people and cater to the businesses.  You can take the people away all you want(not like they really have anywhere to go), but you don't touch the glass doors, they always remain polished and open for the new generation of kids with less brains and brawns than before.

Truth be told, when this watson computer shit really starts to take off, thats when shits gunna hit the fan, the people become even more worthless...


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: blujay]
    #14108141 - 03/12/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Unemployment isn't being caused by taxes. It's being caused by mechanization, and it's a global issue.

Even if those corporations move to the US, they're going to use the cheapest labor (machine labor) to operate. They're not going to pass on technology that's faster, more efficient, and less expensive just because we're in an unemployment crisis. Within a decade, the Watson technology will probably start mechanizing things like technical support, and who knows what other advances will come to replace human labor.

The idea of selling labor for income was needed for a long time, but even at the current state of technology, it's starting to lose its relevance. Unemployment's going to keep going up because not enough people have the education to maintain the machines that are taking their jobs, and they won't have the money to get that education.




If you have no idea how Watson works, and what Watson is, you shouldn't use Watson as a precedent for the advancement of artificial intelligence. Unless the problem you're having with your Macbook is that you're having trouble determining every possible move and permutation of moves there-out in response to a chess master's decision and then finding the probabilities of success, Watson will not be able to help you.

Also voice recognition is nowhere near capable of handling the incredible variety of dialects, languages, and accents that humans blather out; never mind our ability to use grammar in backwards ways and still understand each other.

That said, computers/robots will probably continue to replace humans for specific tasks. So your point is solid, just not the example.




Watson archived terabytes of information in its RAM which it is able to search through using cues from natural language to find the most probable answer, as well as listing other possible answers. If, instead of giving it a massive amount of information on a lot of subjects so it can compete in a trivia game, you fed it full of medical information, it would be able to suggest treatments and tests for patients.

I never said Watson itself is AI, it's just another big step towards AI. It's completely different than a search engine, which is just looking for the same combination of characters you put in it on all the web pages it can find.

Also, the computer that plays chess is Deep Blue, not Watson, and unlike Deep Blue, Watson isn't a one-trick-pony. Playing Jeopardy was just a fun little challenge IBM wanted to do when they were already working on finding a way to make computers understand and respond to natural language, which is a huge problem in voice recognition software.

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