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thexcellence420
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Pure Genius or just high
#14104248 - 03/11/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't find anything on this/at the moment don't feel like searching ha (honestly). Only those with experience would see a reason this won't work because I can't see one....
Has anyone ever tried to take 100% colonized myc (Mine would be verm/BRF) grind it up just like when making the brf, and then stir it up in vermiculite?
I'm guessing it wouldn't kill the myc, and contamination could be taken care of in a glove box. What do the wise ones think?
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Spawning to wet verm is standard practice, search on 'rez effect'.
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: Doc_T]
#14104560 - 03/11/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why would you want to do this though?
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: bbt0009]
#14104771 - 03/11/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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holds a good amount of water
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: magnumzero]
#14104872 - 03/11/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just high.
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: magnumzero]
#14104877 - 03/11/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm not a "wise one" but with nothing for the shrooms to feed on they would most certainly die, unless they fed on the nutrients in the water. worth a shot to check it out and see if it works, but my guess is that it wouldn't.
but also i havent checked out the effect someone was talking about
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: Adam553]
#14105100 - 03/11/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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just high
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: bbt0009]
#14107138 - 03/12/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just figured if you ground myc and mixed it with verm you could cover surface area faster and get more for less ha. I think it would work
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i think your just high lol.
As stated above^ verm doesn't have nutrients so the Myc would probably just thin out and die.
Now if you added BRF to that verm then maybe... but its almost certainly going to contam.
Also you would need a-lot of spawn (more spawn then verm) to even make this plausible.. so "more for less" is out of the picture.
Break up that cake(s) and spawn to a bulk sub. that'll get er done
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NamRedruM0016 said: i think your just high lol.
As stated above^ verm doesn't have nutrients so the Myc would probably just thin out and die.
Now if you added BRF to that verm then maybe... but its almost certainly going to contam.
Also you would need a-lot of spawn (more spawn then verm) to even make this plausible.. so "more for less" is out of the picture.
Break up that cake(s) and spawn to a bulk sub. that'll get er done
Agree with most, but Verm actually does have nutrient value.
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Technically yes. I do realize it has some. but not too much from what i understand. And certainly not enough to support healthy myc growth.
i realize you posted to help me out (to correct me if i thought there was absolutely no nutes) and for that i thank you.
Just figured that as far as its relevance to this thread goes, verm doesn't have nutes/not enough anyway
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I wasn't being a dick ...its all good
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Lol. yep its all good 
On another note: Fresh porn anyone?

one of my FC's currently. just picked a 60g wet mushie off the bottom right hand cake yesterday. my biggest too date
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Did Helen Keller drill those holes for you? 
Looks good though man, have some good sets on those cakes
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: Doc_T]
#14107455 - 03/12/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you guys read the thread before responding?
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Doc_T said: Spawning to wet verm is standard practice, search on 'rez effect'.
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: Doc_T]
#14107749 - 03/12/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A rhetorical question I assume, Doc. Good point. RTFT, folks... (read the fucking thread)
I've had mixed results with things like rez and using cakes as spawn to manure/verm/gyp. Some have gone great. The last manure slab I did before winter set in was amazing. But 1 in 4 or so, the mycelium just grows through the new sub fast and sloppy-like, not really colonizing the matter but just going through. Perhaps a pinning hormone, or a pre-cursor thereof has been released and the mycelium is no longer in normal vegetative growth, it's just in a hurry to get to the coast...
The flushes from slab-cakes like that were smaller than properly solid ones. One slight "advantage" I found from these cakes is that they are very easy to get a good rope of fibers to isolate from. I pull a rope off of the edge, and it's pretty well isolated already.
A small silver lining to a big cloud of , but it's something.
Next time I shoot up jars, I will keep a couple in total darkness, spawn just a day or two past 100% and keep everything 100% dark after that. (I probably peek too much) It may be pinning signals that are fucking things up.
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: mathias]
#14107914 - 03/12/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What the hell is this crap I read above, saying there's no nutrients in vermiculite?
Why do you suppose the brf tek is 2/3 verm? Because fungi has need of minerals, that's why. I want to rip someone's ears off when I read verm has no 'nutes'. There's lots of material that will hold as much water as vermiculite, such as peatmoss, sand, coir, cardboard, shredded newspapers, and about ten thousand others, but verm is what we use because it has many of the minerals that mushrooms want, as does gypsum.
However, brf cakes are already 2/3 verm so find another nutrient source if you want to move on from there. RR
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lmao. i dont get it 
care to elaborate lol? (about the hellan keller thing lol)
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14108893 - 03/12/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh crap i pissed RR off lol. sry
Are minerals and nutes the same thing essentially?
i was under the assumption that verm was for the water retention and that the bfr supplied the nutes. sorry for the false info guys.
So will verm support myc growth with no additives?
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the few times i did do cakes, i didn't like the results ( since my first grow was grains spawned to a bulk monotub )
ended up taking them and rez-effecting them to straight verm and got way better results then i ever did with the cakes themself
allthough spawning to a coir/verm or manure does even better..
and nam, have you not seen mycelium colonize some of your verm barrier on cakes? in my lil experience with them i noticed that myc colonized a good portion of my verm barrier all it takes is for it to get a bit moist and myc will colonize it as well.
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: biologys]
#14108974 - 03/12/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: the few times i did do cakes, i didn't like the results ( since my first grow was grains spawned to a bulk monotub )
ended up taking them and rez-effecting them to straight verm and got way better results then i ever did with the cakes themself
allthough spawning to a coir/verm or manure does even better..
and nam, have you not seen mycelium colonize some of your verm barrier on cakes? in my lil experience with them i noticed that myc colonized a good portion of my verm barrier all it takes is for it to get a bit moist and myc will colonize it as well.
Interesting: yes i have seen the MYC colonize my verm layer. i guess i just wasn't thinking. but even then the myc is really wispy and thinned out, cant see how one could fruit off of it. but i guess thts not the point lol. im going to look into this (rez effect). my curiosity has been sparked
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Verm alone is not enough, but it does have many essential minerals. BRF/rye/what-have-you is used for the carbohydrate compounds we need. These are very rich in carbs, brf especially.
I *suspect* that what happens in rez effect and similar teks is that the original cake still has a good amount of nutrients and carbs left, and the mycelium can grow more than the original volume of the cake. It just needs more room and moisture.
This may account for some of the variation in performance between cakes, and the seeming hit-and-miss nature of using cakes as spawn in one way or another. For example, before I waited for pins and just birthed at 100% +7 days, I had some cakes develop a sticky sheen a day or two after dunking. Many times they'd turn out normal, but a few days later in pinning and all. Usually very fuzzy too, aerial mycelium and so on. About 1/4 of the sticky ones would have cobweb problems, or succumb to dread green after a flush or two. Some would just sulk and turn all blue, even though they're getting the exact same treatment that all the perfect white and pinning cakes are getting. 
If there are simple carbohydrates remaining in the cake, they could dissolved during dunking and leech out to the surface as they slowly dry in the FC. Like a sugar-coating to entice contaminates.
A theory, at least.
I've not seen this since I started the habit of waiting for pins, so it could be some phenomenon that is thwarted by the presence of pinning hormones, or counteracted by pinning and the fibrous growth that precedes it. Perhaps once pinning starts, all these sugars get quickly consumed as opposed to sitting around un-eaten if the myc has not decided it's time yet.
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Re: Pure Genius or just high [Re: mathias]
#14114069 - 03/13/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks Mathias, that was very helpful. Good point
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Bottom line, IME using cakes for spawn or res, getting them right after 100% is crucial. One or two days past 100% and I pull 'em. Keep everything as dark as possible, including the whatever-it-is you're doing. Then be sure to keep the new sub totally dark. Pinning triggers are your enemy at this point.
Hm, for straight rez, maybe 3-4 days after 100%. Not sure.
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