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alexc
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#14104083 - 03/11/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm wondering what the different plateau levels feel like? and what dosage levels are required to reach said levels.
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Re: DXM [Re: alexc]
#14104100 - 03/11/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Stolen from The Dextroverse:
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PLATEAUS
DXM has notably different effects at different dosage levels. There are 4 distinctive levels, and we call these levels "plateaus". Most recreational use happens during the first and second plateau. Doses are measured in mg/kg or milligrams per kilogram. So to find your dosage take your weight in kg (pounds divided by 2.2), and then divide it by how many total milligrams your taking. It is hard to describe how any of these plateaus feel, because DXM is one of those things you have to experience to know.
• 1st Plateau: 1.5-2.5 mg/kg This is the weakest level. This feels slightly intoxicating, a little light headed. Some music euphoria is noticable
• 2nd Plateau: 2.5-7.5 mg/kg This level is often compared to being stoned and drunk at the sametime. When this might seem true, there is also a noticably strong "mental" high also. You can have trouble talking with slurring, and can have a hard time carrying on an indepth conversation, because your short-term memory can be temporarily impared. And occasionally you can have mild hallucinations.
• 3rd Plateau: 7.5-15 mg/kg This level has strong intoxications and hallucinations. Things can become very confusing as your thinking processes are disturbed. You can sometimes daze-off into your own world, and get lost in your own mind. Trips in this plateau can sometimes be unpleasant.
• 4th Plateau: +15 mg/kg This is the strongest level. This is a sub-anesthetic dose, and can be compared to a high dose of Ketamine. Your mind and body become seperated at this level and it can become dangerous psychologically, and physically. Personally I say that you should never have to go this high, it can be very dangerous. But whatever you do, NEVER go past 20 mg/kg (about 2000mg for a 220lb person), this can become very toxic and kill you.
There is also a plateau, or two (say some here at the Shroomery), beyond that. However, you shouldn't be interested in those until you have some experience under your belt.
In my opinion, the first plateau isn't worth hitting but you always recognize it about 40 minutes after ingestion. The second plateau resembles being drunk but in a very dark, metaphysical type way. Expect difficulty with walking, speech, cognition, etc. from the second plateau on. The third plateau is where you (as a first time user) will experience OEV's (everything will look abnormal, differently sized/shaped, and often morph- this 'magic' tends to decrease with continued usage, at that point everything's ratio is just off); this is the plateau most people tend to hang around as you can close your eyes and drift off into the Dextroverse. The fourth plateau sweeps you quickly through the first three plateaus and dumps you wherever it pleases; it tends to leave me in a mess of confusion experiencing the past, present, and future all at the same time.
This, of course, is the quickest summary I could produce.
Be safe, and please spread out your doses.
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Cynosure said: Stolen from The Dextroverse:
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PLATEAUS
DXM has notably different effects at different dosage levels. There are 4 distinctive levels, and we call these levels "plateaus". Most recreational use happens during the first and second plateau. Doses are measured in mg/kg or milligrams per kilogram. So to find your dosage take your weight in kg (pounds divided by 2.2), and then divide it by how many total milligrams your taking. It is hard to describe how any of these plateaus feel, because DXM is one of those things you have to experience to know.
• 1st Plateau: 1.5-2.5 mg/kg This is the weakest level. This feels slightly intoxicating, a little light headed. Some music euphoria is noticable
• 2nd Plateau: 2.5-7.5 mg/kg This level is often compared to being stoned and drunk at the sametime. When this might seem true, there is also a noticably strong "mental" high also. You can have trouble talking with slurring, and can have a hard time carrying on an indepth conversation, because your short-term memory can be temporarily impared. And occasionally you can have mild hallucinations.
• 3rd Plateau: 7.5-15 mg/kg This level has strong intoxications and hallucinations. Things can become very confusing as your thinking processes are disturbed. You can sometimes daze-off into your own world, and get lost in your own mind. Trips in this plateau can sometimes be unpleasant.
• 4th Plateau: +15 mg/kg This is the strongest level. This is a sub-anesthetic dose, and can be compared to a high dose of Ketamine. Your mind and body become seperated at this level and it can become dangerous psychologically, and physically. Personally I say that you should never have to go this high, it can be very dangerous. But whatever you do, NEVER go past 20 mg/kg (about 2000mg for a 220lb person), this can become very toxic and kill you.
There is also a plateau, or two (say some here at the Shroomery), beyond that. However, you shouldn't be interested in those until you have some experience under your belt.
In my opinion, the first plateau isn't worth hitting but you always recognize it about 40 minutes after ingestion. The second plateau resembles being drunk but in a very dark, metaphysical type way. The third plateau is where you (as a first time user) will experience OEV's (everything will look abnormal, differently sized/shaped, and often morph); this is the plateau most people tend to hang around as you can close your eyes and drift off into the Dextroverse. The fourth plateau sweeps you quickly through the first three plateaus and dumps you wherever it pleases; it tends to leave me in a mess of confusion experiencing the past, present, and future all at the same time.
This, of course, is the quickest summary I could produce.
Be safe, and please spread out your doses.
I'm sort of confused, how many mgs exactly, it says 1.5? but a gelcap for example already has 15 to begin with?
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Re: DXM [Re: alexc]
#14104132 - 03/11/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It says 1.5mg of Dextromethorphan per kg of body weight.
So, say I weigh 150lbs and want to take 300mg of DXM.
150lb = 68kg
300mg/68kg = ~4.4mg/kg
4.4mg/kg would put me in the middle of the second plateau.
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Cynosure said: It says 1.5mg of Dextromethorphan per kg of body weight.
So, say I weigh 150lbs and want to take 300mg of DXM.
150lb = 68kg
300mg/68kg = ~4.4mg/kg
4.4mg/kg would put me in the middle of the second plateau.
I'm not that great at math haha so say someone weighs 120 and wants to reach the 3rd plateau. How much would be required?
Edited by alexc (03/11/11 02:07 PM)
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Re: DXM [Re: alexc]
#14104184 - 03/11/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Woah, false quotes! .. 
You would need at least 408mg to reach the third plateau and wouldn't want to go over 816mg. Assuming you're in perfect health, I'd recommend that you take about 600mg for a solid, but not overwhelming, 3rd plateau trip.
However, everyone metabolizes it differently. You could be extremely sensitive to the material, or you could be fairly resistant. Your best bet would be to start off with a low dose (200mg?) and gauge what the descriptions say you should feel and how you actually feel. After this trial run, wait a month and dose again according to where you feel comfortable (possibly the 600mg).
Dextromethorphan is very hard on the body. If you have any underlying heart, blood, stomach, or liver problems you might want to reconsider.
I highly suggest that you read through William White's FAQ : http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/ (it's a little outdated, but still has lots of important information). I've read it a few times now.
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alexc
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I meant 120 pounds, which is I think 60 kgs? I'm just making sure I wasn't being vague with the 120 (leaving out the pounds part)
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Re: DXM [Re: alexc]
#14104205 - 03/11/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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120 pounds = 54.4310844 kilograms
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I love and hate DXM so much.
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Re: DXM [Re: alexc]
#14104732 - 03/11/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My first trip ever was at 600 mgs, and I weighed same as you then (120lbs). I would recommend that, it was just right really. Good time, just be careful about melding with the carpet- people stepping on you may be a concern lol!
Good luck.
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use a dxm calculator for finding the right dose.
http://dxm.darkridge.com/calc.html
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That calculator has the plateaus much lower than I have previously seen. This puts my recommended dose of 600mg's pas the 4th plat maximum
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I think dextroverse is where you should start or maybe spend some time on the erowid website.
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alexc
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whats with the itch
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Re: DXM [Re: alexc]
#14107560 - 03/12/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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alexc said: whats with the itch
The robo itch, is the most annoyiest thing ever. Starts out as a little itch, bu the more you scratch, the itchier it gets, causing for more scratching, causing it to get even worst and so on. Trust me, you dont wanna get the itch.
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Cynosure
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Luckily, I've had over 100 experiences with Dextromethorphan and have never succumbed to the robo itch.
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Cynosure said:

Luckily, I've had over 100 experiences with Dextromethorphan and have never succumbed to the robo itch.
You're a lucky fuck. It has happened to me about 5 times and each time IT IS THE MOST VICIOUS CYCLE EVER
I want to say that the magic is gone from DXM for me but I haven't done a really solid 3P dose + smoked on that in a good year (been sticking to 1P - 2P doses) so maybe I should just do a straight gram one of these days and see... I want to go deep, but I don't want to broked meh brain temporarily
Edited by sunset_mission (03/12/11 10:03 AM)
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Cynosure
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Same same =(
The "visual magic" ended for me quickly as I abused quite often. But I remember taking 2-3 plateau doses and walking around outside. I miss controlling the pavement, grass, trees, and other entities with my mind! I also remember being able to sit at a lake and have open eye out of body experiences.
The "internal magic" ended for me about a year after (near my 100th dose mark). I was no longer able to close my eyes and travel about the planes. A 3rd plateau dose at this point seemed to resemble the 4th where I was just left in a huge mind-fuck orgy for 8 hours. =(
It has been about a year since I've dosed, as well. I've been debating on whether or not I'd like to take another go at it.
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One 5oz of Delsym (888mgs) down the hatch. Beautiful day today. Mad weed and salvia. You know the deal. Gonna spend this trip in silence and meditate.    
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alexc
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sunset_mission said: One 5oz of Delsym (888mgs) down the hatch. Beautiful day today. Mad weed and salvia. You know the deal. Gonna spend this trip in silence and meditate.     
Have fun!
I honestly barely recall even typing the itch question haha, but it was in response to SWIM having that issue. I personally had no issue. I ended up dosing 540 mgs. I was gone.
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Re: DXM [Re: alexc]
#14110097 - 03/12/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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For the record, DXM in conjunction any other drug WILL MAKE YOU EXPERIENCE THAT DRUG TO ITS NEAR-MAXIMUM POTENTIAL! Psychedelics on a dissociated mind are a very interesting combination as I feel as though I get 'unplugged' on DXM, whereas the psychedelics will make new connections in the 'unplugged' state, and I end up going further down the rabbit hole... I have tested this with yopo (bufotenine, 5-meo-dmt) on a DXM afterglow and it was the only time I tripped from yopo and effectively witnessed my living room become Majin Buu's stomach.
Dried leaf salvia smoked, which only induces a deep meditative state/occasional cannabis-esque stoning and makes weed feel very "a scanner darkly"-like and trippy will seriously wreck your shit on DXM. And I'm not even peaking.
I do believe the next 12 hours will be... quite interesting.          
Edited by sunset_mission (03/12/11 05:23 PM)
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