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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103863 - 03/11/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't have links...  But the science behind mushrooms producing a spiritual/religious experience is wildly known and held to be valid among scholars.

Harvard's Good Friday Experiment
John's Hopkins University
UCLA

There is physical evidence and plenty of research going on.

Decent to me is enough.





This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom.  And decent to you is not enough in a debate forum.  Try the mystery forum for nonsense posting.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: NetDiver]
    #14103881 - 03/11/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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(despite the fact that it's FAR from widely accepted)




I may think that it is more accepted than it is.
And I was speaking of a specific educated audience.

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And I'm pretty sure that's not what most people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer."




The question in the OP is 'to what?'
I outlined a possible context.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14103888 - 03/11/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom.




Dude...  It has to do with a food in the wilderness producing a spiritual/religious experience.

You all are missing something.:eek:

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103904 - 03/11/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's your interpretation of it; certainly isn't mine, or probably anybody else's who follows Christianity.




You are wrong.  And, your assertion is ignorant.


So that isn't your interpretation of it?


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Prove that it's logical and respected, or STFU. Do you even know what logic is? Do you really think bare assertions are logical? :imslow:




Its far from a bare assertion.  No you STFU.:lol:


What you've provided thus far in this discussion are bare assertions, you haven't once provided any actual evidence when asked to.


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...or even slightly supported by evidence.




What is the question?  Evidence?  For what?


Go look back and see for yourself, I'm not gonna fuckin' repeat myself.


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That's how what makes sense logically?




...the Bible and the entire concept of ingesting God's Flesh for salvation.


This is what you said:

I'm saying Jesus in the bible is mushrooms and that's how it makes sense logically.


You're saying that Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms, and that's how the Bible and the entire concept of ingesting god's flesh for salvation makes sense logically; are you fucking retarded? :braindamage:


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...Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms shows that this complete and utter nonsense in bold is logical?




...That Jesus is a food substance that produces a mystical experience more specifically.


I see; I guess we need to reject absolutely everything that was said about Jesus in the Bible, then, and just adopt this fringe interpretation, don't we? Because obviously what you're saying is extremely true.


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Can you please start making sense, and not write idiotic incomplete sentences like this one?




I'm going to ask you to STFU on this one...


OK...:lol:

You made an incomplete sentence, and I would prefer that you not do that because I want to be able to understand what you're saying; why do you want me to STFU on that one, do you really not like having your errors pointed out to you by other people or something?


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Then it's important that you provide the specific passage where it is mentioned, like, you know, actually copy-paste it here.




I did.  Look it up yourself.  You just maked yerself look purty stoopid.:thumbup:


I looked it up and got a website that gave me a whole page of bullshit; I'm not going to read a whole page of bullshit, the burden is on you to quote the sections of the bullshit that directly mentions this "round thing".

You did not provide any text from that passage, you just provided its name. I don't give a fuck at all about its name.


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...not what burned out acid casualties mean.




...You know maaaaan, you really gotta put things in perspective, brah...


The funny thing is you actually told me this. :lol:


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Your point being?




The teachings have strayed from their true inspiration.


How did you determine what their true inspiration is?


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As a matter of fact, nothing is what it is!




So why are you so pissed??


Because you're so fucking good at reading minds, and I'm all-kinds of jealous! :bored:


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Like Silversoul? :smirk:




Seems like a smart dude.  Why...??  Does he claim to be an esoteric christian and it irks you??


Nah, he doesn't irk me at all; I actually appreciate his posts, they're often very informative. :shrug:


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...it's awfully presumptuous to believe that your lifestyle is the answer to everybody's life problems, that kind of thinking is just childish as fuck.




Dude, dude, dude...  Is that what you are arguing??  I never meant to make that claim.  I was speaking strictly conceptually.


I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify?


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Evolved in what sense?




Evolved along those lines.  In acceptance of psychedelic use not ignorant of it.


Are you speaking in terms of the entire human race, or in terms of individuals?


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They have been fooled by people who represent Jesus? How Jesus-like of them...:rolleyes:




It is good AND evil.



People who represent Christ are both good and evil? :lol:


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103905 - 03/11/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, well I know Wikipedia isn't the best source, but due to the obscurity of your theory I can't really find any better ones. :shrug:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen#Judaism_and_Christianity

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The question of the extent of visionary plant use throughout the history of Christian practice has barely been considered yet by academic or independent scholars.




Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to verify the accuracy of your claims.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103930 - 03/11/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think you are getting confused because its a concept not something I actually believe.


Do you understand the concept of a debate forum?


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OK, these things exist; so what?




They are producing the evidence that DOES exist.
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Physical evidence of what? So what if there is plenty of research going on?




Plant based mystical experience: Mushrooms.  More proof of said experience in existence.


I already agreed with you on the fact that such evidence exists.

 
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Pattern recognition.  (Tarzan and who...)


:lol:, what?


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...here you're actually expected to provide evidence when asked to.




What evidence do you want...??


Again, I'm not going to repeat myself; go back and look at every single post to see where I asked you for evidence. If you reread the thread again, you'll find that you never provided evidence when I asked you. This is a debate forum, and you can't just come in here and talk about a bunch of crap without expecting it to be challenged.


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Don't feel bad, though, you're not the first person...




Poid: Forum Ambassador

:freshwtf:


No, I've just been here for 3 years and am somewhat familiar with the workings of this place.


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This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom.




Dude...  It has to do with a food in the wilderness producing a spiritual/religious experience.

You all are missing something.:eek:


You said Jesus is a fucking mushroom, have you forgotten already?


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103949 - 03/11/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom.




Dude...  It has to do with a food in the wilderness producing a spiritual/religious experience.

You all are missing something.:eek:





Right and like I said there's not a shred of reliable evidence that anyone was taking mushrooms. :lol:  Where's the beef dude?


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14104055 - 03/11/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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So that isn't your interpretation of it?




The entheogen theory of religion is what I believe and its supported by many Christians.

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...you haven't once provided any actual evidence when asked to.




I asked what you wanted evidence for.
Jesus being a mushroom?  Mushrooms producing a mystical(whatever) experience?  What?

The Bible makes sense to me when Mushrooms are in the understanding, yes.  I am not retarded are you immature as fuck??

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Because obviously what you're saying is true.




You seem to have a problem with Christianity...  Why not seek out alternative theories??  Maybe a blend would be better than rejecting, IDK.

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...do you really not like having your errors pointed out to you by other people or something?




It was silly.  I think you know what I meant.

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...the burden is on you to quote the sections of the bullshit that directly mention this "round thing".




HERE IS SOME BULLSHIT...







FOR YA!
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And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.

15And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+16&version=KJV

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The funny thing is you actually told me this. :lol:




Yah a couple times.

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How did you determine what their true inspiration is?




By choosing it after some consideration and experimentation.

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Because you're so fucking good at reading minds, and I'm all kinds of jealous. :bored:




:devito:
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Nah, he doesn't irk me at all...




Why did you say that, I'm curious?
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify?




That given the concept Jesus can be seen as an answer for an un-illuminated experience.
'Jesus is the answer'
'To what?'

To the darkness.

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Are you speaking in terms of the entire human race, or in terms of individuals?




More as a consensus.

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People who represent Christ both good and evil? :lol:




Believe it.  Boooyah!

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14104068 - 03/11/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How about like... 

An engraving of a christ figure next to a patch of psilocybe looking mushrooms on a pillar in a church??:sherlock:

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Where's the beef dude?




In the middle of the sandwich.  Where's the bread??

*chomp chomp chomp*

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14104079 - 03/11/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You said Jesus is a fucking mushroom, have you forgotten already?




Jesus is a concept.
A natural food substance.
An experience.
A person.

Fuckin bread from heaven. :uhno:

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14104103 - 03/11/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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How about like... 

An engraving of a christ figure next to a patch of psilocybe looking mushrooms on a pillar in a church??:sherlock:

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Where's the beef dude?




In the middle of the sandwich.  Where's the bread??

*chomp chomp chomp*




First you have to prove those are magic mushrooms. Dooood.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14104137 - 03/11/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

tbh.. Id rather follow Jerry Garcia.. :omgawesome:


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14104383 - 03/11/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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So that isn't your interpretation of it?




The entheogen theory of religion is what I believe and its supported by many Christians.


OK, so it is your interpretation of it; please provide proof for what's in bold.


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...you haven't once provided any actual evidence when asked to.




I asked what you wanted evidence for.
Jesus being a mushroom?  Mushrooms producing a mystical(whatever) experience?  What?


For the last fucking time, I'm not going to repeat myself (you've made me repeat myself 3 times about how I'm not going to repeat myself).


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I am not retarded are you immature as fuck??


If you have to ask, then I don't believe you. :wink:


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Because obviously what you're saying is true.




You seem to have a problem with Christianity...  Why not seek out alternative theories??


I've got a better idea: why not just continue living my life the way I've been living it and do whatever the fuck I want to?


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Maybe a blend would be better than rejecting, IDK.


Better how?


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...do you really not like having your errors pointed out to you by other people or something?




It was silly.  I think you know what I meant.


Well I didn't; I'm not psychic like you, man, I apologize. :levitate:


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...the burden is on you to quote the sections of the bullshit that directly mention this "round thing".




HERE IS SOME BULLSHIT...







FOR YA!
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And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.

15And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+16&version=KJV


Aw, look it that, you're finally growing up and providing evidence with linked sources! :Awemazing:

Reading comprehension much? Where does it state there that Jesus gave them a piece of his body to eat? It doesn't, it just says that he gave them round little pieces of bread to eat.

I actually remember this story from back when I used to read the Bible, and, if I recall correctly, the manna fell down from the sky. It was sustenance from God; they had no food, and God gave them the manna because they were the "chosen people" or some bullshit like that.



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The funny thing is you actually told me this. :lol:




Yah a couple times.

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How did you determine what their true inspiration is?




By choosing it after some consideration and experimentation.

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Because you're so fucking good at reading minds, and I'm all kinds of jealous. :bored:




:devito:
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Nah, he doesn't irk me at all...




Why did you say that, I'm curious?


I don't know, I think it might be because he doesn't irk me at all.


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I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify?




That given the concept Jesus can be seen as an answer for an un-illuminated experience.
'Jesus is the answer'
'To what?'

To the darkness.


What darkness? Why don't those preachers ever mention exactly what Jesus is the answer to? Instead of "Jesus is the answer.", why don't they instead come straight out and say "Jesus is the answer to suffering."?


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Are you speaking in terms of the entire human race, or in terms of individuals?




More as a consensus.


So some sort of consensus evolves? Consensus between who? Can you provide some accurate detail on what this consensus entails?


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14105239 - 03/11/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:

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OK, so it is your interpretation of it; please provide proof for what's in bold.




The ingestion of the Eucharist.:lol:

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...I'm not going to repeat myself (you've made me repeat myself 3 times...




Quit contradicting yourself.:grin:

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...and do whatever the fuck I want to?




Yes.  Do this.

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Better how?




In accepting and incorporating the way others interpret Christianity I think you would have a better 'version' of the belief system.  Better...  I don't know more diverse.  There is this whole gnostic flip side to things...
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Well I didn't; I'm not psychic like you, man, I apologize.




It was a King of Hearts dude...  I tried.:confused:

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...you're finally growing up...





Growing up??  Aren't you like 22??  Shizz, son.

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Reading comprehension much?




STFU please

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Where does it state there that Jesus gave them a piece of his body to eat? It doesn't it just says that he gave them round little pieces of bread to eat.




Nowhere.

No it doesn't.

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...the manna fell down from the sky. It was sustenance from God; they had no food, and God gave them the manna because they were the "chosen people" or some bullshit...




Holy shit.

Right.  Now use your enormous brain to find a solution to this problem.  To me my brain goes...  WTF?
Its a riddle.
A metaphor.
Word play.

Find a more mature way to interpret that.

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What darkness?




Think unlearned or inexperienced or uninitiated.  Or unknowing.
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Why don't those preachers ever...




I can't speak for them.

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So some sort of consensus evolves? Consensus between who?




Its called culture.
People.

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Can you provide some accurate detail on what this consensus entails?




Agreement and cooperation.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14105262 - 03/11/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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First you have to prove those are magic mushrooms.




Well all you would have from artwork would be shapes and colors.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14105597 - 03/11/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

duh and don't forget the active imagination.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14106279 - 03/11/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I really don't know but are there many common edibles that look like liberty cap-esque psilocybes?

You've seen this pillar?  I know its been in a thread that you have probably stumbled across?

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14109695 - 03/12/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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:lol:

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OK, so it is your interpretation of it; please provide proof for what's in bold.




The ingestion of the Eucharist.:lol:


What about that? How does the ingestion of the Eucharist imply that the entheogen theory of religion is supported by many Christians?


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...and do whatever the fuck I want to?




Yes.  Do this.


Thanks for your permission. :thumbup:


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Better how?




In accepting and incorporating the way others interpret Christianity I think you would have a better 'version' of the belief system.  Better...  I don't know more diverse.  There is this whole gnostic flip side to things...


How would that make my life better, though, especially if I don't give too much of a rat's ass about Christianity, or any other religion for that matter?


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...you're finally growing up...





Growing up??  Aren't you like 22??  Shizz, son.


How'd you know that? Shit, you really are psychic! :omgz:


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Where does it state there that Jesus gave them a piece of his body to eat? It doesn't it just says that he gave them round little pieces of bread to eat.




Nowhere.


Then why do you believe that Jesus gave them pieces of his body to eat?


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No it doesn't.


Yes it does:

...there lay a small round thing...This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.


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...the manna fell down from the sky. It was sustenance from God; they had no food, and God gave them the manna because they were the "chosen people" or some bullshit...




Holy shit.

Right.  Now use your enormous brain to find a solution to this problem.  To me my brain goes...  WTF?
Its a riddle.
A metaphor.
Word play.

Find a more mature way to interpret that.


It's neither of those things, but rather, it's a myth; lots of heroes in myths have to overcome adversity, like Odysseus in Homer's Odyssey. I don't see from that passage any reason to believe that the manna was anything other than bread; these people had been journeying for years and they were starving, so why would you interpret the manna to be anything other than food? :undecided:


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So some sort of consensus evolves? Consensus between who?




Its called culture.
People.


So you want culture to evolve into a place where everybody constantly doses on mushrooms?


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Can you provide some accurate detail on what this consensus entails?




Agreement and cooperation.


Very detailed. :thumbup:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14112607 - 03/13/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Jesus loves you.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: andrewss]
    #14112610 - 03/13/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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