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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14102976 - 03/11/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are you...??

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103010 - 03/11/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you really consider it...
That Jesus was a mushroom.


Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?



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Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten.


I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.


Oh wait, is this Jesus?





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And...  That he is that substance in the wilderness.


Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?



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Jesus is the answer to the human condition.


And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?



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Or...  The psychedelic experience or religious/spiritual experience.
:mushroom2:


You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?


Is this you by any chance?



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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14103106 - 03/11/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?




I think you have to to put the myth in perspective.
Its 2011...  Its moved at least passed 'ridiculous bullshit' hasn't it...
Its simple really, that's why.  And logical.  And a respected theory.

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I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.



:hmm:

...Anthropomorphism...

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Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?




That substance that the lord hath commanded so says moses...
The round thing...  For the sabbath...??
Exodus 16

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And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?




All it is is a recognition that the psychedelic experience can produce lasting desirable effects on consciousness.  You can call them spiritual or religious.  The experience can be freeing and saving.  An answer to suffering.
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You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?


Is this you by any chance?




I think the psychedelic experience has been and can be an answer for some.

A natural food substance that produces expanded states of awareness can be considered an answer.

Illumination should have been our path of evolution.

In the context of Christianity what is important is the return of Jesus.  That is their answer.  But they have been confused deliberately.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103178 - 03/11/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?




I think you have to to put the myth in perspective.


Why?


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FishOilTheKid said:
Its 2011...  Its moved at least passed 'ridiculous bullshit' hasn't it...


WTF are you talking about?


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Its simple really, that's why.  And logical.  And a respected theory.


Nothing you said is logical, and I seriously doubt that it's respected by anybody who isn't a complete moron.


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I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.



:hmm:

...Anthropomorphism...


WTF? What is the point of you anthropomorphising mushrooms? In what way is an anthropomorphised mushroom at all relevant to the thread topic? I am talking about the Jesus in the Bible, not your whacky drug-induced unimaginative symbolic interpretation of what Jesus is.


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Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?




That substance that the lord hath commanded so says moses...
The round thing...  For the sabbath...??
Exodus 16


The round thing? Can you be any less vague?


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And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?




All it is is a recognition that the psychedelic experience can produce lasting desirable effects on consciousness.


Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really think Christian preachers have the psychedelic experience in mind when they tell others "Jesus is the answer."?


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You can call them spiritual or religious.  The experience can be freeing and saving.  An answer to suffering.


Finally, somebody mentioned it! I think the fact that they tell other people that their way of life is the cure for everybody's suffering denotes just how selfish, deluded, and idiotic these fucksticks truly are. I am completely baffled at the pretentiousness of these people, it is un-fucking-believable.


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You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?


Is this you by any chance?




I think the psychedelic experience has been and can be an answer for some.


Do you also think that Christians equate Jesus with mushrooms and the psychedelic experience? 'Cuz that would be purty stoopid. :flowstone:


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Illumination should have been our path of evolution.


What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Please, be clear and don't try to obfuscate shit and/or dodge this simple, direct question.


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But they have been confused deliberately.


By whom, Satan? :hellfire:


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14103251 - 03/11/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why?




Cause its about mushroom use.  Or at least plant based shamanism.

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WTF are you talking about?




Dude...  It is a respected and accepted theory.  ...by now.

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Nothing you said is logical, and I seriously doubt that it's respected by anybody who isn't a complete moron.




It is logical.  And it is respected.  You are wrong.

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I am talking about the Jesus in the Bible, not your whacky drug-induced unimaginative symbolic interpretation of what Jesus is.




You are jumpy.  You asked what jesus is the answer to.  I said jesus is a mushroom, mushroom is psychedelic experience, psychedelic experience is jesus, psychedelic experience is an answer, jesus is an answer...
I'm saying Jesus in the bible is mushrooms and that's how it makes sense logically.  With the experience considered that they produce.


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The round thing? Can you be any less vague?




Its an important part of the narrative.  An important question.

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Do you really think Christian preachers have the psychedelic experience in mind when they tell others "Jesus is the answer."?




No.  They also didn't come up with the rituals and teachings.

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...it is un-fucking-believable.




I agree.  But, from what we have just outlined...
They don't tell people Jesus is the answer because Jesus is not Jesus!
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Do you also think that Christians equate Jesus with mushrooms and the psychedelics experience? 'Cuz that would be purty stoopid.




Its actually the more intelligent esoteric Christians that do.  Those that are in the know.  And, it is Truth.  Not stoopid.  Real.
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What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Please, be clear and don't try to obfuscate shit and/or dodge this simple, direct question.




Instead of hiding the psychedelic (illumination) experience from us we should have been allowed. (evolved)
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By whom, Satan? :hellfire:





By those representing Jesus.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103314 - 03/11/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?




I think you have to to put the myth in perspective.
Its 2011...  Its moved at least passed 'ridiculous bullshit' hasn't it...
Its simple really, that's why.  And logical.  And a respected theory.

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I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.



:hmm:

...Anthropomorphism...

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Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?




That substance that the lord hath commanded so says moses...
The round thing...  For the sabbath...??
Exodus 16

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And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?




All it is is a recognition that the psychedelic experience can produce lasting desirable effects on consciousness.  You can call them spiritual or religious.  The experience can be freeing and saving.  An answer to suffering.
Quote:


You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?


Is this you by any chance?




I think the psychedelic experience has been and can be an answer for some.

A natural food substance that produces expanded states of awareness can be considered an answer.

Illumination should have been our path of evolution.

In the context of Christianity what is important is the return of Jesus.  That is their answer.  But they have been confused deliberately.






dude...  It is a respected and accepted theory.  ...by now.



What a crock of shit.  It's only respected by the uneducated, superstitious and ignorant.  There is not a shred of decent evidence behind any of it.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103426 - 03/11/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Dig this, sir:

If you really consider it...
That Jesus was a mushroom.
Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten.
And...  That he is that substance in the wilderness.
Jesus is the answer to the human condition.
Or...  The psychedelic experience or religious/spiritual experience.
:mushroom2:



Psychedelics are fun, and they do give you a new perspective on life.

But do they provide an "answer to the human condition"? Hell no. I've tripped dozens of times and if anything I'm more confused.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14103545 - 03/11/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There is not a shred of decent evidence behind any of it.




This is not true.  There is allot of material that is very credible.  And, its backed up by experimentation.

Why is it not decent??

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: NetDiver]
    #14103552 - 03/11/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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But do they provide an "answer to the human condition"? Hell no. I've tripped dozens of times and if anything I'm more confused.




I agree.

But concerning the mythology and the context...  In a more romanticized way...  They do.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103580 - 03/11/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There is not a shred of decent evidence behind any of it.




This is not true.  There is allot of material that is very credible.  And, its backed up by experimentation.

Why is it not decent??




No there is not a lot of material that is very credible that I have ever seen. (show me)  And its not backed up by reliable credible  scientific experimentation.  And that's why it's not decent.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14103602 - 03/11/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Theories proposed by John Allegro and work that was conducted at Harvard University, to me, is decent enough.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14103624 - 03/11/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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(show me)




James Arthur
John Allegro
Clark Heinrich

That's a start at least worth considering...

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103667 - 03/11/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Theories proposed by John Allegro and work that was conducted at Harvard University, to me, is decent enough.





Link me to the studies conducted.  And it being decent to you means squat.

If you really consider it...
That Jesus was a mushroom.
Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten.
And...  That he is that substance in the wilderness.
Jesus is the answer to the human condition.


This is all just wild subjective speculation and there is no physical evidence for it.  Link me.


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103673 - 03/11/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why?




Cause its about mushroom use. Or at least plant based shamanism.


That's your interpretation of it; certainly isn't mine, or probably anybody else's who follows Christianity.


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WTF are you talking about?




Dude...  It is a respected and accepted theory.  ...by now.

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Nothing you said is logical, and I seriously doubt that it's respected by anybody who isn't a complete moron.




It is logical.  And it is respected.  You are wrong.


Prove that it's logical and respected, or STFU. Do you even know what logic is? Do you really think bare assertions are logical? :imslow:


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I am talking about the Jesus in the Bible, not your whacky drug-induced unimaginative symbolic interpretation of what Jesus is.




You are jumpy.  You asked what jesus is the answer to.


I meant to ask what the statement "Jesus is the answer." is supposed to mean, sorry I was unclear in the OP.


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I said jesus is a mushroom, mushroom is psychedelic experience, psychedelic experience is jesus, psychedelic experience is an answer, jesus is an answer...


I'm not surprised in the least that you find these bare assertions to be logical; none of what you said there is correct, or even slightly supported by evidence.

You do know that this is a debate forum, and that you're expected to defend your claims with evidence when asked to, don't you?


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I'm saying Jesus in the bible is mushrooms and that's how it makes sense logically.


That's how what makes sense logically? This:

...jesus is a mushroom, mushroom is psychedelic experience, psychedelic experience is jesus, psychedelic experience is an answer, jesus is an answer..


Do you really think your bare assertion that Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms shows that this complete and utter nonsense in bold is logical? Really?


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With the experience considered that they produce.


Can you please start making sense, and not write idiotic incomplete sentences like this one?


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TimmiT said:
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The round thing? Can you be any less vague?




Its an important part of the narrative.  An important question.


Then it's important that you provide the specific passage where it is mentioned, like, you know, actually copy-paste it here.


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TimmiT said:
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Do you really think Christian preachers have the psychedelic experience in mind when they tell others "Jesus is the answer."?




No.


Then why the hell are you even mentioning psychedelics? I wasn't clear in the OP, but I am interested in knowing what Christians mean when they say "Jesus is the answer.", not what burned out acid casualties mean.


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They also didn't come up with the rituals and teachings.


Your point being?


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...it is un-fucking-believable.




I agree.  But, from what we have just outlined...
They don't tell people Jesus is the answer because Jesus is not Jesus!


You're totally right, black isn't black, either! As a matter of fact, nothing is what it is!


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Do you also think that Christians equate Jesus with mushrooms and the psychedelics experience? 'Cuz that would be purty stoopid.




Its actually the more intelligent esoteric Christians that do.


Like Silversoul? :smirk:


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Those that are in the know.  And, it is Truth.  Not stoopid.  Real.


In any case, like I said earlier, it's awfully presumptuous to believe that your lifestyle is the answer to everybody's life problems, that kind of thinking is just childish as fuck. :baby:


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What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Please, be clear and don't try to obfuscate shit and/or dodge this simple, direct question.




Instead of hiding the psychedelic (illumination) experience from us we should have been allowed. (evolved)



Evolved in what sense?


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By whom, Satan? :hellfire:





By those representing Jesus.


They have been fooled by people who represent Jesus? How Jesus-like of them...:rolleyes:


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
    #14103729 - 03/11/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't have links...  But the science behind mushrooms producing a spiritual/religious experience is wildly known and held to be valid among scholars.

Harvard's Good Friday Experiment
John's Hopkins University
UCLA

There is physical evidence and plenty of research going on.

Decent to me is enough.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103793 - 03/11/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The problem is defining a "spiritual" experience. Mushrooms distort your perception of reality; whether you call that "spiritual" or not depends entirely on whether or not you believe in spirits in the first place. It can just as easily be called a "philosophical experience" or even a "scientific experiment."


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14103819 - 03/11/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't have links...  But the science behind mushrooms producing a spiritual/religious experience is wildly known and held to be valid among scholars.


Wildly known? :tarzan:

Really, dude? You think that just because mushrooms can produce those kinds of experiences, that indicates that this bullshit in bold is true?

If you really consider it...
That Jesus was a mushroom.
Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten.
And...  That he is that substance in the wilderness.
Jesus is the answer to the human condition.



Damn you have some talent there, I could never make such huge leaps in logic, even if I practiced.



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Harvard's Good Friday Experiment
John's Hopkins University
UCLA


OK, these things exist; so what?



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There is physical evidence and plenty of research going on.


Physical evidence of what? So what if there is plenty of research going on?



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Decent to me is enough.


Well it's not enough for this debate forum, here you're actually expected to provide evidence when asked to.


Don't feel bad, though, you're not the first person to come in here and babble a bunch of incoherent pet theories without providing any evidence, or even taking the time to read the forum description beforehand; as a matter of fact, it happens somewhat often.

This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14103826 - 03/11/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's your interpretation of it; certainly isn't mine, or probably anybody else's who follows Christianity.




You are wrong.  And, your assertion is ignorant.
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Prove that it's logical and respected, or STFU. Do you even know what logic is? Do you really think bare assertions are logical? :imslow:




Its far from a bare assertion.  No you STFU.:lol:

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...or even slightly supported by evidence.




What is the question?  Evidence?  For what?
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That's how what makes sense logically? This:




No the Bible and the entire concept of ingesting God's Flesh for salvation.

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...Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms shows that this complete and utter nonsense in bold is logical?




...That Jesus is a food substance that produces a mystical experience more specifically.

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Can you please start making sense, and not write idiotic incomplete sentences like this one?




I'm going to ask you to STFU on this one...

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Then it's important that you provide the specific passage where it is mentioned, like, you know, actually copy-paste it here.




I did.  Look it up yourself.  You just maked yerself look purty stoopid.:thumbup:

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...not what burned out acid casualties mean.




...You know maaaaan, you really gotta put things in perspective, brah...

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Your point being?




The teachings have strayed from their true inspiration.

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As a matter of fact, nothing is what it is!




So why are you so pissed??

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Like Silversoul? :smirk:




Seems like a smart dude.  Why...??  Does he claim to be an esoteric christian and it irks you??
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...it's awfully presumptuous to believe that your lifestyle is the answer to everybody's life problems, that kind of thinking is just childish as fuck.




Dude, dude, dude...  Is that what you are arguing??  I never meant to make that claim.  I was speaking strictly conceptually.
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Evolved in what sense?




Evolved along those lines.  In acceptance of psychedelic use not ignorant of it.

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They have been fooled by people who represent Jesus? How Jesus-like of them...:rolleyes:




It is good AND evil.

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14103838 - 03/11/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Alright, so I'm confused.

Are you (FishOilTheKid) claiming that Jesus actually was a mushroom and a mushroom trip actually is the ultimate spiritual enlightenment? Or are you just saying that early Christianity was historically a mushroom-based cult?

Because I've heard the second one before (despite the fact that it's FAR from widely accepted). And I'm pretty sure that's not what most people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer."


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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
    #14103862 - 03/11/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No.

That is a jump to a conclusion.



I think you are getting confused because its a concept not something I actually believe.

'Jesus is the answer to the human condition'
IN THAT CONTEXT
Which would be a christian one...  Like Sin/Eternal damnation, get it?

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OK, these things exist; so what?




They are producing the evidence that DOES exist.
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Physical evidence of what? So what if there is plenty of research going on?




Plant based mystical experience: Mushrooms.  More proof of said experience in existence. 

Pattern recognition.  (Tarzan and who...)

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...here you're actually expected to provide evidence when asked to.




What evidence do you want...??

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