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Rahz
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Cactilove]
#14100963 - 03/10/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is a very cheap program called "Fit Day" (among others). You can plug in every food you eat during a day and it will tell you where you're at in regards to calories, protein, fat, vitamins and minerals, as compared to the FDAs recommended minimum daily intakes. Starting a diet based on hard core principals can be a very unhealthy thing to do. The metabolism of a jungle shaman may be different than yours. It has to do with what you've been raised on, what your ancestors were raised on, and possibly other factors. Vitamin and mineral deficiencies are a bitch. Everyones ability to absorb and retain (recycle) the various minerals is different, so you should keep tabs on what you're doing and take it very seriously. Your best friend is your stomach, and ignoring your desires can be detrimental to your health.
For instance, some people can eat fruit all day long, some people don't do well on high fruit diets. Some people don't tolerate red meat well, while some people live long healthy lives eating it constantly. Same with dairy, caffeine products, etc. If you come from a family of milk drinkers, and don't want to drink milk make sure you get your calcium somehow.
Generally, processed foods aren't as nutritious as unprocessed, and don't contain the fiber unprocessed foods do. If a person simply ate only unprocessed foods, they would probably be very healthy.
There's a ton of little tips, but the main advice I try to give these days is to slowly change your diet. Simply pay attention to the foods you eat, how they taste, how they make you feel directly after eating, and hours later. The best diet for you is the one you develop over time.
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Rahz]
#14101129 - 03/10/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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And major changes in your diet will effect your digestion, so if you don't want gas or the need to defecate while you're in public, slowly adjust.
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: giza]
#14101697 - 03/10/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I want to try the Paleolithic diet at some point... anybody have any experience with it?
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Cactilove]
#14102078 - 03/11/11 01:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cactilove said: So I have been on what I thinks a plant diet but not very sure. My diet has consisted mostly of turkey sandwiches and pb and j. I have not been drinking cold drinks except water. Is this proper or is cold water suppose to be excluded as well? Does pbandj have to much sugar. What if I mess up do just start over. If any one has had expierence doing the plant diet please explain it to me in detail if possible.
I found this on another forum, sounds like what your after.
What is a dieta?
by Morgan Brent www.tribesofcreation.net
Dieta is a Spanish word that means - simply enough – “diet.”
However, when used in Amazonian herbalist traditions that deal with the more powerful and often reality-altering and visionary varieties of plants known as plantas maestras or teacher-plants, the word comes to mean much more than that. It then describes dietary and behavioral regimens that allow one to move most safely and effectively into working relationships with such plants. These relationships can bring about profound transformations, and the dietas are designed to best facilitate them.
The dietas originated as a plant-based practice for developing attunement to the currents of spirit that underlie the material world. Traditionally, this has been applied to such skills as hunting, divination, ancestral consultations, healing, leadership, and so on. The dietas are part of broader systems of human-plant relationships (food taboos, garden magic, and so on) that characterize many of the indigenous people of Amazonia. As the Amazon basin is populated by a high concentration of plants whose chemical behaviors are complex and ‘active’ enough to be used medicinally, and humans have been interacting with them for 1000’s of years, the dieta tradition is well developed.
An individual undergoing a dieta retreats into isolation for a period of time (from days to months or even years) during which s/he is fed a ritually prepared and symbolically significant diet of foods such as plantain, manioc (cassava), and certain fish and jungle animals. In modern times this list often includes rice, quinoa, oatmeal, and chicken. Sugar, salt, chilies, certain meats (especially pork), acidic fruits, fermented foods, alcohol, and stimulants are avoided, as well as excessive exposure to sun, rain, fire, and unpleasant smells. Social interactions that involve ill individuals, sexual activity, and speaking of outside concerns, are likewise eschewed. In this way the dietas loosen the hold of human cultural traits - the understanding being that by doing so humans are more open to guidance and power from the natural world. In addition, its ritualized structure values and inspires self-discipline. Such traits are shared with vision quests, and the dietas can be approached in this way.
When one undergoes a dieta the focus is often on a particular plant best suited to the needs of the individual. “The chosen plant depends upon the personality structure of the patient and the goals of the therapists: some plants are indicated for connecting with emotions and childhood memories, others to strengthen a proper attitude, still others to break some resistances” (Mabit et al 1996). Such plants can include bobinsana/Calliandra angustifolia; toe/Brugmansia sp.; chiric sanango/Brunsfelsia sp.; oje/Ficus anthelmintica; tangarana/Triplaris sp., and the “king of brews,” aya-huasca/Banisteriopsis Caapi, along with its usual admixture chacruna/Psychotria viridis.
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Cactilove]
#14102286 - 03/11/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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PB&J, and turkey sandwiches? That sounds like the early 20's bachelor diet to me.
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Cactilove
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So I'm assuming it is next to impossible to do this diet if I live in modern western society and that it usually os not something you can do at your own home.
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Cactilove]
#14112002 - 03/12/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cactilove said: So I'm assuming it is next to impossible to do this diet if I live in modern western society
How do you figure?
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: deCypher] 1
#14112440 - 03/13/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well isolation for long periods of time In or near a city could prove very difficult.you would probably have to have someone bring supplies because it would be difficult if not Impossible to carry enough food and tools with you far enough out to live for 2 weeks in real isolation. Not only that but unfortunately Im not very experienced in solo camping never done it actually. Nor am I very expierenced in camping much at all. Or making shelter. So it seems for me this will be a very difficult task.
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Cactilove]
#14114204 - 03/13/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cactilove said: Well isolation for long periods of time In or near a city could prove very difficult.you would probably have to have someone bring supplies because it would be difficult if not Impossible to carry enough food and tools with you far enough out to live for 2 weeks in real isolation. Not only that but unfortunately Im not very experienced in solo camping never done it actually. Nor am I very expierenced in camping much at all. Or making shelter. So it seems for me this will be a very difficult task.
Yep, given what you say you know, for you it would be difficult.
you might want to poke around in this forum for more info, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/72
And this is such an epic sentence, I have to quote it for posterity:
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Cactilove said: My diet has consisted mostly of turkey sandwiches and pb and j.
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: falcon]
#14116528 - 03/13/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn though should I cut turkey out too. That's the only meat that's not listed that can have except fish on the websites that talk about it. They say no hot drinks. Damn. I'll get sick if the only meat I had was fish.
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Cactilove]
#14116744 - 03/13/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why can't they eat other kinds of meat?
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Rahz]
#14116801 - 03/13/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Probably food taboos of the surrounding culture or of the indiginouse tribes
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Re: The legitimate plant diet [Re: Cactilove]
#14117241 - 03/13/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cactilove said: Damn though should I cut turkey out too. That's the only meat that's not listed that can have except fish on the websites that talk about it. They say no hot drinks. Damn. I'll get sick if the only meat I had was fish.
I dont think you need to be too concerned with details. From my understanding the main thing was to have a simple, consistent, non distracting diet while working with a particular plant. Providing a solid foundation that requires little/no attention to improve focus and clarity seemed to be the real aim. Just figure out a way to make it work for your needs.
ps I'm seeing that chicken is allowed. I doubt that there is any one way that everyone follows. Besides, it only lasts a few weeks to a month generally, you'll be fine.
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