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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14285656 - 04/13/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Irishdrunk said: Looks like we're getting a dose now. Everyone got their lead suits and high quality air filter masks on? No? Enjoy ass cancer!

Heh, notice weird spots of radiation popping out of Eastern China? What's with that?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Maverick]
#14285757 - 04/13/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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blame everything on the chinees!
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14289926 - 04/14/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why have we been hearing about radiation levels in Vermont when Juno is obviously covered in a fine layer of radiation.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Idiot]
#14293474 - 04/14/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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does anyone feel like wading through all this linkage?
it'd probably help the people on this board.
I'm thinking it doesn't matter much if the entire, half, or quarter of the earth is being irradiated in terms of trying to escape it. i guess staying inside will make you feel better if you're scared of nuclear fallout, but it probably won't help in the long run. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i just assume it's going to be equalized in the air inside the house as well. Kinda like hide under a picnic blanket to save yourself from lava logic.
Does anyone think there will be a benefit to people in the affected areas hiding inside while radiation falls, when ultimately it's going in the food chain and environment in general?
Not trying to be pessimistic, just keep living in cohesion.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: linkamathingy]
#14309842 - 04/18/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you have the time... watch this.
so much scary truth.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Maverick]
#14310277 - 04/18/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Irishdrunk said: Looks like we're getting a dose now. Everyone got their lead suits and high quality air filter masks on? No? Enjoy ass cancer!

Heh, notice weird spots of radiation popping out of Eastern China? What's with that?
I don't think they're popping out of southeastern China and northern Vietnam; I bet it's a higher concentration due to precipitation.
I like that map, it has nice colors. Note that it shows radiation levels caused by Xenon 133, which has a half life of a bit over 5 days. This means that tha vast majority of it'll have decayed into stable (non-radioactive) cesium 133 within a month. That's why, if you look at the animations, you see the intensity of the cloud reduce as it moves away from the source, and it effectively evaporates when it reaches Europe. Note also that the image posted are the 'total column' data, or in laymen's terms: everything between the surface of the earth and the measurement satellite. If you want to see what the intensity on ground level is (0-100m), you can follow any of these links: I-131 (ground) Cs-137 (ground) Xe-133 (ground) Looking at those images, the following conclusions can be drawn: - The Xenon images look the worst, which is the logical consequence of the short half life of Xe-133. - The total column images look pretty impressive, but most of the decay actually occurs high up in the atmosphere. Obviously, some of that radiation reaches the ground, but we still enjoy the benefit of the most fundamental protection against radiation: physical distance.
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linkamathingy said: Does anyone think there will be a benefit to people in the affected areas hiding inside while radiation falls, when ultimately it's going in the food chain and environment in general?
If you're worried about the effects of Fukushima in the US, then you might as well give up flying, never climb a mountain anymore, and never allow yourself to be examined medically using x-rays or CT scans. The cumulative effects of commercial airline flights, x-rays and other common sources of radioactive exposure over the lifetime of the average Westerner are much more significant than the Fukushima fallout.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14314866 - 04/18/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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much more significant according to whose measurements? qualitative predictions on your part? it does help, thanks again.
my impression of fukushima is that it is many times worse than chernobyl for having much more fuel on site, spent fuel at that, and more reactors involved.
then again there was so much nuclear testing in america already i don't know if i care to worry.
i'm just trying to get a handle on how bad it is without the mainstream media, pro-nuclear agencies, or governments muddying it up for me.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: linkamathingy]
#14315198 - 04/19/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you're worried about the effects of Fukushima in the US, then you might as well give up flying, never climb a mountain anymore, and never allow yourself to be examined medically using x-rays or CT scans. The cumulative effects of commercial airline flights, x-rays and other common sources of radioactive exposure over the lifetime of the average Westerner are much more significant than the Fukushima fallout.
that might be true, but for the most part we control that, the effects of the reactors we can't, u also have to consider this is being dumped ontop of all the radiation we, already get. Combine this with all the other health factors and pollution we already have and it begs the question, when will the scale tip.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14316700 - 04/19/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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linkamathingy said: much more significant according to whose measurements? qualitative predictions on your part?
YEs, mostly interpretation on my part, and I may be wrong, although reliable quantifications are still lacking and will probably only be released after months or even years. The scant quantifications I was able to find without spending hours on searching suggest that Chernobyl is about a factor 10 times more serious in terms of total released radioactive material. But more importantly than the total amount of released material is the effect on humans and the environment. The swift evacuation at Fukushima as well as the geographical location and weather conditions make Fukushima significantly less severe than Chernobyl. In the Chernobyl event, the majority of the contamination was deposited on Europe where much of it still remains to the day, while at Fukushima, the majority of the fallout has occurred over the ocean where it dilutes quickly.
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my impression of fukushima is that it is many times worse than chernobyl for having much more fuel on site, spent fuel at that, and more reactors involved.
I think that's an oversimplification that can lead to a distorted view. It neglects the qualitative differences between Fukushima and Chernobyl, which are too important to leave out. Specifically, the construction of the reactor, the mode of failure and the response of the authorities are all fundamentally different.
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makaveli8x8 said: that might be true, but for the most part we control that, the effects of the reactors we can't, u also have to consider this is being dumped ontop of all the radiation we, already get. Combine this with all the other health factors and pollution we already have and it begs the question, when will the scale tip.
Yes, Fukushima adds to the total dose received, and my argument is that for the vast majority of the population, the added exposure of Fukushima is negligible. Nuclear power has severe drawbacks, but I feel that those risks are usually magnified in comparison with the risks of other modes of energy production and other technologies at large. Risk is often represented as the product of a probability and an effect. Humans tend to focus on risks with large effects, regardless of the probability, which leads to a systematic underestimation of the risks with a higher probability but small effects. In reality, the latter tend to occur on a larger scale, leading to cumulative effects that surpass the cumulative effects of the low probability/high effect risks. For example: nearly every environmentalist is capable of listing nuclear incidents and the number of deaths associated with it, but I know of none who can do the same for gas plants, hydroelectric generation and windmills, let alone solar technology. Nonetheless, conventional energy generation (including both 'green' and 'grey' sources) is responsible for a death toll that is larger by several orders of magnitude than nuclear energy generation.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14317298 - 04/19/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm waitin' for my fusion 
Electric cars + fusion sources will/would solve so many problems.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: twighead]
#14321662 - 04/20/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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keep waiting on that, no one is going to do it for you. anyways...
thanks very much koraks, especially for the admission that you might be wrong in your analyses, because you seem to know more than a lot of people about this, and it's even hard for you to figure out how bad it is.
personally i would like any nuclear plants near me shut down. i believe the precautionary principle may be a better choice in nuclear energy(unlike in cap and trade).
i sincerely open my lack of a home up to any japanese refugees who need help. (come on hot japanese chicks!)
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: linkamathingy]
#14321809 - 04/20/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, Fukushima adds to the total dose received, and my argument is that for the vast majority of the population, the added exposure of Fukushima is negligible. Nuclear power has severe drawbacks, but I feel that those risks are usually magnified in comparison with the risks of other modes of energy production and other technologies at large. Risk is often represented as the product of a probability and an effect. Humans tend to focus on risks with large effects, regardless of the probability, which leads to a systematic underestimation of the risks with a higher probability but small effects. In reality, the latter tend to occur on a larger scale, leading to cumulative effects that surpass the cumulative effects of the low probability/high effect risks. For example: nearly every environmentalist is capable of listing nuclear incidents and the number of deaths associated with it, but I know of none who can do the same for gas plants, hydroelectric generation and windmills, let alone solar technology. Nonetheless, conventional energy generation (including both 'green' and 'grey' sources) is responsible for a death toll that is larger by several orders of magnitude than nuclear energy generation.
It would seem you've fallen for your own point in regards to underestimating the risks of smaller effects. If nuclear plants replaced every other form of energy what exactly would our lives be like living next to one? How about 2 or more with overlapping effects? Next, we have all these barrels of waste, spent fuel rods ect, which start out small, but over time add up. After that, lets add in the factor of meltdowns, and say 1 or 2 happen every 50 years or so for various reasons, but honestly i think thats an understatment looking at where these people decided to build them. Then, eventually we will have an accident involving the stored waste.
as for comparing nuke energy to that of other forms of energy, ive obviously already brought that up when i mentioned tipping the scales, however there's a reason why people focus on that because its so powerful, and its obvious in so many ways that we just are not ready to weild such power and responsibility. Much in the same way as oil, its all about greed. The bottom line is, we don't need to be moving forward when we can't even handle the present. The most logical solution is to actually move back, but we can also add things to it, like generators on all exercise equipment, solar panels on EVERY house, if we invest in things like that, we'll have real change, because were not trying to pull energy out of thin air well kinda but u know what im getting at, were recycling it from our bodies, capturing it from the sun. At the end of the day, sure we'll still need more energy, sure we'll need to setup a real system for managing batteries, but thats shit we should be doing anyway, batteries have been here a long time and people have been throwing them in the garbage the entire time, so thats 2 things get improved.
The third is overpopulation, we downsize or hold steady right now and that fixes alot of problems, and alot of our energy useage as well. If were not constintly creating things were not going to be using near as much energy. And whatever happened to horses, oh right society. The same point holds true about the jobs we all fullfill, we run around spending our bodies energy doing the most stupid stuff possible, we take in food and output waste to maintain "roles", it doesn't have to be that way. So , instead of having waste jobs, we "create" energy. One example of this to be more clear is like i mentioned earlier converting exercise equipment to "create" energy, instead of moronically using it lol. Further, a bike could easily be rigged up to charge a battery, so lets take a paper route for example, poof free energy.
Plants are free energy, society setup shop, basically outlawed animals, poof all our problems began. People lived just fine with hardly any technology and used hardly any nonfree energy. We've advanced, we should be able to use our brains, and come up with a way to keep some of the things we like, and still leave a very small footprint. So i say to hell with the nuke reactors and to hell with all the other shitty ones.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14324672 - 04/20/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i wanted to post this video. it shows a 20 meter (65 foot) wave smashing into the coast. It is straight up bigger than 3 story houses. When in crashes on the shore, the spray goes up to 300 feet. Unreal.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: j0nnyb0y05]
#14360108 - 04/27/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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so yeah. there you go. i wouldn't want to be invested in japan right now sorry to say, but at least there will be work for translation if nothing else.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: linkamathingy]
#14360112 - 04/27/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is Japan still getting skullfucked by nature?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: sunset_mission]
#14360138 - 04/27/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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As it always shall, in our time
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: sunset_mission]
#14360153 - 04/27/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This prof. Busby has a weird outlook on things. I can't really corroborate his observation that the Russian response to Chernobyl was much more effective than the Japanese response at Fukushima, especially in terms of evacuation of people. Very weird; the facts seem to suggest otherwise. I also don't share his 'analysis' (which is basically an estimation based on a mathematical model of uncertain accuracy) that both Chernobyl and Fukushima will/have result(ed) in 1.3 million cancer deaths each. Then again, Busby is apparently known for his controversial views on the risks of ionizing radiation, which of course makes him a very appropriate candidate for Russia Today to get a nice scoop out of.
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#14360161 - 04/27/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: Is Japan still getting skullfucked by nature?
It's getting pig fucked by radiation now.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14416924 - 05/07/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any updates on the radiation problem?
Are we still fucked?
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