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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14148427 - 03/19/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: @BoxyBrown: thanks m8, glad I can return something to the community once in a while 
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mellowparty said: Would a living being experience the negative effects of high intensity radiation immediately or with a certain delay?
Both. At high doses (> 250mSv), radiation sickness occurs. Immediate effects are a drop in white blood cells, which will lead to immune deficiencies within the next few days. If it's a one-time exposure, white blood cell count should return to normal within a few days, and symptoms are limited. At really high doses (> 1000mSv), damage to the bone marrow occurs as well as to any other dividing cells. This results in gastrointestinal complaints, headaches, loss of hair, and in severe cases rejection of tissues such as skin (there are really horrific images of Chernobyl firefighters). The particularly severe effects of radiation sickness tend to occur only after a few days. In the Chernobyl disaster, those who received high doses initially complained of sickness and many of them vomited. Then after a few hours they would feel better, which lasted a couple of days. Then after those deceptively uneventful days, their situation would deteriorate, often resulting in death within a few days or weeks, depending on the exact dosage received. Doses in the range of 1000-3000mSv can be survived, but the risk of death is very real. Above 5000mSv, you're screwed either way and can only hope for a quick death (which is unlikely if not assisted; death usually only occurs after a minimum of a few days).
The long-term effects are a heightened risk of contracting cancer, in particular cancer of the skin, thyroid, intestine and lungs, as well as leukemia= (depending on the type and location of exposure). A one-time exposure of up to about 400mSv (which is pretty severe!) oddly enough results in only a slightly increased risk of developing cancer over the total life time. This suggests that in terms of cancer, especially chronic exposure poses a real risk.
So sending people into a radioactive zone such as at the Fukushima plant to fix things need not necessarily lead to certain death, either immediately or in the long run. However, both the risks of developing cancer and the severity of radiation sickness increase with the dose received. We know that the radiation levels at the Fukushima plant are variable due to leaks and purposeful venting of radioactive steam, and that in some places and moments, radiation levels have been so high that even brief exposure is seriously dangerous (up to 1000mSv per hour). Therefore, I'm not too optimistic about the fate of some of the 'Fukushima 50' (in reality about 150-200 workers who work in the area in shifts), some of whom are in my opinion highly likely to have received accumulated doses over the past week that significantly exceed the 250mSv limit imposed by the Japanese authorities. I'm not aware of any reports of workers exhibiting signs of radiation sickness, but I'm pretty confident that cases have been occurring. I expect reports thereof to be released in the following weeks or months.
awesome post 
When I said immediate I meant on the very second. If you've played CoD4MW you know how when u step into the radioactive field your vision gets blurry all of a sudden etc.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: amilibertine]
#14149646 - 03/19/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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amilibertine said: It's crazy how closely radiation poisoning symptoms match up with amatoxin poisoning. Especially the couple day false recovery followed by organ failure.
maybe amanitas is the antidote to radiation sickness?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14149797 - 03/19/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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WTF is that??... and what do they use it for??
regardless... I want one
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: LuSiD9]
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
#14149909 - 03/19/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it looks like that red car is headed for certain death
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: LuSiD9]
#14149955 - 03/19/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Idiot]
#14150039 - 03/19/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a big ass ditch witch.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14185368 - 03/26/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did everyone just forget about what happened? Has there been any updates? About the nuclear crisis? Anything? I cant find any useful information
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masterfluffypants said: Did everyone just forget about what happened? Has there been any updates? About the nuclear crisis? Anything? I cant find any useful information
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/25/otsuchi.japan.quake/index.html?hpt=C2
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masterfluffypants said: Did everyone just forget about what happened? Has there been any updates? About the nuclear crisis? Anything? I cant find any useful information
No, I don't think everyone has forgotten about it. I've been following the news regarding the nuclear crisis on a daily basis. A brief update: - The heat generated by the fuel in the reactors and the spent fuel ponds remains roughly the same. This is normal, as decay heat deminishes very quickly in the first few hours after shutting a reactor down, but after a few days, the level stabilizes. As we speak, a couple of MW's are still generated at the plant, and that heat still needs to be removed from the reactor. - Plant personnel and external advisors (particularly from the US) are still working to cool the reactors and spent fuel ponds. AC power has been restored to the plant, but it is likely that there are several problems with the regular cooling systems, and new problems will keep coming up from time to time. So it's an ongoing battle in there. - Fresh water is used as much as possible (instead of seawater) to keep reactor components from corroding. Fresh water is now being transported to the plant using barges borrowed by the Japanese from the US Navy. Obviously, corrosion can become a nasty problem within the following weeks and months, as cooling systems will need to keep operational to deal with the decay heat. Moreover, fresh water tends to become less radioactive than seawater (due to its higher mineral content), so from an environmental/safety perspective it also makes sense to use fresh water as much as possible. Note that the use of fresh water has nothing to do with getting the plant operational again; apart from reactors 5 and 6, which haven't been damaged as far as we know, the plant won't generate any power anymore (reactors 1-4 that is). - Once in a while there are reports about the degree of contamination that occurs at the plant itself and in its environment. At the plant itself, a couple of workers have experienced bad radiation (beta) burns. These are caused by the workers having walked through a pool of water that later turned out to be highly radioactive and has been thought to come from the reactor core itself. It's still unclear how that water got out of the containment vessel, but it is thought that this is a clear indication that some damage to the containment vessel must be present. Reports on that are contradictory. Then there have been recent reports of very high (relative to normal) iodine 131 levels in the seawater right next to the plant; levels of 1000-2000 times normal. The upshot to this is that the ocean is pretty big, and the iodine will dilute immensely. Within a radius of 20km of the plant no fishing is allowed, so the health impact will be negligible. It's not good news of course, as it shows that contamination is reaching the seawater. On the land, the Japanese government has defined a yet wider zone (wider than the original 20km radius) where people are recommended to evacuate. Evacuation is not compulsory, but that is probably mostly to prevent panic; it is speculated that nearly all people from this new evacuation zone will indeed leave the area. Note that these neat, circular zones are a bit misleading, as the actual on-land contamination doesn't occur in neat circles. Due to wind conditions, especially streaks of land to the northwest of the plant are contaminated, although I'm not aware of exact measurements and the health effects thereof. - In terms of food and water contamination: the level of contamination of tap water in Tokyo is still much higher than normal, but still well below legal limits. Nevertheless, it is recommended to feed bottled water to infants due to their higher susceptibility to long-term damage from radioactive iodine 131. Several agricultural products have been shown to be contaminated well above legal limits, and stocks will be/are being destroyed. Food imports from Korea and Taiwan are rising sharply, as the Japanese population is taking little risk with locally produced food. Outside of Japan, there are still no health effects to be expected from this crisis, and no measures need to be taken by anyone outside the northern half of Japan.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14186744 - 03/26/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the update. So they didnt end up burying the reactors like they said they were going to do?
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what nuclear reactors? rods? wait whats going on here? what are you guys talking about?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: snoot]
#14187440 - 03/26/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've always wanted to see Japan. Part of me was maybe thinking about seeing if there's any volunteer/humanitarian work opportunities over there.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: snoot]
#14187524 - 03/26/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Legend]
#14188500 - 03/26/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: linkamathingy]
#14190627 - 03/27/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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They admitted levels 10 million times the safe limit.
The guy didn't stay to take another reading; he fucking ran.
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