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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Legend] 2
#14128498 - 03/16/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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They dont give a shit about the people!
if they did, our money would be spent on the people, not on foreign wars and billion dollar bail outs...
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Legend]
#14128501 - 03/16/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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legit27 said: maybe i shouldve had different wording. They are not letting anyone restock on potassium iodine.
Maybe it has something to do with why they are cutting funding for disaster relief protection and warnings.
and that would be?
How am I supposed to know?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: DeadHearts]
#14128508 - 03/16/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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legit27 said: maybe i shouldve had different wording. They are not letting anyone restock on potassium iodine.
Maybe it has something to do with why they are cutting funding for disaster relief protection and warnings.
and that would be?
How am I supposed to know?
touché.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: P-O]
#14128661 - 03/16/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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if they did, our money would be spent on the people, not on foreign wars and billion dollar bail outs...
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: LuSiD9]
#14128741 - 03/16/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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According to: http://yokosonews.com/live/
The two missing workers were swept away by the tsunami - not involved with the current nuclear situation or subsequent explosions and workers are back in the plant.
The best summary I could find on a reactor-by-reactor basis as of one hour ago:
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Status of quake-stricken reactors at Fukushima nuclear power plant TOKYO, March 16, Kyodo
Fukushima No. 1 plant
-- Reactor No. 1 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core, vapor vented, building damaged Saturday by hydrogen explosion, seawater being pumped in.
-- Reactor No. 2 - Cooling failure, seawater being pumped in, fuel rods fully exposed temporarily, vapor vented, building damaged Monday by blast at Reactor No. 3, damage to containment vessel on Tuesday, potential meltdown feared.
-- Reactor No. 3 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core feared, vapor vented, seawater being pumped in, building damaged Monday by hydrogen explosion, high-level radiation measured nearby on Tuesday, plume of smoke observed Wednesday, damage to containment vessel likely.
-- Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, fire Tuesday possibly caused by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, pool water level not observed, fire observed Wednesday at building housing reactor, no water poured in to cool pool.
-- Reactor No. 5, No. 6 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperature slightly rising in spent fuel pool.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: gzuf]
#14128896 - 03/16/11 02:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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BBC: 0811: The second British rescue team (not the government team) - International Rescue Corps - is on its way back from Tokyo after the British Embassy in Tokyo refused to give them a letter of authorisation which would allow them entry into the disaster zones and enable them to get fuel. "There's an emptiness and disbelief," said Willie McMartin, IRC Operations Director. "This was the 32nd world disaster we have been to and we've only had problems twice before with host governments in China and Afghanistan. We have never encountered the position where the British embassy, our own country, came up with a show stopper."
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Simisu]
#14128989 - 03/16/11 03:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This wikipedia article is being updated regularly based on the news reports that reach the West: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents
There is extensive damage to the fuel in reactors 1 and 2 and probably in the spent fuel in the pool near reactor 4. In addition, to maintain stable pressure levels in reactors 1 through 3, steam is vented periodically and to some extent continuously and uncontrollably due to damage to the reactor containment (reactors 2 and 3). From the fuel pool at reactor 4, steam will continue to be released uncontrollably due to damage to the reactor building. The combination of damaged nuclear fuel and venting of steam means that radioactive fission products will keep being released to the environment.
What this all means for the direct area surrounding the reactors, the Fukushima region, the northern half of Japan and the rest of the world depends on how events keep unfolding and on local weather conditions. It must be noted that the release of radioactive materials is significant, but nowhere near Chernobyl proportions. This suggests that long-term health effects from the contamination that has been released up to now will be very limited, which is partly due to the effective evacuation measures taken by the Japanese government. Here is an article on the effects of radiation and those of Fukushima in particular, based on the knowledge of radiation releases at the plant at this point: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12722435
Reactor #3 is now the most worrying one; helicopters are used to throw water on the overheating reactor. I understand that the evacuation of workers of the plant has been lifted, which implies that an emergency response team of reactor operators should be working at the plant now to help cool the reactors and spent fuel.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Simisu]
#14129015 - 03/16/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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BBC: 0811: The second British rescue team (not the government team) - International Rescue Corps - is on its way back from Tokyo after the British Embassy in Tokyo refused to give them a letter of authorisation which would allow them entry into the disaster zones and enable them to get fuel. "There's an emptiness and disbelief," said Willie McMartin, IRC Operations Director. "This was the 32nd world disaster we have been to and we've only had problems twice before with host governments in China and Afghanistan. We have never encountered the position where the British embassy, our own country, came up with a show stopper."
can someone translate this a bit, all im getting is that a rescue team was denied permission to enter. Are they trying to help in flooded area's, or with the nuke reactors? and whats this about fuel?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14129027 - 03/16/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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can someone translate this a bit, all im getting is that a rescue team was denied permission to enter.
That's my understanding as well.
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Are they trying to help in flooded area's, or with the nuke reactors?
I think just general assistance in the search & rescue effort.
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and whats this about fuel?
Due to logistical problems, supplies are difficult to get into the affected areas, so it stands to reason that fuel is only distributed to those involved in the relief effort, for which they apparently require a permit.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14129172 - 03/16/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It appears that the UK-based International Rescue Core was denied access to the area by the British embassy in Tokyo because the embassy would have been legally responsible for the team. This seems to have to do with the status of the IRC, which is by the UK embassy not recognized as an official NGO. Note that several other UK-based teams are already at work in Japan.
The helicopter thing above reactor 3 apparently didn't work, apparently because of excessive levels of radiation. Water is pumped into reactors 5 and 6 to help manage the decay heat.
In the meantime, the melting of fuel elements will continue for days, or even weeks, in those reactors where sufficient cooling cannot be warranted, which seems especially reactor #2 at this point.
The amount of decay heat at this point should be about 2.5 - 3.5MW in the smaller reactor 1, and in the vicinity of 3.5 - 4.5MW in the bigger reactors (2-3). I don't know about reactors 5-6 (4 was defueled, so no decay heat in the reactor itself), because I'm not sure how long they've been offline now, but I suspect levels are somewhere in the 0.5-2MW range. This means that the amount of water needed to cool the reactors is in the order of magnitude of 5 to 10kg/s (10-20lb/s), or 5-10 liters per second (1.25-2.5 gallons per second), assuming that the water can be heated by about 100C before it evaporates (which roughly matches the current ocean temperature and the pressure in the reactors).
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14129305 - 03/16/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Water canons are now being used to cool the reactors at the Fukushima plant. This is implied that the regular channels for bringing water to the reactors are for some reason not usable or insufficient. This is a worrying situation, not in the least because it is extremely difficult to get most of the water in the place you need it using a water canon, so cooling efficiency is likely to be low. Combine this with the fact that a water canon has a relatively low capacity compared to the water pumps used in a power plant, and it's easy to see that the situation is likely to deteriorate in the following hours. Anticipate reports of extensive damage to reactor core(s).
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14129307 - 03/16/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where is godzilla when you need him....
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Brainiac]
#14129312 - 03/16/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it's karma for WW2. Japan could of had the balls to defend against Hilter, like Russia did. But no, they chose evil.
Man I choose evil once and had to pay twice. Sometimes karma for negative shit comes back at yah 2x worse.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: iluvfungi]
#14129344 - 03/16/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The status of the spent fuel pools at reactors 4, 5 and 6 is getting more worrisome. In these fuel pools, the water needs to be circulated in order to release the heat generated by the spent fuel, but there is no power for the pumps. As a result, the water is boiling off in the fuel pools, which need topping up. It appears that the water canon(s) I posted about earlier are used for this purpose, but clear information is lacking.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Brainiac]
#14129961 - 03/16/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You aren't allowed to make Godzilla jokes in this thread.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14129983 - 03/16/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did anybody mention HAARP yet?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14129993 - 03/16/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes.
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#14129994 - 03/16/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You aren't allowed to make HAARP jokes in this thread.
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#14130010 - 03/16/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know if this has been mentioned, but isn't it pretty stupid to build a nuclear reactor right next to the coast?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: McTwist]
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