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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14107395 - 03/12/11 04:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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anyone have a gag counter?  I know there far away but...considering the earthquake and all....plus there were alot of retard babies a few gens back, could have been from the last time the japs encounted nuke technology and we got a whiff of it too, only nobody over here ever had the brains to whip out a gagger just to check?




A Geiger counter, or GM detector (Geiger-Müller). My dad used to have one back in the 1980s when the Chernobyl shit went down. I don't think we were able to measure any effect of that with our counter in The Netherlands. The radiation treatment my mother received a few years later was very well detectable though. It's safe to say that my mother has been a source of radiation that gave me a much larger dose than the Chernobyl reactor. Just to put things into perspective.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107399 - 03/12/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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koraks said:
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makaveli8x8 said:
anyone have a gag counter?  I know there far away but...considering the earthquake and all....plus there were alot of retard babies a few gens back, could have been from the last time the japs encounted nuke technology and we got a whiff of it too, only nobody over here ever had the brains to whip out a gagger just to check?




A Geiger counter, or GM detector (Geiger-Müller). My dad used to have one back in the 1980s when the Chernobyl shit went down. I don't think we were able to measure any effect of that with our counter in The Netherlands. The radiation treatment my mother received a few years later was very well detectable though. It's safe to say that my mother has been a source of radiation that gave me a much larger dose than the Chernobyl reactor. Just to put things into perspective.



:ilold:  I had chemo too I forgot about that.  I'ma kemo brain already:lol:


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: cacharstar]
    #14107401 - 03/12/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

have they not taken a radiation reading since the explosion?


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: clown133]
    #14107406 - 03/12/11 04:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They're apparently working on that, but specific readings (incl. time, location, etc.) have not been released to the public. It's also not to be expected that that will happen.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107408 - 03/12/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My friend said he just put on CNN and something about Charlie Sheen was on:whatwhat:.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107409 - 03/12/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

According to a Dutch science reporter, the exploded building at the Fukushima NPP was neither part of the reactor housing, nor of the turbine building. This would lend further support to the hypothesis that this was a pure steam explosion that did not involve the reactor vessel itself.

The problem of getting the decay heat away from the reactor remains. The good thing is that decay heat decreases as time progresses.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107410 - 03/12/11 04:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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According to a Dutch science reporter, the exploded building at the Fukushima NPP was neither part of the reactor housing, nor of the turbine building. This would lend further support to the hypothesis that this was a pure steam explosion that did not involve the reactor vessel itself.

The problem of getting the decay heat away from the reactor remains. The good thing is that decay heat decreases as time progresses.





How do you know so much about reactors?


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14107413 - 03/12/11 04:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yea cnn is an embarrassment to america


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: cacharstar]
    #14107418 - 03/12/11 04:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How do you know so much about reactors?



I have done research into issues of nuclear safety, which involved observations at a plant. After rounding up the project, I kept reading about this issue, as nuclear technology and in particular its safety aspects fascinate me.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107421 - 03/12/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What do you think its gonna do now?


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Paw_Paw]
    #14107437 - 03/12/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Impossible to tell; it depends on how well they are able to cool the reactor vessel. There are two scenarios that are polar types:
1. sufficient cooling is implemented, and the reactor cools down over the following few days and no further damage or significant release of radioactive material will occur.
2. cooling is totally inadequate and the nuclear fuel will further melt. It is likely that there is already extensive damage to the fuel elements, but as long as the reactor vessel is not damaged, this will not result in a release of radioactive elements to the environment. However, a partial core meltdown could occur, potentially damaging the reactor vessel itself. In that case, it is likely that the resulting 'corium' will flow into the containment structures underneath the reactor. This is messy, as it is nearly impossible to clean up, but as long as the fissile products do not come into contact with the ground water (or in this case the sea water, as the plant is on the shore), release of radioactivity to the environment is highly unlikely to occur.

So even in the worst case 2nd scenario, a significant release of radioactivity to the environment is unlikely, judging by the similar incident at Three Mile Island in 1979.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107439 - 03/12/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it might bust as far as what CNN is telling me at this point


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Paw_Paw]
    #14107448 - 03/12/11 04:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

News goes on about the "ceiling is down and walls blown out" I wonder if they really mean the sealing of the vessel though?

Also it seems that huge release of nuclear contaminates are impossible due to the design of the reactor even if the vessels ruptured.

Death toll from quake is at 1300 so far BBC said!  An horrific loss of life and so very sad :frown:


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Paw_Paw]
    #14107451 - 03/12/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The reactor vessel itself exploding is about the most unlikely event that could occur, because the pressure will find its way out through the coolant circuit long before the vessel explodes. So with the pressure vented, the core could melt.

An actual nuclear explosion is extremely unlikely due to the configuration of fuel in the core. Due to the design of the core and the disturbances as a result on fuel elements melting, there is insufficient moderation (not in the least because there won't be water in the core anymore) for a chain reaction to be sustained. So basically it will most likely just peter out, exactly like in the Three Mile Island accident.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #14107458 - 03/12/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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News goes on about the "ceiling is down and walls blown out" I wonder if they really mean the sealing of the vessel though?



No, there are no indications of damage to the vessel itself. The damage we see now is on a concrete structure above the reactor.

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Also it seems that huge release of nuclear contaminates are impossible due to the design of the reactor even if the vessels ruptured.



Indeed; a substantial release to the environment is unlikely.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107459 - 03/12/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you are right


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Paw_Paw]
    #14107468 - 03/12/11 04:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hope so too. I can't predict what is going to happen, and the worrisome thing is that in the case of really significant industrial disasters, nobody really considered the possibility of the disaster occurring the way it did. But things don't look as grim at this moment as words like 'meltdown' imply.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107478 - 03/12/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They are already saying the fuel rods have failed
Thats a pretty bad situation so far


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107484 - 03/12/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

According to a German journalist, the Fukushima I reactor 1 core has melted partly. Apparently, an NHK announcer for the first time used the word 'meltdown' as well. The extent of a possible meltdown is unclear.

Rumors have it that the measured radiation in the vicinity of the plant has dropped since the explosion earlier today.

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They are already saying the fuel rods have failed
Thats a pretty bad situation so far



While bad, that's not really news. It would have been really weird if no damage to the fuel elements would have occurred. This in itself does not worry me too much. I'm more interested in the extent and nature of the damage.


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Re: Magnitude 9.1 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14107488 - 03/12/11 04:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No its risen 2000% so far


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