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Being with someone who's narrow minded.
#14101188 - 03/10/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So i'm with this guy now, its not serious yet though. I like him, hes an art kid, like me, and a musician, but he thinks he's got it all figured out with his logic and reasoning.
We're both not stupid people, but i'm hesitant because we disagree on so many things. i'm fine with people having a different opinion on things, but this guys never tripped and he doesn't understand the collective consiousness vibe. In fact, he's really big on evolution and thinks souls don't exist, and neither does an afterlife. He's scientific about everything which is fine because i agree that science can be applied to a ridiculous amount of things. But how can i make him understand that we're all infinite and connected as one although experiencing things subjectively. I'm not trying to change his opinions to mine, i just want to help him understand the beautiful simplicity of the world. I think i should just trip with him to help him see it for himself. Also, he doesn't laugh enough. I think laughings important.
Does anyone understand where i'm coming from? Does anyone out there have friends who need to stop thinking in ... tangible, material, logical terms too much? I feel like this community might understand.
How can i open his eyes? I feel like if he could some one second consider my crazy thoughts it could make him happier.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14101234 - 03/10/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You really cannot change anyone. You could try having an MDMA session with him to try to open up his eyes a little.
But in the end it will probably come down with you having to make a choice. And if the differences mean alot to you and he is not going to change, it might be better to look for someone else before it gets to serious.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14101294 - 03/10/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i know i can't change people, i've learned that lesson before.
But do you think there's a way i can help him?
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14101301 - 03/10/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would he be willing to try real MDMA with you? That can be a real eye opener for people..
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14101311 - 03/10/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet he feels like you need to open YOUR eyes. I know you said you don't want to change his opinion to yours, but it seems to me like you do.
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But how can i make him understand that we're all infinite and connected as one although experiencing things subjectively
He will only "understand" it if it seems true to him. Everyone who trips does not end up thinking like that, so if you want to try tripping with him to see if it works for him then go for it. Just don't automatically assume that your view of the world is any more valid or true than his, and don't assume that his eyes are closed because he doesn't buy into the hippy theory that you like.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14101322 - 03/10/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds like doesn't buy into your baseless beliefs that "we're all infinite" (whatever the fuck that means) and who knows what else. Just because you took a bunch of drugs and had some conclusion about the universe or whatever does not make it true.
You should listen to your boyfriend, sounds like he's a lot less gullible than you are.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Shroomerette] 1
#14101325 - 03/10/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomerette said: I bet he feels like you need to open YOUR eyes. I know you said you don't want to change his opinion to yours, but it seems to me like you do.
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But how can i make him understand that we're all infinite and connected as one although experiencing things subjectively
He will only "understand" it if it seems true to him. Everyone who trips does not end up thinking like that, so if you want to try tripping with him to see if it works for him then go for it. Just don't automatically assume that your view of the world is any more valid or true than his, and don't assume that his eyes are closed because he doesn't buy into the hippy theory that you like.
I remember the very first amazing trip I had, my first ego death, I wanted to tell all my friends, my family, get them to experience what I had because it was so breathtaking. However I realized that it was something personal that I couldn't make other people experience - they had to do it on their own. I could act as a guide if they wanted it, but forcing or persuading them to do it would not work.
Its the same for you here. You can act as a guide, suggest it, but not really anything more. If its meant to be it will.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Shroomerette]
#14101388 - 03/10/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tymoteusz3 said: Would he be willing to try real MDMA with you? That can be a real eye opener for people..
Personally i've never tried it but my friend just offered me some today and she'll probably have it tomorrow, so i might get some. I don't know if he would but would it be more effective than shrooms as an eye opener?
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Shroomerette said: I bet he feels like you need to open YOUR eyes. I know you said you don't want to change his opinion to yours, but it seems to me like you do.
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But how can i make him understand that we're all infinite and connected as one although experiencing things subjectively
He will only "understand" it if it seems true to him. Everyone who trips does not end up thinking like that, so if you want to try tripping with him to see if it works for him then go for it. Just don't automatically assume that your view of the world is any more valid or true than his, and don't assume that his eyes are closed because he doesn't buy into the hippy theory that you like.
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call it a hippy theory if you want, but knowing this and experiencing oneness is one of the most amazing feelings in the world. I just want him to see how ridiculous the system is and see him laugh at the social standards and systems that shouldn't be taken seriously.
Maybe i'm just to much of a mystical and spiritual person with paranoia on the side, and we're just not a good match. How can i explain it though... I guess he does just need to see for himself.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14101401 - 03/10/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomerette said: I bet he feels like you need to open YOUR eyes. I know you said you don't want to change his opinion to yours, but it seems to me like you do.
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But how can i make him understand that we're all infinite and connected as one although experiencing things subjectively
He will only "understand" it if it seems true to him. Everyone who trips does not end up thinking like that, so if you want to try tripping with him to see if it works for him then go for it. Just don't automatically assume that your view of the world is any more valid or true than his, and don't assume that his eyes are closed because he doesn't buy into the hippy theory that you like.
I remember the very first amazing trip I had, my first ego death, I wanted to tell all my friends, my family, get them to experience what I had because it was so breathtaking. However I realized that it was something personal that I couldn't make other people experience - they had to do it on their own. I could act as a guide if they wanted it, but forcing or persuading them to do it would not work.
Its the same for you here. You can act as a guide, suggest it, but not really anything more. If its meant to be it will.
Thank you, i'll take your advice since you know what i'm trying to get across.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14101447 - 03/10/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm just curious OP, when you talk about these things is it more of an argument or a discussion? Does he try to convince you that the way that you see the world is wrong, or vice versa?
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Shroomerette]
#14101490 - 03/10/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Sounds like doesn't buy into your baseless beliefs that "we're all infinite" (whatever the fuck that means) and who knows what else. Just because you took a bunch of drugs and had some conclusion about the universe or whatever does not make it true.
You should listen to your boyfriend, sounds like he's a lot less gullible than you are.
fractals = everything = infinity, but don't take my word for it.
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Shroomerette said: I'm just curious OP, when you talk about these things is it more of an argument or a discussion? Does he try to convince you that the way that you see the world is wrong, or vice versa?
We don't argue, its just discussion. But it ends up leading nowhere sometimes. Today he said that death is funny, i agreed, but i said its not funny when the person didn't have time to say goodbye or when they had unfinished business or left on bad terms with someone. He said that those deceased probably don't give a shit anyway and i was going to explain my reasoning for why some would but i stopped because i knew he wouldn't believe it.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14102955 - 03/11/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Sounds like doesn't buy into your baseless beliefs that "we're all infinite" (whatever the fuck that means) and who knows what else. Just because you took a bunch of drugs and had some conclusion about the universe or whatever does not make it true.
You should listen to your boyfriend, sounds like he's a lot less gullible than you are.
fractals = everything = infinity, but don't take my word for it.
Everything's a fractal? Where's your proof of this? Where's your evidence?
Oh wait, there's none.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: HeavyToilet]
#14103008 - 03/11/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Sounds like doesn't buy into your baseless beliefs that "we're all infinite" (whatever the fuck that means) and who knows what else. Just because you took a bunch of drugs and had some conclusion about the universe or whatever does not make it true.
You should listen to your boyfriend, sounds like he's a lot less gullible than you are.
fractals = everything = infinity, but don't take my word for it.
Everything's a fractal? Where's your proof of this? Where's your evidence?
Oh wait, there's none.
Wheres your proof that there isn't? There is so much we do not know about ourselves and the universe it is entirely possible.
I don't see how someones beliefs should make you get all defensive. This thread if I read correctly was asking for advice about a relationship. It seems you are trolling?
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14103029 - 03/11/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: We're both not stupid people, but i'm hesitant because we disagree on so many things. i'm fine with people having a different opinion on things, but this guys never tripped and he doesn't understand the collective consiousness vibe. In fact, he's really big on evolution and thinks souls don't exist, and neither does an afterlife.[...] But how can i make him understand that we're all infinite and connected as one although experiencing things subjectively.
So both of you have equally strong convictions. There are three ways to deal with this: 1. Either of you changes his/her opinion to match that of the other. 2. Either or both of you accept the other's convictions and puts the issue at rest. 3. Break up. Simple, no?
When choosing between the options above, keep in mind that it's usually easier to change yourself than to change another person.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#14103035 - 03/11/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Sounds like doesn't buy into your baseless beliefs that "we're all infinite" (whatever the fuck that means) and who knows what else. Just because you took a bunch of drugs and had some conclusion about the universe or whatever does not make it true.
You should listen to your boyfriend, sounds like he's a lot less gullible than you are.
fractals = everything = infinity, but don't take my word for it.
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Shroomerette said: I'm just curious OP, when you talk about these things is it more of an argument or a discussion? Does he try to convince you that the way that you see the world is wrong, or vice versa?
We don't argue, its just discussion. But it ends up leading nowhere sometimes. Today he said that death is funny, i agreed, but i said its not funny when the person didn't have time to say goodbye or when they had unfinished business or left on bad terms with someone. He said that those deceased probably don't give a shit anyway and i was going to explain my reasoning for why some would but i stopped because i knew he wouldn't believe it. 
Honestly I don't think the relationship has much success. You have two TOTALLY different viewpoints, and while it can be made to work, you guys are not serious yet so get out before it gets serious and it makes leaving so much worse when you find out you really cannot deal with the incompatibilities.
Find someone with the same view as you. There are many out there. I think in the long run you will be happier.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14103153 - 03/11/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Sounds like doesn't buy into your baseless beliefs that "we're all infinite" (whatever the fuck that means) and who knows what else. Just because you took a bunch of drugs and had some conclusion about the universe or whatever does not make it true.
You should listen to your boyfriend, sounds like he's a lot less gullible than you are.
fractals = everything = infinity, but don't take my word for it.
Everything's a fractal? Where's your proof of this? Where's your evidence?
Oh wait, there's none.
Wheres your proof that there isn't? There is so much we do not know about ourselves and the universe it is entirely possible.
I don't see how someones beliefs should make you get all defensive. This thread if I read correctly was asking for advice about a relationship. It seems you are trolling?
I don't need any proof or evidence that there isn't. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. She made the claim that "fractals = everything = infinity." Just like how if someone made the claim that the universe was made by a giant turtle, they would have to present evidence to support the claim.
I'm not trolling, what I'm trying to show is that her opinion is baseless, and that it's ridiculous that she's saying her boyfriend is narrow minded by not blindly believing this garbage that she came up with while on drugs.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: HeavyToilet]
#14103177 - 03/11/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't need any proof or evidence that there isn't. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. She made the claim that "fractals = everything = infinity." Just like how if someone made the claim that the universe was made by a giant turtle, they would have to present evidence to support the claim.
I'm not trolling, what I'm trying to show is that her opinion is baseless, and that it's ridiculous that she's saying her boyfriend is narrow minded by not blindly believing this garbage that she came up with while on drugs.
I think the real issue is not whether its garbage or not (your opinion) but whether two people with strongly opposing views can be in a successful relationship.
While it does sometimes work for people who have two totally different religions for example, its quite hard and usually does not work if both are very strong in their convictions.
Also HeavyToilet, you don't have to believe or agree with anyone, but you should at least have an open mind and not shoot down everything that doesn't match your own beliefs. That is quite narrow minded.
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#14103201 - 03/11/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm perfectly open minded to hearing a claim if there is evidence to support it.
Why would you bother having an open mind on something that is baseless?
Look at my example of a giant turtle making the universe. Would you really consider people close minded if they considered that garbage?
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: HeavyToilet]
#14105709 - 03/11/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why don't you introduce him to the psychedelic experience. Sounds like a heavy trip would convince him of "ultimate reality" or whatever you want to call it..
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Re: Being with someone who's narrow minded. [Re: PDU]
#14106049 - 03/11/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Be the shroomery to mention MDMA to possible help.
Meaning thats actually a great idea. That stuff does wonders, its sad they took it out of therapy sessions in the 70s. (drug act)
Hes being a guy. Guys are like that. Do you want a little lost puppy who is dumb? or follows the leader?
Like other people said its opposing.. possibly wont work, but your here to seek answers and see if you can make it work, cuz you like him. Keep trying it could be the best thing that ever happened to you, or just find another fish.
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