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Addiction and Free Will
    #14100768 - 03/10/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hello there.

I'd like to hear your opinion on this : assuming that addiction is when, psychologically, you just can't say "no" to something, do you think that people who believe in the concept of free will are in a better position to recover from an addiction?

And if you think that addiction is mainly a physical thing, would you say that not having the control on how your body behaves is a lack of free will?

I really hope any of this made sense.
Somebody say something.

Thanks! :thumbup:


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: ManyAk]
    #14101412 - 03/10/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Hello there.

I'd like to hear your opinion on this : assuming that addiction is when, psychologically, you just can't say "no" to something, do you think that people who believe in the concept of free will are in a better position to recover from an addiction?


No. :shrug:


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And if you think that addiction is mainly a physical thing, would you say that not having the control on how your body behaves is a lack of free will?


No, I would just say it's the lack of the ability to control a certain thing; free will is not the ability to control absolutely everything.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: ManyAk]
    #14101428 - 03/10/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Its all about the mindset. I'm addicted to masturbation. I didn't know that I was for a very long time. Then I had a huge epiphany on addiction, and it was basically that I beat off for the way it makes me feel. It relaxes me, mellows me out in the same way that weed would, or any other drug with similar side effects.

Now, after I realized this I tried to curb my addiction, but all I found was annoyances. I was hyped up, my brain going a million miles an hour, and I couldn't sleep for the life of me. So, with this I realized that I was just used to a mindset- I was used to how I felt, and I was going to have to change that if I was ever going to stop masturbating so much.

Luckily no chemical addictions were involved with this, as it would more than likely be much, much harder. I believe most of breaking is just moving out of your comfort zone, although that gets more and more difficult the longer you have the addiction.

Free will? I believe it can have a chance of making that person more successful, but I think that just being aware of the things you do, the addictions you have, and trying your best to control them should make up for them.

Everything in moderation, even moderation!


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Joolz]
    #14101488 - 03/10/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Then I had a huge epiphany on addiction, and it was basically that I beat off for the way it makes me feel.




wha wha?the fu/K?


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: auxiliary]
    #14101503 - 03/10/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Anyways, I feel the same way.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: auxiliary]
    #14101513 - 03/10/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't mean the orgasm. Its never been about the orgasm. Its the brain stimulant that I was after. The part AFTER sex where you smoke the cigarette and go "how was that?" That's the part of sex I like best.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Joolz]
    #14101517 - 03/10/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Its all about the mindset. I'm addicted to masturbation. I didn't know that I was for a very long time. Then I had a huge epiphany on addiction, and it was basically that I beat off for the way it makes me feel. It relaxes me, mellows me out in the same way that weed would, or any other drug with similar side effects.





Well, doing it for fun/stress relief is the motivator, but evidence suggests males masturbate to get rid of the old sperm. Regular masturbation increases the chances of getting the ladies pregnant.:naughty:


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Rahz]
    #14101527 - 03/10/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Its all about the mindset. I'm addicted to masturbation. I didn't know that I was for a very long time. Then I had a huge epiphany on addiction, and it was basically that I beat off for the way it makes me feel. It relaxes me, mellows me out in the same way that weed would, or any other drug with similar side effects.





Well, doing it for fun/stress relief is the motivator, but evidence suggests males masturbate to get rid of the old sperm. Regular masturbation increases the chances of getting the ladies pregnant.:naughty:




Haha, true that. Ain't no baby for me.  :ass2mouth:


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Rahz]
    #14101532 - 03/10/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:awesome: Even more reasons to keep doing it!


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: auxiliary]
    #14101547 - 03/10/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I certainly didn't think that my thread would turn into a masturbation discussion.

But that's alright.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: ManyAk]
    #14101556 - 03/10/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:ilold: but seriously I KNOW what you're talkin about. or asking or whatever. just gimme a few days to think about it.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: ManyAk]
    #14101564 - 03/10/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think the concept of free will could serve as an effective placebo.

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And if you think that addiction is mainly a physical thing, would you say that not having the control on how your body behaves is a lack of free will?




I think everything is a lack of free will.:shrug:


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Rahz]
    #14101664 - 03/10/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Regular masturbation increases the chances of getting the ladies pregnant.:naughty:


You're making it sound like that's a good thing. :tongue:


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I think everything is a lack of free will.:shrug:


Why? How are you (and the OP) defining free will?


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14101766 - 03/11/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think free will is an illusion but believing in free will can certainly help overcome addiction IMO.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: deCypher]
    #14101792 - 03/11/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...believing in free will can certainly help overcome addiction IMO.


I believe that it can, but don't see how people who believe in free will are in a better position to recover than people who don't.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14101817 - 03/11/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's just a guess on my part, but I feel like believing in free will can help give a feeling of optimism that one can break free of the deterministic cycle of drug addiction, and that feeling of optimism can in turn improve one's chances of breaking free by boosting morale.  :shrug:


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: deCypher]
    #14101833 - 03/11/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What about faith?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14101857 - 03/11/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I imagine that'd probably help as well.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: deCypher]
    #14101884 - 03/11/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Who, IYO, would be in a better position to overcome addiction: a person who has faith that their addiction will be overcome no matter what because everything is meant to be (such a person does not believe in free will), or a person who believes in free will?


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14101893 - 03/11/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It would depend on how strongly the person with faith believes that their overcoming addiction was meant to be and on how strongly the person who believes in free will believes in their own will-power.  :tongue:


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: deCypher]
    #14102083 - 03/11/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So in other words, it's neither faith or the belief in free will that determines whether or not one is in a decent position to overcome addiction, but rather, it's their ability to utilize either one towards that end?


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14102144 - 03/11/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They still help determine that, but yes, I'd say their ability to utilize either one also is a factor.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: deCypher]
    #14102186 - 03/11/11 02:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They still help determine that, but yes, I'd say their ability to utilize either one also is a factor.


Which factor do you think is more significant in determining that? What do you thing helps determine that more, faith or belief in free will?


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14103392 - 03/11/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why would someone who waits around for something good to happen be better off than someone who knows they can make something good happen?


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14103398 - 03/11/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't get it.

Poid, are you suggesting that faith and free will are similar concepts, in the context of overcoming addiction that is?

Because I think that free will is more useful in this situation. What I mean is that no matter how strongly you believe that ''something'' will cure you, you'd also have to admit that someone could strongly believe that ''something'' will make him sick, and therefore become addicted.

So I think faith is not a good tool when it comes to curing diseases. It can do exactly the opposite of what you want.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong too.


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: Poid]
    #14104208 - 03/11/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They still help determine that, but yes, I'd say their ability to utilize either one also is a factor.


Which factor do you think is more significant in determining that? What do you thing helps determine that more, faith or belief in free will?




Dunno, but this sounds like a fascinating question for a psychology research study.  :thumbup:


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Re: Addiction and Free Will [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #14104480 - 03/11/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Then you should've +1'd it. :bored:


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