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Re: Obeying the Law [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14095998 - 03/10/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There isn't a single political topic I'm more passionate about than the re-fucking-diculousness of marijuana not being legal while alcohol is. I'll restrain myself and save it for another discussion :smirk:. I'm the same way; the rare occasions when I have anything other than weed in my possession I make sure to use the utmost discretion. That's part of being a responsible drug user as far as I'm concerned. I'll give you that; the "Drug War" is just as senseless as any other war, if not more so. I’m just not sure how society would handle the full legalization of drugs. I guess I’m not against it but I’m not sold on it either, enlighten me :smirk:.


Only one ":smirk:" per paragraph is permitted. :nono:

I don't really think being a discrete drug user necessarily means that you are a responsible one, and I don't think responsible drug users are necessarily discrete; if drugs were legal, I probably wouldn't be discrete at all, but I would still be responsible in the sense that I would ensure that I wouldn't do anything that would put my, or anybody else's life at risk.




They don’t always correlate, true. In the current state of society discretion is a responsible thing to practice though. It doesn’t necessarily mean that discretion is the only thing that makes a drug user responsible, or that responsible drug users are always discrete. That said, confession time: Some buddies and I smoked a bowl sitting on the curb at 4am while in San Fran a couple weeks ago. Knowing it’s a small fine if caught doesn’t instill too much fear, and we are all what I would consider to be responsible drug users. Experiencing that freedom was nice, and now that I look back on that memory nostalgically, I can attest that it would be liberating to be able to roam this playground that we call our world without the fear of being punished for doing something that we enjoy.


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I think it's much more senseless than other wars, sometimes war is necessary. I personally don't care if people fuck their lives up on drugs, it's neither my problem or business. I only have this one life, and I think it sucks ass that I have to skirt around the law in order to do what I enjoy, all because a bunch of junkie 'tards fucked up their lives on heroin. I don't care how society would handle the full legalization of drugs, as long as it doesn't cause the violent crime rate to soar.

The fundamental purpose of government IMO is to protect us from each other, and to try to improve the quality of life of citizens as a whole; the government has absolutely no business to be telling us what we can do with our own bodies IMO, that they can and do is almost unbelievable.




Up until this point I felt that having no consideration for what others do to themselves is selfish, at least in regards to the drug legalization issue. Then I was smacked in the face with the realization that I am selfish. In order to dispel any type of hypocrisy, I’m going to have to hop over to one side of the proverbial fence. Following that, I realized that I really don’t care what drugs people do or how they choose to fuck up their lives, if that’s what happens when they indulge in drugs. I know that when I use drugs, I do it responsibly and that’s the end of the road for my concern for the millions of miscellaneous junkies out there. I do, however, have concern for people I consider my friends and how they use drugs, and would intervene if I noticed them fucking up their lives because of drug use, which is fair. And while the government is here to protect us from each other, it seems to have taken on the role of protecting us from ourselves. This is where things get fucked and when drug laws come into play. I am the only person I can directly affect with my personal drug use. Having those laws in place is just trying to keep me from harming myself. That’s a bit of an intrusive role the government has taken on, and I don’t appreciate it.



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Free access, like being able to walk into a 7/11 and buy an 8-ball of coke, if it were legal. More than just free access to drugs, there would also be more locations to purchase drugs from. These statements are made under the possibly inaccurate assumption that there would be very loose regulation on the sales of drugs if they were to be fully legalized.


I don't see what's so wrong about them buying dope in 7/11, why would you have a problem with that if it's not any of your business? I think, in an ideal state, drugs that are sold in stores would come with a modest tax, and we'd have the full right to produce whatever drugs we wish to in our own homes.




Again, with the newfound realization that personal drug use only directly affects one individual, I have no complaints against this. Taxes would be good for the economy, but would also support the same government that deems it necessary to protect us from ourselves. I want to do the contrary, and explore myself with myself (my mind). I’ll do my best to keep my findings from being a threat to…myself. Thanks for trying to keep me safe Uncle Sam, but I’m just not interested :shrug:. Plus being able to grow bud or mushies without the fear of legal repercussions would be pretty fucking awesome.



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Access to the black market for drugs isn’t always the easiest to find, especially in some parts of the country. Where I live I’m fortunate to have access to any drug I could ever want and then some. Not everyone has that luxury, and for those individuals the black market isn’t freely accessible like it would be if they could just walk into a store to make the same purchase. It sounds like you don't have the easiest time obtaining psychedelics either  :aweman:.


I don't, it sucks. I used to have a reliable source for acid, but that disappeared.




That’s a bummer. I'll share some irony with you; all of the acid we get here comes from San Fran :justdontknow:.



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If people were smart, they would understand that it's the individual, not the drug, that is to blame for drug abuse, and that forbidding everyone from using drugs just because some people fuck up their lives with them is unfair.




Once again, I agree with you, there is a big difference between drug use and responsible drug use. It is the individual who controls what the drugs do to them (not the affects of the drug of course, but how they allow the drugs to control their lives). I still believe that full legalization would encourage those who would never use drugs pre-legalization just because they didn’t want to do anything illegal, and these are the individuals who could potentially give drugs a bad reputation.


If it's legal, who cares? I really couldn't give a shit if drugs become legal, and some people who wouldn't have tried drugs if they were still illegal ended getting high; why is this such a concern for you?




If they were in fact legal, then there would be no harm in somebody giving drugs a bad reputation, because the main thing that having a bad rep would hinder is legalization which would have already happened. As of now, it makes my stomach churn when I read in the news that someone ate some mushrooms and ripped somebody’s heart out. Thanks for that dude :rolleyes:. That story got force-fed by the media to the same society that already gives psychedelics a negative connotation, resulting in a shitstream of ignorance that only serves to hinder the legalization of drugs. Everyone’s heard a story like that, and when it keeps happening, time and again, it scares people away from considering the legalization of drugs. And since we live in a society where drugs aren’t yet legal, it really does fuck it up for the rest of us when someone uses the drugs irresponsibly. Not in the sense that any of us are personally affected (unless it was your heart that got ripped out), but it’s like taking two steps back right after making a step forward. I’m all for the “fuck you do what you want with your life” mentality, but try your best not to ruin it for the community who respectfully uses drugs, which is also a fair point of view to have.


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Not every single one of them, but there would probably be an increase in the amount of uneducated people suddenly taking an interest in drugs and end up abusing them because they’re freely available to possess and use without legal consequences.


So? There's a such thing as rehab.




True that, perhaps rehab centers would become so successful that they’re turn out to be just the boost our shitty economy needs :yesnod:.


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I'd prefer it if drugs were 100%, then I wouldn't have to deal with dirty hippies in order to get my psychedelics, and sketch-ass black people in order to get my coke. :macdre:




I hate to say it, but I think you’ll still be picking up your fry from the same dirty hippies, they’ll just have a business license hooked onto their braided hemp necklace :smile:.


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Re: Obeying the Law [Re: deCypher]
    #14096013 - 03/10/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Is this moral obligation to society more important than the one to ourselves?




Entirely depends on what system of morality you adhere to.  :tongue:

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Does it?

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Re: Obeying the Law [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14096088 - 03/10/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Does it?


The fuck?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Obeying the Law [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14100038 - 03/10/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Explain to me, how humans are not animals.


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Re: Obeying the Law [Re: irie.one]
    #14100464 - 03/10/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't really think being a discrete drug user necessarily means that you are a responsible one, and I don't think responsible drug users are necessarily discrete; if drugs were legal, I probably wouldn't be discrete at all, but I would still be responsible in the sense that I would ensure that I wouldn't do anything that would put my, or anybody else's life at risk.




They don’t always correlate, true. In the current state of society discretion is a responsible thing to practice though. It doesn’t necessarily mean that discretion is the only thing that makes a drug user responsible, or that responsible drug users are always discrete. That said, confession time: Some buddies and I smoked a bowl sitting on the curb at 4am while in San Fran a couple weeks ago. Knowing it’s a small fine if caught doesn’t instill too much fear, and we are all what I would consider to be responsible drug users. Experiencing that freedom was nice, and now that I look back on that memory nostalgically, I can attest that it would be liberating to be able to roam this playground that we call our world without the fear of being punished for doing something that we enjoy.


I smoke bowls pretty much wherever the fuck I want. :vaped:


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I do, however, have concern for people I consider my friends and how they use drugs, and would intervene if I noticed them fucking up their lives because of drug use, which is fair.


Would you intervene by sticking them in a cell with rapists, murderers, violent aggressors, thieves, etc.?


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And while the government is here to protect us from each other, it seems to have taken on the role of protecting us from ourselves.


I believe that role is highly inappropriate.


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This is where things get fucked and when drug laws come into play. I am the only person I can directly affect with my personal drug use. Having those laws in place is just trying to keep me from harming myself. That’s a bit of an intrusive role the government has taken on, and I don’t appreciate it.


Neither do I, it pisses me off that there are people in this world who actually believe that the government should protect us from ourselves; apparently, this is the majority of people, since politicians who support anti-drug legislation keep being elected, and this fact sickens me a bit.


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Again, with the newfound realization that personal drug use only directly affects one individual, I have no complaints against this. Taxes would be good for the economy, but would also support the same government that deems it necessary to protect us from ourselves.


Would a hypothetical government that allows its citizens to use whichever drugs they like be considered one deems it necessary to protect them from themselves? I think it would depend on the said government's other policies, but I don't think anti-prohibitionist policies alone would indicate that a government deems it necessary to protect its citizens from themselves.


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I don't, it sucks. I used to have a reliable source for acid, but that disappeared.




That’s a bummer. I'll share some irony with you; all of the acid we get here comes from San Fran :justdontknow:.


Haha, that's pretty funny. I don't know too many acid users, and the ones I do know don't have any reliable connections to the stuff. I think you're pretty lucky to know people who can actually get acid, people like that have been few and far in between IME.


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If it's legal, who cares? I really couldn't give a shit if drugs become legal, and some people who wouldn't have tried drugs if they were still illegal ended up getting high; why is this such a concern for you?




If they were in fact legal, then there would be no harm in somebody giving drugs a bad reputation, because the main thing that having a bad rep would hinder is legalization which would have already happened. As of now, it makes my stomach churn when I read in the news that someone ate some mushrooms and ripped somebody’s heart out. Thanks for that dude :rolleyes:.


:rofl2:


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So? There's a such thing as rehab.




True that, perhaps rehab centers would become so successful that they’re turn out to be just the boost our shitty economy needs :yesnod:.


:yesnod2:


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I'd prefer it if drugs were 100%, then I wouldn't have to deal with dirty hippies in order to get my psychedelics, and sketch-ass black people in order to get my coke. :macdre:




I hate to say it, but I think you’ll still be picking up your fry from the same dirty hippies, they’ll just have a business license hooked onto their braided hemp necklace :smile:.


Nah, I don't think so; if fry were legal, then it would be much easier to get and I wouldn't have much of a hard time getting it from somebody who isn't a dirty hippie.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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