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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: johnm214] * 1
    #14079736 - 03/07/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

As neither a conservative or a liberal  the bullshit reeks from both sides fairly equally imo.

I see almost noone with an open mind to any great degree. That's the nature of religion and politics.

And I see plenty of it in myself also. It seems to be human nature.

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Icelander]
    #14080096 - 03/07/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
As neither a conservative or a liberal  the bullshit reeks from both sides fairly equally imo.

I see almost noone with an open mind to any great degree. That's the nature of religion and politics.

And I see plenty of it in myself also. It seems to be human nature.

What the thinker thinks, the prover proves - Robert Anton Wilson




Completely agree. This is the big problem, what is the distinction between right and wrong, and who gets to make that choice. One mans heaven is another mans hell.

Too many people choose a side and are not prepared to accept other peoples choices or opinions. They are not prepared to listen, they fail to make a compromise, then whine and moan when people disobey, ignore or question them.

If we all lived the same life, we would have the same opinions, but because of our own individuality, personality, the people who we grew up with, the actions we take in our lives, all of our opinions are sporadic, also because of our human nature, we from time to time change our opinions. So what we felt was 'wrong' 10years ago, may not be the same as we feel today.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14098283 - 03/10/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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canvassing the comments found on yahoo! news creates the impression that the average american voter is somewhere to the right of atilla the hun...but is that really so??.. or are we just meant to think that ..

http://www.alternet.org/media/150049/corporate-funded_online_%27astroturfing%27_is_more_advanced_and_more_automated_than_you_might_think/

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- companies now use “persona management software”, which multiplies the efforts of the astroturfers working for them, creating the impression that there’s major support for what a corporation or government is trying to do.

- this software creates all the online furniture a real person would possess: a name, email accounts, web pages and social media. In other words, it automatically generates what look like authentic profiles, making it hard to tell the difference between a virtual robot and a real commentator.










Well, it should be obvious to anyone possessing more than two functional braincells that neoconservatives have been attempting to hijack the liberty/teaparty movement.

What I find peculiar with you my friend is your apparent inability to distinguish between the fundamental differences between the neo-cons and the old school  liberals (liberal meaning "one who loves liberty" being the older way of defining said term).  Democrats and false conservatives both support the welfare/warfare state and the international banking cartel.

Long story short, the democrats have more in common with the neocons than the tea party...


Methinks that you may have a problem with freely operating markets because you mistakenly confuse the causation of the present economic nosedive to be attributed to nebulous factors such as "greed" or "human nature" instead of recognizing that our economic woes are caused by central planners.......

"Astroturf" is phraseology utilized by ill-meaning and morally bankrupt people  Nancy Pelosi, it thus lacks any real credibility.

Your continued insinuation that teaparty = racism is ignorant beyond belief.  It is nothing more than a blatant corporate media attempt to marginalize a growing number of righteously angry Americans.

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14098298 - 03/10/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

NPR, corporate media whores that they are, is solidly on the case.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14098352 - 03/10/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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NPR, corporate media whores that they are, is solidly on the case.






Something to contemplate zap:

If the dollar continues to deteriorate will the U.S. remain capable of being the "world's Policeman"?

What does this mean for Israel?

Still support the banking cartel?

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14098391 - 03/10/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Mr.Al said:
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zappaisgod said:
NPR, corporate media whores that they are, is solidly on the case.






Something to contemplate zap:

If the dollar continues to deteriorate will the U.S. remain capable of being the "world's Policeman"?




Still haven't seen that plummet you keep babbling about, Al.  I'm hoping that deposing the current idiot in the White house will right any problematic relation to other currencies.  Did you know that a slightly weaker dollar means a better competitive position for American business?
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What does this mean for Israel?




Nothing.
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Still support the banking cartel?




What cartel?


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14098481 - 03/10/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"Denial": it's not just a river in Egypt zap. 

The manufacturing base in the U.S. has been rapidly disintegrating.

Did you also know that a stronger dollar would increase the flow of capital goods into the U.S.

If there is no productive capability the Americans will soon not even be able to afford shitty goods from China @ Wally World.

If the American people can barely put food on their table and gas in their tank do you honestly believe, even with a hefty dose of sociological manipulation, that they will continue to support Israel militarily?

Playing dumb about the banking cartel is something you should consider beneath yourself.

You should maintain some standards zap.  Plausible deniability wears thin these days.

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14098499 - 03/10/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've heard this ignorant bullshit for over 30 years, Al.  It's all crap.  The banks have not one thing to do with any decline.  They aren't the ones who put 35% of the population on the dole.  It was the legislators continuing the idiotic enabling of losers begun in earnest by FDR.  You're tilting at the wrong windmill.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14098532 - 03/10/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I've heard this ignorant bullshit for over 30 years, Al.  It's all crap.  The banks have not one thing to do with any decline.  They aren't the ones who put 35% of the population on the dole.  It was the legislators continuing the idiotic enabling of losers begun in earnest by FDR.  You're tilting at the wrong windmill.





You don't like welfare because it bites into the warfare budget. 

The social welfare that you rail against was made possible by the central bankers.

If it was funded by taxation by itself the ponzi scheme would have been evident some time ago.

So perhaps the difference between you and Anna is that she supports socialist welfare for the non-productive and you support socialist welfare for the producers of death and destruction (Lockheed Martin, Halliburton,the Pentagon, et cetera...)

Some company you keep...

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14098581 - 03/10/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I've heard this ignorant bullshit for over 30 years, Al.  It's all crap.  The banks have not one thing to do with any decline.  They aren't the ones who put 35% of the population on the dole.  It was the legislators continuing the idiotic enabling of losers begun in earnest by FDR.  You're tilting at the wrong windmill.





You don't like welfare because it bites into the warfare budget. 

The social welfare that you rail against was made possible by the central bankers.

If it was funded by taxation by itself the ponzi scheme would have been evident some time ago.



Jesus, Al you just keep getting crazier and crazier.  The fucking bankers had nothing to do with creating the welfare state.  They could have done it with wampum.  Just stop.  As far as the defense budget goes, if you cut that and achieve the even vaster wealth that you foresee when the bankers are gone who is going to let you keep it?  Word to Ron Paul, there are other countries in the world and it gets smaller every year.  Some of them are powerful and without restraint.  How's your Mandarin?

The soc sec Ponzi scheme has been clear since the beginning, Al.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14098638 - 03/10/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If the money supply was stable it the government would have soon run out of the means to continue it's welfare programs.

Who would buy Treasuries if it was evident that the "dollars" that would be utilized to pay them back do not and will not exist?

Attempting to marginalize a logical argument by calling it "crazy" is weak sauce zap.

You have to do better than that.

The point about the Soc.Sec/Medicare ponzi is that it would not have reached the degree that it has without an inflationary monetary policy.  It would have been financed through straight taxation rather than the insidious "inflation tax". 

Do you think China has Israel's back?

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14099907 - 03/10/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If the money supply was stable it the government would have soon run out of the means to continue it's welfare programs.




Clearly false, Al.  And the money supply has been very stable.
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Who would buy Treasuries if it was evident that the "dollars" that would be utilized to pay them back do not and will not exist?



I dunno.  I don't buy them.  BUt I have no problem with anybody else buying them.
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Attempting to marginalize a logical argument by calling it "crazy" is weak sauce zap.

You have to do better than that.

The point about the Soc.Sec/Medicare ponzi is that it would not have reached the degree that it has without an inflationary monetary policy.  It would have been financed through straight taxation rather than the insidious "inflation tax".




Facts not remotely in evidence, Al.  How about the giant fraud they pull by making people think that they are only paying half?  Or that most people think Soc Sec is an investment fund?  Banks aint causing it, Al.  Legislators are.  Tilt at the right fucking windmill for a change.
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Do you think China has Israel's back?




I don't care but this kinda helps reinforce my opinion that you, Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell hate banks because you think they are run by a Jew genius cabal.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14102671 - 03/11/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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As neither a conservative or a liberal  the bullshit reeks from both sides fairly equally imo.





It is the socioculture of all 3 centrist/establishment parties that inevitably leads to such a thing. they are both hypocrites and agree that politics is full of liars. keith olbermann and Glenn beck says politics is about lies.

The truth is that politics is about lies but at the same time it is not . if your opponent lie you have no choice but to follow suit, this means that both side can destroy democracy which is truth and debate, as opposed to the dark ages without a public life, a public debate and only religious obscurantism.

sometime just saying what others are not saying is not lieing, you simply are pointing out information nobody is pointing like for example
the cooperation of Pseudo-leftists with hitler like Francois Mitterand, who got his job for the same reason frédéric Mitterand got the job as a minister of communication and culture, that is little boys and the money. gold chains and bitches ?!!?$! no difference anyway, the type of asshole was the real problem. His personality is promoted. it doesn't matter what type of flaws the man has,

The real problem is that american culture in quebec,france,europe, everywhere weaker economically ends up destroying our soul and deeply corrupting the political and media culture. France has an history of tolerance to the phenomenon evidenced by sartre and their age of consent being 15, this show that they tolerate such relationships in average more than for example americans who set it to 18. The capitalist mentality of americans, which is one of being a millionaire at 26, and the mentality that we need to maintain such a society where it is possible or where really smart 26 years old are very rich. Especially that we must maintain it at whatever price imaginable since this is after all, only politics. make this economist class or race act selfishly in ideological defense of itself. they know that they will lose their job if we go back to the gold standard so they fight to death so that it doesn't happen. same thing with reefer madness and every other bullshit in history. it was even worse for the jews and israel but that's what real politics was about, the real change that you wouldn't do or talk about because it hurts people. not because it might offend or hurt people, but because it will ruin's somebody'S ripoff or legitimate business, in which case politics is to defend him.

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: communeart]
    #14103005 - 03/11/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Reply to FAIL.  That was a quote from Icelander.  I am most certainly conservative


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14103034 - 03/11/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You would never say something like that. :lol:


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Icelander]
    #14103079 - 03/11/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

oh, was replying to something 4 days ago.

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I don't care but this kinda helps reinforce my opinion that you, Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell hate banks because you think they are run by a Jew genius cabal.




:grin:

so you blame legislator and we blame banks. but who is responsible for the irresponsibility of the legislator? how do we go from there? my point is that we must destroy establishment, the republican party and the democrat, and it must happen everywhere in europe/america at about the same time. the same way as the muslims.

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: communeart] * 1
    #14103399 - 03/11/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Who is responsible for the legislature?  The voters, particularly the jackass voters who are constantly electing the politician who promises the most chickens for their pot.


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14105354 - 03/11/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Many of the central bankers are jewish.  That does not make it racist to point out that central banking is immoral and is responsible for the deteriorating buying power of the dollar.

Murray N. Rothbard was a legendary jewish libertarian and free market economist.

Playing the race card is substandard work zap.

Social security is paying out more than it is taking in.

Of course the debt is being monetized.

What is Quantitative Easing zap?

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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14108194 - 03/12/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Would this be a correct definition?

"Conservatives believe that individuals are responsible for themselves, and that the community benefits from the efforts of the individuals acting in their interests. Thus less governmental programs, less taxes, and less government is the goal.
Pro-life
Equality takes a back seat
Patriarchal
Believe there is reverse racism in affirmative action
No Gun Regulation
No social help
No separation of church and state
Religion in public schools
Support the death penalty
Free Market"


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Re: dont believe comments on yahoo!... [Re: SpiritDreamer]
    #14108654 - 03/12/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Many of the more divisive issues which are utilized by mainstream media to polarize the public would be solved by allowing states to run themselves.  Anti abortion folk can live in states where it is not allowed.  Those who wish to favor abortion can live in states where it is legal.

I don't know what you mean about being against "equality", I guess it depends on how you define it exactly.  I feel that an individual is not entitled for something he didn't work for.  Maybe that's an old fashioned idea but it seems to work while the alternative clearly does not.

I think a man should be hired for a job based on his qualifications, which has not a damn thing to do with his skin color.  I guess that means I'm not racist.  Affirmative action is an excellent example of racism.

I'm not completely against the death penalty.  I think it is overused and should be reserved for special people like certain treasonous politicians.  Nothing else ever really got through to those folks historically speaking.

Here's another old fashioned idea that makes sense; when the money buys more ever single year life is good and the women complain a lot less.


That last one may not be "politically correct" but it is the most honest and accurate statement you've probably heard in quite some time.

Free markets, including the money, F.T.W.

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