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Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use?
    #14096039 - 03/10/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So like everyone suggests, I visited a local hydroponics store to seek for the hidden coco coir I have trouble finding locally and ended up buying a bag that is used for plant growing. It was called "sunshine ultra coir" coconut coir blend. The only other choice there was Atami (B'cuzz Products) CocoFiber from The Netherlands(im assuming for weed growing =D..), Pure fiber but I wanted Coir.



Now 1st of all, I was pretty exited to actually find the coir so I didnt really read the details of the bag until I got home.

Its 50% coir (I thought it was more =(...) and has peat. It also has some perlite, dolomite lime, mycorrhizae and organic wetting agent (whatever that is). Now Ive been reading that the peat moss is pretty acidic and would need adjusting but I encountered a PDF with details about this specific soil from the official site. The ph seems fine right?

pH – 6.00 – 7.00

Soluble salts – 1.5 – 2.5 mmhos/cm
Nitrate N – 25 – 60 ppm
Phosphorus – 1 – 10 ppm
Potassium – 150 – 450 ppm
Calcium – 30 – 60 ppm
Magnesium – 10 – 25 ppm
The actual PDF from SunshineAdvanced.com

I was planning on pasteurizing with some cow manure and verm so it gets a better blend and Still gonna add gypsum and spent coffee.

So do you guys think its a go? What about also adding a brick of coco husk with the coir/peat/poo/verm/coffee/gypsum mix to make it more cocoish?
Any input would be great, thanks!


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14096160 - 03/10/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'd take that back and get coir.


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14096197 - 03/10/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

coir is impossible for me to find unless I order it online. I only have coco husks available at pet stores.


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14096264 - 03/10/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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coir is impossible for me to find unless I order it online. I only have coco husks available at pet stores.



The stuff at petsmart/petco is fine


You don't have any petsmart/petco around?

Also, if you REALLY can't find it locally, Amazon has it pretty cheap.


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: Psilocyentist]
    #14096277 - 03/10/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

CocoFiber from The Netherlands is it from bionova?


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: virus1824]
    #14097323 - 03/10/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have bought coco fiber and used it before, from petsmart but I know its different from coco coir because it comes form different parts of the coconut. I could only find this bag around town. As for the Netherlands bag, Idk all I saw on the bag was that it was form the Netherlands. its online too at Hydrofarm.com


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14099073 - 03/10/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I have bought coco fiber and used it before, from petsmart but I know its different from coco coir because it comes form different parts of the coconut. I could only find this bag around town. As for the Netherlands bag, Idk all I saw on the bag was that it was form the Netherlands. its online too at Hydrofarm.com



The Eco Earth bag I posted is what everyone uses and is what people refer to as "coir"


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: Psilocyentist]
    #14099089 - 03/10/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

coco coir, and coco fiber are the same thing..just for future references.....

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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: Psilocyentist]
    #14099094 - 03/10/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Bricks are easier to prepare anyways...

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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: biologys]
    #14099124 - 03/10/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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biologys said:
coco coir, and coco fiber are the same thing..just for future references.....



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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: chainsaw1298]
    #14099571 - 03/10/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

what about coco husks then? same o thing?
And does the fiber have to be compressed? Cant I also purchase that bag of pure coco fiber that is fluffed in a big bag?


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14099590 - 03/10/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yes fluffy coco fiber, or compressed, its all the same thing

compressed expands and turns fluffy upon adding water

coco husks are chunks and its real hard for the mycelium to consume and colonize it.

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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14099608 - 03/10/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

like this one?
41 lb, 50 liter bag for $30 at my local hydro store.


The Same stuff I said that came all the way form the Netherlands.

I remember guy saying it was pure fiber but I was shooting for coir :shrug: I got the other instead. Still learning....

worth buying??


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14099621 - 03/10/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

as long as its pure coco fiber, or coco coir, with no trich added, then yea


read the package it should say 100 percent coco fiber or 100 percent coco coir

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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: biologys]
    #14099662 - 03/10/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yes fluffy coco fiber, or compressed, its all the same thing




No, coco-coir, pre-bagged from a hydroponics store for plant growth is fortified with trichoderma spores.  Trichoderma spores are beneficial to plant growth.

Trichoderma attacks would be invader contaminates to soil that would inhibit root growth.  Op, your safest bet is to get the lizard substrate coco-coir compressed into bricks, already displayed above.  Check your local pet stores or stores specializing in reptile sales for the correct coir.  If they don't have it, inquire who may and where you might be able to find some either locally or online.


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: biologys]
    #14099669 - 03/10/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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biologys said:
as long as its pure coco fiber, or coco coir, with no trich added, then yea


read the package it should say 100 percent coco fiber or 100 percent coco coir





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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14099709 - 03/10/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If it's pre-bagged, it's treated with Trichoderma.  Case and point:  In the picture of the coir in the OP, the packaging clearly states "PREMIUM COCO COIR BLEND"  You wanna' guess what the "blend" is?

Search stores specializing in reptile sales for the symbiotic lizard substrate coir used in Damion5050's coir tek.  If the stores in your area specializing in reptile sales don't have it, inquire with them who may, and where you might be able to find some either locally or online.


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: biologys]
    #14099727 - 03/10/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey B , are you serious , added Trich ?  Is that why my all my cubes contamed after the first flush ?  Shit !


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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: hamloaf]
    #14099733 - 03/10/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

not true, i can purchase large bags of non-compressed coir, thats 100 percent...i didn't read the bag, and thats why i stated to read and if it says 100 percent


but yea can purchase big bags of it not compressed at all, with no trich added..atleast i can here..

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Re: Sunshine advanced ultra coir....ok to use? [Re: biologys]
    #14099758 - 03/10/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



Japanese coir.  100yen per brick.  Just don't use to cultivate psychedelic mushrooms, they are illegal over here, don't you know.

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