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Cynosure
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CEV - a comparison;
#14098051 - 03/10/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Closed eye visuals are something I find myself to be very fond of (sober or intoxicated).
I often have visual meditation sessions. These sessions provide me with great visuals, but I find that I often have to think of something to visualize. Once that visualization has appeared, I can manipulate it, add to, take away from, or wipe it out completely. However, in adding or removing items from these visual images, I'm required to think about each change. If I don't think or force an image into my mind-space, the canvas will remain blank (with an occasional few random shapes created in the void).
In visualizations brought on by psychedelic (or even dissociative) substances, I never have to think about or force an image to come to mind. They just sort of pile themselves onto the canvas randomly. These visuals, of course, change rapidly and sometimes without my consent. Some of the more hardcore psychedelics (LSD, LSA, mescaline, etc.) tend to compose themselves more of randomly layered, ever-changing shapes. Most dissociative visuals lead me to places, much like my sober visualizations but differ from the sober visualizations because they are completely random. I seem to find more pleasure in the random visuals than I do with my sober visuals.
Where do you guys think the difference comes from? Why am I unable to 'let go' in my sober meditations and have randomness fill the void?
Obviously the drugs are inducing the randomness, but it seems my mind should be able to create this randomness on its own.
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: Cynosure]
#14098121 - 03/10/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's the drugs, maaan
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: Anthony917]
#14098523 - 03/10/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've had relative success with this while I was doing meditations to achieve astral projection. I've never had success exiting my body, but I did achieve random, drug-like visuals for brief moments. You really have to relax before 'forcing' the visuals. Once they're there, however, focus your full attention on them whilst staying relaxed. Almost try to see them as if your eyes were open. Once you get even the slightest feeling that you're actually seeing what you're seeing with your eyes open, everything just happens on its own. Your body starts vibrating and goes totally numb and the visuals become much more animated, alive. I dunno that's what happens for me anyway haha. It takes more than just a few minutes of meditation in complete darkness to achieve this and the experience usually lasts just 10-20 seconds, as I get too excited and lose my relaxation.
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grow mushrooms.
you seem like you would enjoy HPPD 
search hypnogogic hallucinations or hypnogogia. i find the back of my eyelids most amusing while going into a sleep/relax state
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: jingus]
#14098902 - 03/10/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ThePhilosophizer said: I've had relative success with this while I was doing meditations to achieve astral projection. I've never had success exiting my body, but I did achieve random, drug-like visuals for brief moments. You really have to relax before 'forcing' the visuals. Once they're there, however, focus your full attention on them whilst staying relaxed. Almost try to see them as if your eyes were open. Once you get even the slightest feeling that you're actually seeing what you're seeing with your eyes open, everything just happens on its own. Your body starts vibrating and goes totally numb and the visuals become much more animated, alive. I dunno that's what happens for me anyway haha. It takes more than just a few minutes of meditation in complete darkness to achieve this and the experience usually lasts just 10-20 seconds, as I get too excited and lose my relaxation.
Thanks for your reply!
I've had this sort of thing happen before, but it's always right before bed time. I will try harder to relax and let go a bit more during my visual meditations and see if this proves to be effective for me!
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jingus said: grow mushrooms.
Ahaha, they're well on their way!
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jingus said:you seem like you would enjoy HPPD 
I very much enjoy the days after a trip where you still get those slight OE and CE visuals. I tend to spend the days after a trip meditating on and off for long periods of time.
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jingus said:search hypnogogic hallucinations or hypnogogia. i find the back of my eyelids most amusing while going into a sleep/relax state
Yes, I've had them happen right before sleep.. but I'm usually so out of it at this point that I don't realize it's happening and I hardly ever remember what images were brought into this space. I'm hoping to be a bit more aware while they happen so that I can focus on them and witness what they might evolve into.
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: Cynosure]
#14099072 - 03/10/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have CEVs in a straight, sober state. All I need to do is close my eyes. Best viewing as I'm going to sleep or in meditation. They are greatly enhanced in a stoned state. I never knew this was unusual until I learned of "CEVs" on this forum. It's almost like interactive TV where I can either sit back and watch the show (I call it a kaleidoscope but it's much more complex than that), or interact with and/or conjure up images and objects and manipulate them however I want. It's interesting to hear people have to actually work to be able to do this.
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: NGC6705]
#14099109 - 03/10/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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When I think of "conjuring up" images and "manipulating" visuals, I assume it means you are making some sort of effort, or taking steps in thought to perform these actions.
The CEV's I'm hoping for are ones that don't require any thinking or manipulation on my part, but rather arise from nothing (much like when intoxicated) in order for me to simply witness.
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: Cynosure]
#14099318 - 03/10/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cynosure said: When I think of "conjuring up" images and "manipulating" visuals, I assume it means you are making some sort of effort, or taking steps in thought to perform these actions.
The CEV's I'm hoping for are ones that don't require any thinking or manipulation on my part, but rather arise from nothing (much like when intoxicated) in order for me to simply witness.
I can do both -- either sit back and watch, or interact.
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: NGC6705]
#14099404 - 03/10/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is there any difference in your set/setting from when you can conjure/manipulate them and from when you just witness the randomness?
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: Cynosure]
#14099931 - 03/10/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cynosure said: Is there any difference in your set/setting from when you can conjure/manipulate them and from when you just witness the randomness?
No difference at all. The "images" themselves seem to have some dependency on my mood and possibly my environment, but in general my "straight" CEVs all have the same general set of characteristics.
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Re: CEV - a comparison; [Re: NGC6705]
#14100004 - 03/10/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you should try lighting a candle to light the room and focus on it until its burned into your minds eye when u close eyes, and play music to see if the energy of the music will move it. works tripping hahahah as u know.. i dont have a clue, i see random shit anyway
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