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How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 * 14
    #14097244 - 03/10/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)
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My second version includes some stuff on the history, neurochemical action, etc. It has a lot more research into the feasibility of seeds as alkaloid sources, paspalic culures, some good info on how to find claviceps purpurea or claviceps paspali (though not as "step by step" as before). I reworded some parts from syntheses so they could be understood a little more easily for the nonchemist, my hopes being that if you read through them after my explanations you will be able to follow them at least a little. This time I did not focus so much on the down to earth approach, and instead tried to provide a lot of information and resources for further exploration. My goal is that this will help people to better understand the process, and is not intended as a guidebook on how to make it (don't make it).

I'm working on a book, a very in-depth look at LSD, and this is just the beginning of that work. It only took me about three days to put this one together, and I plan to research and write my book over several months, so please don't assume anything about the book based on this "pamphlet". If you have any questions, want some pdfs or have any suggestions or corrections please let me know. If you disagree with anything please do cite your sources.



oh and this time it was actually a little longer than the last one (even though my original intent had been to make it shorter), and I tried to cut it down to fit in the post, but I wasn't happy with the amount I would have to cut out, so I just put it in pdf form and attached it.


Here's some of the first version I found- its in more simple language, but it isn't the whole version. I think if you read through it and then read through the pdf though it might help to understand it better. I hope



Personal Story
I won't get too detailed and I'll try to not go off on philosophical or emotional tangents, but I intend to be open, honest, and pragmatic in my approach. I don't want to just bore you with technical jargon, but I also want to provide you with all the relevant information. So how do I do that? Well first things first: a little introduction.
I think I have an almost cliché story when it comes to psychedelics. I was born and raised in a small town by conservative Catholics, but in high school turned from the beliefs I was brought up with. I was about to become an atheist when I was fifteen, but I decided first I should study all the other religions I could to see if I could find something which made sense to me. I studied all the major religions, and seriously considered each and every one. For a short time I became rastafarian, but the belief that Haile Selassie was God was hard to completely believe. Rastafarianism, however, encourages its followers to find their own path through iditation and open mindedness, and this belief pushed me to further study other religions and philosophies. I began to read the Dhammapada (a Buddhist text), and selections from the Vicana (“the words of Buddha”), looking for something to disagree with, having turned quite cynical about religion in general. I continued to read, however, and could find nothing that I didn't agree with. I began to research Buddhist philosophy, refusing anything modern or second hand, relying instead heavily on translations of the Pali canon of the Tipitaka. I didn't necessarily agree with every word, but at some point I just had to accept that I believed it deeply enough that I was now a Buddhist. So why am I telling you all this crap? Its how I began to get into entheogens.
I had smoked weed and had a few trips in high school at parties, but I didn't really know anything about them. They were fairly important catalysts in my life I suppose, but I didn't really realize it; first and foremost they were recreational experiences. In the midst of all this however, I turned Buddhist, and just discovered, somewhat by accident, the shamanistic possibilities of entheogens. Mostly I had a deep respect for weed (partially from my rastafarian dabbling), and when I had a lot of down time one summer I began to research growing it. Now when I say a lot of down time, I mean I had a job where I sat in a tower and looked at crap on my laptop for eight hours a day, full time, all summer. I quickly got through all the books and forums and magazines, and was well on my way to growing some good dank. Around the time my plants were in the vegetative cycle, my brother had a horrible accident and was rushed to a specialist hospital for about a month. He had no health insurance so I decided to really go all out with my grow and attempt to help pay for his medical bills. Now I had just graduated from high school and was still living in my moms house, but I was stupid enough to try to get away with growing in stealth boxes. After my brother got out of the hospital we went to the same college together, and one day leaving for class he was freaked out about being late and wouldn't let me close up my stealth boxes. I threw a blanket over them and hoped my mom wouldn't venture into the closet that day; she did. I was kicked out and moved into an apartment with my brother.
I decided I was done growing weed, but my brother was increasingly depressed about his medical bills and asked if I could help; I responded that I could grow weed if he was okay with it being in the apartment. He gave the go ahead. Now, at this time of few friends of mine were getting into growing shrooms, so I began to learn about that as well. When my grows were done I never had more than a few ounces and it really didn't pay for any medical bills. I learned how to make hash and hash oil, and began to experiment with THC extractions as well to try to squeeze more money out of it, but still most of the time the only money I made paid for my own habits and the costs of production. Part of it was just that I wasn't ballsy enough, nor did I have to money for a big grow, not to mention that I didn't want to risk stressing out my brother further.
Well this was when my brother attempted suicide the first time. I remember he came to my door and asked for some kava kava pills. I went to get them and noticed his nose was bleeding; there was a bottle of hydromorphone on the counter. I said something like, “Jesus dude, how many did you take”, to which he replied, “I don't know, there were only twelve in there”. That was too much by most people's standards, and certainly by his. I began to piece things together and asked him if he was alright. He broke down in tears and grabbed an exacto blade and ran to his room. Luckily instinct jumped in and I beat him to the door, slamming it shut; I tried to calm him down, but nothing could work. He went to take the exacto blade to his wrist, but I hit it out of his hand and tackled him to the floor. After hours and hours of talking him down I managed to get him to lay down while I got all the pills and blades locked up. I was hoping that the next day my family would say move back in or take him to the psych ward, but it didn't happen. He became increasingly depressed and his behavior turned increasingly strange and difficult to deal with.
In my stupidity, as well intentioned as I may have been, I became convinced that I needed to find a way to pay off his debts. I experimented further with mescaline, DMT, growing mushrooms, etc, etc, but none of it was truly feasible to pay his debts, except one; LSD. I had researched LSD out of pure curiosity since I first researched weed when I was fifteen. Now I hit it hard, and jungian archetypes in some of my trips encouraged me in my alchemical pursuits as long as my intentions “were pure” and I was careful to do things professionally, safely, and didn't get greedy. I admit I had fantasies of selling enough LSD to buy a legitimate business or a house, or a billion other things, but I knew I only wanted to use it to help my brother. At the time I didn't have a job, and I basically failed all of my courses because I skipped my finals to drive my brother into town after his suicide attempt and just gave up on them from stress and preoccupation with my brother's worsening condition. The next semester I tried to keep my grades up, and did attend class...sometimes. My brother also wouldn't really “allow” me to hang out with anybody without him, always finding a way to invite himself along or make plans with my friends without me. With this isolation and excessive free time I spent long hours watching TV and trudging my way through LSD research. I quickly understood how to make all the other big name drugs which I hadn't known much about recently, and so I quickly fell deeper and deeper into the “inner circle” of drugs. I helped a friend of a friend set up his cannabis grow attic, another friend how to grow shrooms, and I learned from another guy how to make ecstasy. Once you know enough about drugs and go through enough deals you learn how to find like minded people and get hook ups safely and with relative ease. Everyone I met like this had no phone (or at least we all claimed we didn't) exchanged fake names, and many moved frequently; the only times I was granted access to somewhat new hookups actual physical address was when they were about to move, although other times I would know the guy for a long time and only at an opportune time would he show me what was going on in the closet. Now you shouldn't get the wrong idea, I was no big time gangster drug lord or anything; felony sized deals still stressed everyone out even as they became increasingly common place, and violence was avoided at all costs. Really we were just in a small community of entheogen enthusiasts, and many of us experimented with some type of “manufacture”. I personally pushed to perfect smaller batches in hopes that someday I would gain the skills to make LSD, and turned away from simply pushing for larger quantities to stuff my pockets. I think this is a big part of how I accelerated so quickly through the different disciplines of drug manufacturing, and really my focus was always on achieving the best product I could. I guess in my mind I didn't always have the connections for the best, or even the most reliable, so I loved the idea that I could scratch my itching curiosity for how drugs were made (and perfected) and get free drugs of the highest quality I could find. Fairly quickly I reached the end of the road for simply researching what other chemists/alchemists and growers said, and had to venture out into researching more obscure sources as well as those more directly researching chemistry.
I began to spend time in the library reading chemistry textbooks, as well as online books, college lecture videos, et cetera, and over the summer I worked on my lab collection and skills like hydrolysis and column chromatography. It quickly became apparent that I had to find ways to obtain ergot and other chemicals which didn't entail a trip to another country or spraying a rye field with ergot. I did have many hook ups from labs, but I didn't want to risk asking a friend of a friend to steal diethyl ether or diethylamine (the big two I needed) from the labs they worked at or had classes in. They honestly were quite comfortable with it, but I wanted a way to not place so much trust on someone else.
All this research seemed to barely be going anywhere until a few month span when I finally really could start understanding syntheses. From this point things quickly progressed, but I was still paranoid and stressed so I continued to research while I tried to devise a plan to make the coveted drug-and whether I should even continue. Doubts began to creep in that perhaps I should find another way to help my brother or that I should focus on school, or a million other things. I also was beginning to develop HPPD like symptoms from tripping too frequently-about every three days to once a week for over a year. It was at this time, however, that I first found ergot. I was researching ergot late one night when I did 800mg of mescaline, and in a few hours when the sun came up I decided to do a little hunting. I had an area picked out that seemed like a likely candidate so I drove up there as the sun was still rising, walked around for a while, and then it happened. I walked up a hill and the light was shining down in a beam onto this rye, I was tripping so I was thinking damn, if there is ergot on that...well shit, maybe its not a “sign”...but that would be crazy.  I walked up in the sun shining down, looked through the rye, and low and behold, there was some claviceps purpurea. I continued collecting for a while, and got home to weigh it all out; I only had about 300mg, but it was a start. I didn't really take it as any “sign”, because I don't really have a god or believe in destiny or providence of any kind, but this event, strengthened by the mescaline trip, certainly encouraged me to continue my efforts. I kept hunting, hoping to find a field that could supply me with enough ergot to realistically produce acid. I got small amounts everywhere, and found better and better fields, but still nothing plausible until one day when I realized there was an abandoned field by an old mountain bike trail of mine. I went to check it out and sure enough there was ergot fucking everywhere. I picked for only twenty minutes and got over three grams. I aimed for an ounce, which I could easily pull off if I picked a few hours for just a couple of days, and I surveyed that field; you could pick for weeks without exhausting it. The funny thing is that I actually found four more fields about this good as well later; I realized that if you are in the right spot, its easy to find ergot. So I had everything set up, I had the skills, I had the sources, I just needed some money to get started. Well I had just been fired from my summer job so I decided to sit back and wait for my financial aid refund. I received a letter that I was kicked out of school, however, and my hopes fell; maybe it was all for the best and I should quit. But I appealed the decision and got back into school. I worked hard to get good grades and just sat back waiting for financial aid, determined to focus on school and let the LSD thing play itself out in time. I didn't realize though, that I forgot some crucial paperwork for financial aid; I finally did grow impatient and go into the financial aid office, but it took a while of filling out this form and waiting for more forms, and repeating over and over again. Well, in this time frame I did continue to research LSD, but I had read everything I could find on it, and I had reread it-over and over and over-so I began to pursue other interests. A new perspective was growing that perhaps I didn't need to make LSD, the curiosity had worn off, and my brother was actually slowly turning around. An ex cop had moved in across the hall and one morning I went out to the parking lot to find about six cop cars; my heart stopped as they started questioning me, wanting my apartment number, saying they were going to come up and question me later. I found out that it was about some vandalism with some trucks but the stress was just too much, and after a few weeks of contemplation I had a strong DMT trip which gave me all the answers. In hyperspace I talked with Buddha who said something like look for the love, and I realized I didn't love this anymore; maybe I wanted money or I wanted to just not give up, but I didn't really love the idea of making LSD at the moment. Buddha advised me to just take a break and see how I felt about it, and of course I saw that this was just what I thought myself on a deeper level. I was trying to finish off the last of my peruvian torch when my 2l separatory funnel broke, and I just decided fuck it, and threw almost everything away and sold the rest. I had a few papaver somniferum growing, and of course hundreds of seeds, some mimosa hostilis, peruvian torch, cannabis seeds, a couple spore syringes and a bunch of other mycology supplies, hydro systems, led lights, an hps light, cfl boxes, stealth growing boxes, the separatory funnels, all sorts of flasks, dessicants, evaporating dishes, tubes, gloves, masks, drippers, vials, soil and substrate mixtures, pipes and bongs of course, maybe ten finished blotter art sheets, a couple grams of ergot, scales, hash making shit, chemicals a-z, ozone generators, carbon filters, etc, etc, etc. You can call me a pussy for quitting or whatever, I don't care, but I just realized it would be a really nice vacation to take some time off from constantly risking years in prison and write a book, spread the information on how to make LSD. There are a lot of people out there complaining about the drought left after huge suppliers like operation Julie and the whole Pickard bust, and I just decided I would love to help out by actually writing down what I know, spreading the information, getting it out there, and perhaps, just maybe, making enough to help pay for college textbooks hahaha.
So there you are, if you stuck around to actually read my story and give a shit, then thanks for your time; I really just think it puts things in perspective a little better, and it should show you that you need to do a good amount of your own research. By the end of this book you should have a very solid skeleton to build on to if you want to make LSD, and maybe some of you who already have some experience making ecstasy or other drugs will be able to pull it off with just a little practice. My goal is to explain all the little details that are completely omitted from all other books about LSD, such as how to actually obtain the precursor materials and the procedures necessary to make LSD. If you go to school to learn how to make LSD, you will need to take at least one or two organic chemistry classes, which you won't get in to for a few years in college, and which you can't take with out either pursuing some kind of relevant degree or paying out of pocket. You don't have to take this approach, however, if you simply learn the processes and theories which readily pertain to LSD manufacture. Once you take away all the mathematics, college exams, tuition, etc, and see it in an alchemist type of light, you will see that this “reverse engineering” type of approach is actually quite manageable once you break it down and study it piece by piece.









Now LSD is the type of thing that can always be purified farther because it is just so astoundingly potent. Active in a range of micrograms (smaller than a grain of sand), LSD tolerates few mistakes and requires an almost obsessive amount of skill and attention to detail in order to reach good quality. Studying the processes which LSD manufacture deals with in depth will allow you to handle it professionally and get to a point of understanding in which you can begin to improvise, using methods which are not described, and equipment and chemicals not listed. This is not intended to simply be a step by step instruction book, but more of an in depth informative source for starting off on the path to making LSD. If you truly think you have it in you, then read the rest of this book and study it thoroughly, but then read throughout the rest of the literature out there. Study procedures for critical steps such as hydrolysis and chromatography until you have a firm understanding and practice them until you have a “steady hand” at them. It is my hopes that this book will help fill in all the holes and bridge the gap in information about LSD manufacture. In exchange, I beg you to be mature, realistic, and safe.

So, who feels like learning how to make LSD?























Part 1-Setup and Supplies

The important thing to consider when preparing your setup and obtaining the equipment and materials required to make LSD, is that LSD is extremely potent. Since it is active in the microgram range, skimping on any equipment or using inferior chemicals, etc can actually dramatically affect your quality and your yield. I will describe the very cheapest and easiest ways possible, but I must caution that this is no place to skimp.

Lab Equipment
I would to just say beforehand, that you should do some of your own research into laboratory equipment and procedures. I highly recommend Introduction to Organic Laboratory Techniques: A Small Scale Approach, for a more in depth knowledge on lab equipment, as well as later on for procedures. There are also many very good laboratory manuals, diagrams, and other resources out there which will help you familiarize yourself with the organic laboratory. It is easy to simply spend some time online researching different laboratory equipment, but I would highly suggest you try to use some type of guide to get started out or else you could miss something very important.
The first thing to take into consideration with basic lab equipment like beakers, flasks, and other glassware is the different types of glass, and even for certain parts such as clamps and filter discs different plastics and metals. The very cheapest, most “ghetto” method possible is actually improvising your own equipment. This meth lab approach can actually produce decent results under the most experienced and skilled chemist (if you've ever watched District 9, you will notice the prawn's lab is made from these plastics), but for most it is extremely dangerous and nearly out of the question. I will say however, that I find it acceptable to improvise a simple flask if you are short on containers for a short period while mixing and transferring different chemicals. The way to find the correct material is to look on the bottom of the container for HDPE or some other marking. Look up the type of plastic, metal, etc (and make ABSOLUTELY sure you know what the chemicals will be touching, because sometimes it will be different on the inside, or the plastic will have different grades for that type, etc) on a chemical resistance chart (ie just google chemical resistance HDPE). These charts will show you what is safe to use with your container, for example HDPE is “satisfactory” for use with acetic acid, but  marginal for acetone or benzene. OH WAIT THOUGH! you should look closer, certain concentrations of acetic acid are safe with HDPE at certain temperatures. Its attention to details like that which can be the difference between going to the hospital and successfully following through with your plans. ALWAYS check, double check, triple check, and quadruple check any type of plans you have to deviate from the normal instructions. Each time you plan on making ANY type of change, do some research into it; its simple just google something like “petroleum ether vs diethyl ether” and take a good amount of time to actually research it rather than believing the first forum that pops up telling you that you can make ether by spraying starter fluid down a pipe.

Also the next ghetto method involves cooking, cleaning, and automotive supplies. For example you can definitely use pyrex measuring cups to measure out most chemicals. Its really not even that “ghetto” because a lot of chemistry equipment is pyrex, BUT not all pyrex is necessarily equal, and before you can tell the difference I would recommend you stick to using kitchen stuff for measuring powders or dessicants, or something like that and play it safe with the chemicals.

Now for the “correct” method. Chemistry glass ware comes in all different shapes and sized and types of glass. The first thing to consider is glass type. Pyrex is the basic type of glassware and generally the cheapest, although many newer plastic types of lab ware are more inexpensive and in some cases even higher quality. Now the next type of glass, borosilicate, used to be what Pyrex was made of, but more modern glass ware is often easily distinguishable in quality as Pyrex or borosilicate. If you are knowledgeable on glass pieces for smoking, you may already know this basic difference, as well as the next one: thickness. Thickness is generally a sign of durability, and sometimes sturdier, thicker lab equipment will survive being dropped on the floor or a clamp that is too tight better than cheaper and thinner glass. For LSD manufacture pretty much any “real” chemistry equipment will do, but amber or green tinted lab ware may be a good idea, as well as higher quality equipment. There are also special types of glass for certain purposes, such as polyethylene, but unless you are using methods that involve hydrazine I wouldn't worry too much about special lab equipment.

The specific number of flasks varies depending onhow many different chemicals you intend to use as well as simple personal preference. I would recommend a minimum of three sizes of each type of flask a relatively “small”, “medium” and “large” of each, and and additional one or two for your favorite type of flask(s) and perhaps even less for flasks you will not use very much and one or two of “specialty” flasks. For example I really like volumetric flasks so I would get at least three of each basic size, probably a few erlenmeyer flasks, a few florence flasks, one or two evaporating flasks, and it might be nice to also get some different sizes of filter flasks. If you are on a tight budget and can only pick one size of any type of flask, go with a larger size.
You will always need various lab gear and utensils such as: good gloves which can withstand chemicals, goggles are a good idea, even if you operate under a flow hood or in a glovebox, pipettes, stands, clamps, TLC (thin layer chromatography) paper is a good idea and can be use to make blotter sheets as well, hair nets or hats of some kind, long sleeves, and a dust mask or bandanna (and even a gas mask if you don't have a flowhood or are inexperienced with one and are stupid enough to try messing with hydrazine with that little experience-although really all I can say is DON'T, if you really don't know enough to know you need to be very careful with hydrazine, then DON'T USE IT!), joint grease, tubing, etc. Some of these things you can get away with and some...you shouldn't try to. All of them will make your life easier, and in the case of the somewhat inexperienced chemist, all of them should be bought.

The “big name players” that are needed are:

separatory funnel(s)-I would recommend at least one large one (helps with the bigger extraction) and at least one small one (to run through after the larger one for better purity).
vacuum filtration set up-There are a few different pieces needed for vacuum filtration. The basic things needed are a vacuum flask (get a big enough one to handle your needs, so probably around the same size as your largest separatory funnel), a buchner funnel, filter disks, filter paper, rubber rings, rubber hose, and a vacuum source. Most laboratories will use a mechanical pump for a vacuum, and this really is ideal, but these pumps are noisy and expensive. A lot of whole sets sold will include a hand pump, but these don't always perform well. The best solution for our purposes is the water aspirator; essentially an aspirator hooks up to a faucet and uses the pressure of the flowing water to create suction and a vacuum in the flask. This is the part which is done with t-shirts or coffee filters for many acid base teks on the internet, but if you plan on making lsd, then some type of vacuum filtration is almost mandatory. If you could create a sufficiently protected environment you may be able to find other ways, but the quality will suffer dramatically. Also vacuum filtration will only work in certain cases, so if you are beginning to understand some of these basic procedures do not get carried away with yourself; as always it is important to follow directions and use a molecular sieve if called for or evaporate if called for, etc.

Magnetic Stirrer-A magnetic stirrer/hotplate combo is not necessary for LSD because of its sensitivity to heat, and the myriad other possibilities for temperature control, but it may be a good investment for those interested in MDMA manufacture. It is also theoretically possible to sit around in the dark stirring or shaking a flask with a stir bar in it for hours upon hours, but if you consider the difference between your human ability and a magnetic stirrer, and as always the potency and therefore high purification requirements of lsd, a magnetic stirrer is a crucial component of lsd manufacturing.

Chromatography column- There is absolutely no way to get around this. Uncle Fester does indeed have a method detailing how to make a DIY column for massively scaled production, but I advise just using a professional grade column. Most chemists that put out large quantities of LSD do so in many small batches anyway; as they say don't put all your eggs in one basket. Chromatography columns also require sand (chemistry sand, NOT train track, ally way, beach sand) and an elute.

Evaporation setup-This part can be a little tricky with LSD. Excessive heat or air cannot be used to evaporate, so the options are limited. Probably the best solution is a rotovape, but these can be costly. Another option is to use desiccant in a very well protected environment (probably inside of a dessicator inside of such an environment, although such an environment might be obtainable in the dessicator itself.) Other methods such as flash evaporation, evaporation flasks, etc, may be used but any method which relies on heat can only use a heat at which lsd is safe at and will most likely not give the best results. So basically a rotory evaporator is highly recommended, but there are many, many methods of evaporation and further research will be required of those looking for an alternative even if I were to explain these methods.

Lights-I have read amateur syntheses which did not use different lights, but yield/purity was invariably affected. For protection throughout the processes a photographic red safe light, and a photographic yellow safe light are good ideas (these MUST be photographic safe lights, not just any red or yellow light will do. A black light is required for analysis of TLC or column bands.

Distillation setup-Distillation equipment is only needed if certain chemicals such as diethyl ether or diethylamine can not be readily obtained. Generally it is very useful stuff to have around and has many uses, such as for obtaining a long list of watched chemicals like safrole oil from sassafras albidum (for MDMA), or even making your own alcohol! Technically distillation equipment is illegal to own without some type of license or at least a reasonable excuse, but apparently many chemists don't realize this or these bans are simply just not enforced well because you can easily find distillation apparatus online- even on eBay or craiglist-for very reasonable prices.
Atmospheric control-This borders on chemicals as well, but somehow you need to have an atmosphere that is not oxygen. Nitrogen is almost always the atmospheric gas of choice; I see no reason other gases couldn't be used, but I have only seen one other gas which has been researched in conjunction with LSD synthesis and it is a very dangerous one which does not even pertain to the syntheses discussed in this book. This nitrogen gas is very easily obtained from paintball gun supplies or just directly from chemical supply companies. I personally worked on designing a glovebox to carry everything out in, which would help with purity as well as allow you to leave your project and do away with streaming gas through and putting foil over each flask every time you used it. Really though this is far from necessary.


Chemicals and Precursors
There are a lot of options for chemicals in certain parts of LSD manufacturing, but there is no way around having to obtain some watched and/or illegal materials.

Solvents- The first set of chemicals


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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14097254 - 03/10/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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    #14097283 - 03/10/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Downloaded it, been looking forward to reviewing this one.

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14097387 - 03/10/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: Remix]
    #14097544 - 03/10/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: erikksonb]
    #14097834 - 03/10/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

On toke man!  :thaaannks: :awecid2:

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: Ogla] * 2
    #14097898 - 03/10/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14097982 - 03/10/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting stuff, good sir :thebaron:



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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: kush420]
    #14098031 - 03/10/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Will read it tonight :smile:


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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14098037 - 03/10/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Eagerly watching this space. It's inspiring to see someone developing a project like this. :thumbup:

(To clarify, I was referring to the writing of a book from the point of initial inspiration onwards, rather than the actual processes detailed in that literary work. Thank you.)


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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: Mr E Guest]
    #14098059 - 03/10/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

fuck yes to you dude, getting on that initiative

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: Jockin John C]
    #14098199 - 03/10/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is awesome, but I do have one major question. Do you think the average person with enough dedication can actually successfully do this or would it just be a waste of time if SWIM read the entire manual very carefully, multiple times, and followed through with it.

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14103660 - 03/11/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Its well written. I still have questions thou.  Can potassium hydroxide b replaced with sodium hydroxide?  And during hydrolysis u vacuum out the methanol and re saturate again with aqueous KOH. Does the KOH evaporate entirely or are residues from the pellets left behind? 

After boiling, in first method of hydrolysis listed, it says shake with dilute sulfuric acid in separatory funnel with ether and discard ether. What % do u dilute the sulfuric acid to and how much is needed? 

Also, at one part of the 2nd hydrolysis option, it says that "20% of (I) will be converted by the action of the hot water to inactive isolysergic acid". Is this correct, cause I thought refluxing converted inactive to active. 

Maybe these are dumb questions, just struggling to understand the entire process

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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: alexc]
    #14103678 - 03/11/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thanks guys! can't wait to hear what you think

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This is awesome, but I do have one major question. Do you think the average person with enough dedication can actually successfully do this or would it just be a waste of time if SWIM read the entire manual very carefully, multiple times, and followed through with it.



well realistically if you have no experience with these procedures and little to no understanding of the theory then you would probably make a huge mess of things. You need to read and understand other syntheses (even ones that aren't related to peptide coupling are good to read through), and just read through enough stuff that you start to really understand what is going on theoretically, so you understand what is going on and can avoid disaster and improvise in the face of any unforeseen problems. You also need to practice these processes, most of which you can actually do with a/b extractions and fuckin around with various plants (should be lots of example extractions and analytical instructions out there) for example if you do an a/b of mescaline don't stop at a simple tek, really understand what is going on and perform it with quality glasssware, then isolate only the mescaline alkaloids from the elf spice. You could work on isolating THC from hash or thc oil, do some 2c-x syntheses, try various MDMA synthesis routes, etc and from researching these things you will eventually be able to move on to LSD though it will still likely be a bit of a leap and you will have to work hard at it and be very careful and professional. If you have the skills already then you can probably learn how to do it in a few weeks to a few months, if you have limited skills but work hard at attaining and perfecting them you can do it within a few months to a little over a year and if you have no experience it will probably take two to three years. If you are lazy it will take longer.

Disclaimer:"you" does not point to anyone directly and is a generalization used ONLY for writing style purposes. This is not intended as actual advice, and no one should ever attempt this, this is for educational purposes only, to understand these processes but never to carry through with them. No one should even read this.


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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: Ogla]
    #14103865 - 03/11/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Its well written. I still have questions thou.  Can potassium hydroxide b replaced with sodium hydroxide?  And during hydrolysis u vacuum out the methanol and re saturate again with aqueous KOH. Does the KOH evaporate entirely or are residues from the pellets left behind? 

After boiling, in first method of hydrolysis listed, it says shake with dilute sulfuric acid in separatory funnel with ether and discard ether. What % do u dilute the sulfuric acid to and how much is needed? 

Also, at one part of the 2nd hydrolysis option, it says that "20% of (I) will be converted by the action of the hot water to inactive isolysergic acid". Is this correct, cause I thought refluxing converted inactive to active. 

Maybe these are dumb questions, just struggling to understand the entire process




thanks!

the basic way to think of separation chemistry is always shit in shit out. in your basic a/b extraction you just switch the ph of the alkaloids (because of their structure their ph can be changed, while other compounds can not, and this possibility is the basis for a fair amount of organic chemistry theories). so you flip the ph, say you fliip it over to an acidic state then you get rid of all the alkaline shit, then you would flip it to alkaline and throw away all the acidic shit. LSD is almost always "saved" as a tartaric salt (acidic state) so anything like KOH should be thrown out. If you do everything correctly then there shouldn't be any KOH left in the end. (and perhaps a true chemist would complain about my explanation, idk, but its the basic way I think of it). And to answer your question, there should only be significant KOH left if you did not use the appropriate amount though I guess its actually pretty flexible (1.5-2.5 molarity). In the psychedelic chemistry (yeah I'm a little bit of a fan lol) it lists potassium hydroxide as a "must have", but I have heard of people using NaOH. Most people say, however, that once they use KOH they strongly prefer it over NaOH and never look back (or only use it in appropriate places, IMO the hydrolysis is not one such place). BTW KOH is pretty easy to get though...

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and yes you can substitute out other basifying agents but you have to either find some direct information on switching them out for your specific synth or rework it (not hard if you know what you are doing and do a few minutes of research and re-checking). Usually you can just switch them out, but you may have to use a different amount to achieve the same ph, and some are not really suitable because they are not as clean. I would not use sodium hydroxide personally for the "more sensitive" parts like hydrolysis, but you can (to be fair I'm just one of those assholes that insists on trying to reach around 99% or as close as you can :tongue2:).

on the sulfuric acid dilution-that's a good question. I hesitate to guess, so I'm working on calculating the molarity, I'll get back to you later on that.

and it is correct, refluxing does not convert inactive to active.


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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14104267 - 03/11/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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and it is correct, refluxing does not convert inactive to active.



Sorry - no.

It is an equilibrium, the base reflux interconverts the two. Starting with a pure sample of either the active or the inactive isomer will produce the same proportioned mixture of both after equilibrium has been attained.

This is why the same KOH reflux is applied to the remaining inactive isomer after the active one has been crystallised out, to convert a good proportion of it back into the active isomer for eventual recycling. Some of you may notice that this process could be carried out ad infinitem, in ever-decreasing circles, until virtually all of the inactive material has been converted back into active.


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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: Ogla]
    #14104360 - 03/11/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ah ic, my bad I did not know that. important for anyone reading to know that I am not a professional chemist, just a researcher (who's not even close to finished with his research), and I'm not infallible,so thanks for that information I had never heard that before.

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Also, at one part of the 2nd hydrolysis option, it says that "20% of (I) will be converted by the action of the hot water to inactive isolysergic acid"





if you look at what it says though it is because the heat of the water


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Re: How to Make LSD "TEK" Version 2 [Re: Mr E Guest]
    #14107607 - 03/12/11 05:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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and it is correct, refluxing does not convert inactive to active.



Sorry - no.

It is an equilibrium, the base reflux interconverts the two. Starting with a pure sample of either the active or the inactive isomer will produce the same proportioned mixture of both after equilibrium has been attained.

This is why the same KOH reflux is applied to the remaining inactive isomer after the active one has been crystallised out, to convert a good proportion of it back into the active isomer for eventual recycling. Some of you may notice that this process could be carried out ad infinitem, in ever-decreasing circles, until virtually all of the inactive material has been converted back into active.





I've been trying to look into the relationship of refluxing and isomers, but I can't really find what I'm looking for. the chemical equilibrium of isomers is because of different boiling points right? but aren't lysergic acid isomers chiral? since enantiomers have the same boiling point wouldn't there be no interconversion of the isomers? Or is there enantiomeric interconversion and how does it take place from refluxing? I'm just trying to understand. Isomers are fascinating, but I'm afraid my knowledge is limited on them, and I don't quite understand their relationship to refluxing and distillation yet.

Any links or citations would be great to, or just an explanation if you wouldn't mind :grin:


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