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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: sheldogg5]
    #14098276 - 03/10/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ahhh yes let's take money from the people have no money and give it to people with more money than they know what to do with.... genius!!

It's time to riot like an Egyptian






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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: biff]
    #14098524 - 03/10/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I was there in that footage at the capital there and at both rallies. I just went down there to get some pictures not really caring. I walked away fucking shocked and feeling helpless. It boggles my fucking mind what these people are doing and getting away with. I'd say vote but it's not gonna matter anymore soon because they can just kick out elected officials.






this is not at all true... people need to stop watching the news and start
paying attention to politics, the press gets everyone wound up over
fabrications, MSNBC just ran a story claiming there was a bill introduced
here in Ga that would make it a crime of murder to have a miscarriage, that
women could face the death penalty for it... complete bullshit just like all
this crap... READ THE BILLS

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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: biff]
    #14098553 - 03/10/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I never understood defending tax breaks for giant corporations. So if you give out tax breaks they are going to hire more people, give raises and invest in new business? That didn't work with Reagan or either Bush. All that happens is investors make more money and CEO's get nice bonuses.





currently the US taxes corporations far more than any other nation, it's part
of the reason shell corps and multinationals have become what they are, we
tax corps at 35%, china only taxes them at 25% and much of the world is half
that, can you guess why we have problems with unemployment, because it's
cheaper for Microsoft to move to Dubai than it is for them to remain in the US

so here you propose raising taxes on those already heavily taxed, what's
going to happen then, think they'll all move back to the US out of patriotism?


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14098681 - 03/10/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I never understood defending tax breaks for giant corporations. So if you give out tax breaks they are going to hire more people, give raises and invest in new business? That didn't work with Reagan or either Bush. All that happens is investors make more money and CEO's get nice bonuses.





currently the US taxes corporations far more than any other nation, it's part
of the reason shell corps and multinationals have become what they are, we
tax corps at 35%, china only taxes them at 25% and much of the world is half
that, can you guess why we have problems with unemployment, because it's
cheaper for Microsoft to move to Dubai than it is for them to remain in the US

so here you propose raising taxes on those already heavily taxed, what's
going to happen then, think they'll all move back to the US out of patriotism?




Yea, exactly.

I'm a libertarian.

I'm also a Michigander.

I also kind of think that the media and the "current events" of the world kind of control the ideals of the masses.  (Current events which may or may not actually be orchestrated by the CIA). 

A crises happens (orchestrated or not), everyone wants the government to do something about it, they gain more power  because we deem it necessary.  Politics is kind of just a big distraction, the rich still get richer, and the poor still get poorer no matter who is in office.

The rich are smart, and the elite know a lot of things the rest of us don't.  They can coordinate the markets.  I feel like America is being looted of all its so called "wealth."

Businesses use the media and the government uses the media and in the end both are just going to end up with more of you $.

The price of admission into America is your taxes which get to be used to fund wars so that we can get more money.  But its ok, they are keeping you "safe."  Everyone feels comfortable here because they are spoon fed mcdonalds and cable TV so there is no need to question.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: memes]
    #14098701 - 03/10/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In Michigan particularly we have been suffering from high unemployment for the past decade. I can only imagine what's going to happen if these bills pass and if Snyder keeps this shit up.




Hrm.  High unemployment 'eh?  Kinda like businesses don't want to operate there?

I wonder why that guy's giving $1,800,000,000 to businesses in the form of tax breaks?  Mayhaps to incentivize businesses to set up there, and - perhaps - provide some jobs?

lolololol.  clueless





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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14098717 - 03/10/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

^ glad to see some people undersatnd whats going on :thumbup:


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: memes]
    #14099445 - 03/10/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

why dont they impeach his ass? wtf? like i know the media is liberal as fuck so they probably exaggerated a tiny bit but wtf? Why dont they fucking kill the guy??!


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14099517 - 03/10/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

This shit is getting out of control really fast.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14099625 - 03/10/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Unemployment isn't being caused by taxes. It's being caused by mechanization, and it's a global issue.

Even if those corporations move to the US, they're going to use the cheapest labor (machine labor) to operate. They're not going to pass on technology that's faster, more efficient, and less expensive just because we're in an unemployment crisis. Within a decade, the Watson technology will probably start mechanizing things like technical support, and who knows what other advances will come to replace human labor.

The idea of selling labor for income was needed for a long time, but even at the current state of technology, it's starting to lose its relevance. Unemployment's going to keep going up because not enough people have the education to maintain the machines that are taking their jobs, and they won't have the money to get that education.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14099653 - 03/10/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The education system is tragically out of date is what this comes down to. We're educating people for a job market that doesn't exist anymore.

What I think we need to do is make computer science a major focus from day one. Kindergarten onward. That's where the money is. We could take over the world again if we got on top of this and produced a generation not of magical-thinking tech consumers but of well-informed tech savants.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14099657 - 03/10/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

that is honestly a good idea


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: memes]
    #14099680 - 03/10/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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biff said:
In Michigan particularly we have been suffering from high unemployment for the past decade. I can only imagine what's going to happen if these bills pass and if Snyder keeps this shit up.




Hrm.  High unemployment 'eh?  Kinda like businesses don't want to operate there?

I wonder why that guy's giving $1,800,000,000 to businesses in the form of tax breaks?  Mayhaps to incentivize businesses to set up there, and - perhaps - provide some jobs?

lolololol.  clueless



When are you going to realize that these bills being passed have nothing to do with jobs or budget deficits? Look at WI, they took all the fiscal stuff out and passed the union busting parts. If this was about the budget, why did they not give a shit about the budget part of the bill? The Republicans even stated that it was to get back at Obama by destroying his support.

It truly boggles my mind that some people on here will agree that the govt is corrupt but think that corporations are saintly.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14099685 - 03/10/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's true. The first two years of college need to be tacked on to high school and required for all because the only industry left that you just need a high school diploma for is the service industry, and even they prefer technical school graduates. Also, their industry is going to be phased out in the near future, too.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14099712 - 03/10/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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why dont they impeach his ass?





this does not mean what you think it means, it's just part of a
process, clinton was impeached and remained in office


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14099720 - 03/10/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Synesthetic said:
Unemployment isn't being caused by taxes. It's being caused by mechanization, and it's a global issue.





it's not just mechanization, but it is a global issue, the USs #1 export for the last 15 years has been jobs


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14099752 - 03/10/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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why dont they impeach his ass?





this does not mean what you think it means, it's just part of a
process, clinton was impeached and remained in office





but there must be some clause stating if the people call to vote and an overwhelming majority wants him out he can be kicked out?!


This is what we have the second amendment for! "to, if nothing else, defend onesself against a tyrannous government


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14099784 - 03/10/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We just absorbed a lot of nations' unemployment because we could for awhile. Saying we should give corporate tax breaks so they'll open up shop here is pretty selfish and stupid, because if they do magically move back and hire a bunch of people, that means you took someone else's job.

It's reverse outsourcing, and honestly it's just as detestable when you're thinking about global problems.

Plus, tax breaks won't solve the issue that people who live in the US need to be paid a lot more than people in third world countries just to survive.

And even though unemployment has many varied causes, mechanization is the only one that will slowly but surely lead to the end of labor for income as we know it.

I just hope we have the good sense to start changing our society before people are starving in the streets.

But considering all the tent cities opening up around the country...we're a bit late for that.

Also, since the economy's been in the shitter for two years, the unemployment numbers the government's feeding us is wrong. They count unemployment as the number of people applying for new jobless benefits, even though after two years those benefits expire and the person still has no job.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14099803 - 03/10/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
why dont they impeach his ass?





this does not mean what you think it means, it's just part of a
process, clinton was impeached and remained in office





but there must be some clause stating if the people call to vote and an overwhelming majority wants him out he can be kicked out?!


This is what we have the second amendment for! "to, if nothing else, defend onesself against a tyrannous government




I know in California this is how they got rid of Grey Davis and brought in the Governator. A popular referendum called for a "re-election" where Davis had to run against whoever the fuck else felt like running (actors, porn moguls, porn stars, etc.).

I don't know if Michigan has that option available to its citizens, though. California's weird in a lot of ways.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14099847 - 03/10/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

corporate tax breaks work on the state level by making that state more appealing to businesses
therefore more jobs move to that state.

its completely different on the federal level. trickle down economics is bullshit if yo ask me
but states can defiantly create jobs by lowering corporate taxes.


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Re: Michigan is screwed? The United states is screwed? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #14099865 - 03/10/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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corporate tax breaks work on the state level by making that state more appealing to businesses
therefore more jobs move to that state.

its completely different on the federal level. trickle down economics is bullshit if yo ask me
but states can defiantly create jobs by lowering corporate taxes.




If a job moves to that state, it has to move from another state. It only affects new businesses opening up, and the VAST majority of new businesses are very small operations.


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