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masterosok
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san pedro prep without peeling...
#14072114 - 03/05/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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any effective methods available. If not, what is the easy way to peel?
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Sir Cypher
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... [Re: masterosok]
#14072509 - 03/05/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Try this question in the psychedelic experience forum man. Here we focus on cultivation of plants not consumption.
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: masterosok]
#14072539 - 03/05/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.
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Try this question in the psychedelic experience forum man. Here we focus on cultivation of plants not consumption.
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joemolloy
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: karode13]
#14072662 - 03/05/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nobody peels.
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masterosok
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: joemolloy]
#14072788 - 03/05/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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can you elaborate more on that? Every method I have read on here says to peel it first so I am not sure what you are talking about.
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: masterosok]
#14072830 - 03/05/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i never peel them
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joemolloy
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: awakendone]
#14072913 - 03/05/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some of these teks are outdated and have silly rituals like peeling or despining. I can't think of any reason to peel other than to test your patience and sanity. I've heard that peeling relieves nausea but I never have any discomfort to begin with. Brew it and drink it.
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: joemolloy]
#14074595 - 03/06/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I tried peeling once, but pretty quickly realized it was wayyyyy too much effort.
Brew it like joemolly said or do an extraction Only thing that is a pain if you follow this method is filling those tiny gel caps.
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: Ambient Forest]
#14075138 - 03/06/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, I guess i'm one of the crazy ones because i've always despined and peeled.. Oddly enough I don't find that taking the core out with smaller cuttings matters at all. I haven't worked with any cuttings that were so developed the core was more of a woody material, so maybe when it gets to that point you wouldn't want it in there.
However, as far as the waxy skin layer goes I've always figured I should remove that stuff because it's going to end up in the final product in some form or another. It just seems like I don't want to be eating waxy parafinesque stuff if I can help it.
It is quite a pain in the ass to peel, and every time I peel the juice from the cactus gets under my finger nail tips and has a sort of numbing/dull pain effect that lasts for sometimes a couple days where it soaked in. The nerves in my finger tips get a good buzz on before I even get to try the brew!
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: floatingwater]
#14079413 - 03/07/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pfft.
The cactus takes so many years to grow, I generally find that it's worth putting in the extra time to make a really descent brew.
- Cut into sections, always spare the crown for propogation of the strain
- I despine using a chopped section of TV aerial with a section of wire pushed through the middle (so you can push the spine back out of the aerial)
- Grow fingernails. Use them to peel off the wax. The easiest way to do this is slowly and gently, and try to get them all in big strips. It may help to slice down the center of the ribs so you can get them off in sections. I always enjoy doing this part with friends, trying to see who can get the biggest bit
- Fillet deep deep away from the core. To be honest, I have found that including the core means more brewing time and more water (=more liquid you have to drink)
- Chop finely
- Chuck it in a freezer bag and freeze it entirely. Then take it out and defrost it, then bung it back in the freezer and freeze it entirely. The ice crystals burst the plant cell walls and reduce the brew time hugely. (Having core and wax skin in this mix is a bit redundant)
And the rest of my technique is a secret until I write up a brew tekk Hope this helps though...
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: PixieDust]
#14079686 - 03/07/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Forgive my possible ignorance but I was under the impression that there may be reasons for a higher concentration of Mescaline in the skin than the rest of the plant matter, as I presume its presence is as a form of protection against being consumed by insects and other pests, it would then seem to logically follow that it would be in higher concentrations on the skin, as evolution would select for it to be there so as to avoid significant damage. Significant damage could not be avoided if it were in higher concentrations deeper in the flesh as there would be no reason for the pest to cease consumption prior to encountering the region of higher concentration. I would assume evolution would render mescaline presence in the woody core redundant and could possibly even be in negligible concentration in some of the inner flesh. I have made brew with peeling and despining and without, I noted significant (although I do like to be over analytic so my considerable may be your slight) increase in potency when the skin was permitted to enter the brewing pot as opposed to when it was not. Removing the woody centre seemed to have negligible effects both in terms of potency and taste. I do think that perhaps within the skin there is contained other constituents which may promote nausea but I find it personally very slight and it is not a problem. I'd be interested to hear other thoughts o the matter.
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joemolloy
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: wal0013]
#14079737 - 03/07/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Peeling the skin probably results in some mescaline being wasted because the mescaline is supposedly concentrated right below it. As you peel the skin, you probably peel off some of the alkaloids, especially if you are a little sloppy.
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: joemolloy]
#14079770 - 03/07/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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All the more reason to leave it there, makes it a whole lot easier to prepare. Ona side not a friend of mine who is an Anthropologist has informed me that when a native was preparing for him some mescaline brew in South America the skin and spines were not removed, I shall ask him if this was common practice but I presume it to be so. In other words leaving it there provides a more Authentic preparation for those purists out there.
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Re: san pedro prep without peeling... (moved) [Re: wal0013]
#14096946 - 03/10/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I actually enjoy de-spining somewhat, can be fun with a few mates if your getting a big batch ready. Maybe have a few billys & laugh at each other race to de-spine a rib while trying to not inflict some sort of unfortunate acupuncture upon yourself  
There is a bit of good cactus lost from around the spines & it does take a little longer, but sometimes I do it anyway. I've not noticed any significant difference in potency by keeping spines in or cutting them out.
As for skin, I think it would be best to try and keep as much plant matter from around the surface of the cactus as possible. I'm hopeless at skinning, can never seem to get any decent sized strips
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