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Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire)
#14096938 - 03/10/11 10:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is a new book who just got out recently, it pretty much resume most of my current political thinking.
here is the description with a few personal corrections and a quote
Composed of clear and incisive texts recounting the battle of ideas that is history, not forgetting to place these ideas in history that has seen them rise, Understanding the Empire could just as easily been titled Sociology of domination or Sociology of lying, both since Empires and domination through lies are linked. not really academic in its form, but the fruit of fifty years of experience combining readings and commitments, this essay traces the historical path of the oligarchic dominance started more than two centuries in the West: exploitation of the Hellenic-Christian humanism, the infiltration of Republic by networks, exacerbating class antagonisms and manipulating democracy of conscience. A long process initiated in the eighteenth century by the banking cartel that is nearing its conclusion with the New World Order. An attempt to impose by stealth that puts a dictatorial power, by 2012, the Western world faces a choice that hires a whole: the dictatorship of the Empire or the beginning of the uprising of the people, governance global or rebellion Nations.
Here is a translated quote from the book at page 41 [...Societies that are still around for millennia, including those Pierre Clastres praised through his observations of Native American Indians, <these beautiful losers> still living on this principle there since a century and a half. Societies including Jean-Claude Michea noted that they are the only sustainable one, when a so-called liberal society founded on the opposite principle, the loan interest of the selfish individual - exist, it eventually survives for at best, two centuries and generates, logically, more violence and instability than any other social organization before it...]
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: communeart]
#14097111 - 03/10/11 10:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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What a shocker!
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: Icelander]
#14097213 - 03/10/11 11:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Top 100 on amazon
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: communeart]
#14097227 - 03/10/11 11:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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If nature is all about survival of the fittest and if in reality our impressive brain is not nearly as all knowing as we think and rather at core we are ruled much more by emotion than logic, then that tactic would make perfect sense. Everybody on some level wants to be on top.
The early americans lusted after technology when it was shown to them.
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: communeart]
#14097263 - 03/10/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Top 100 on amazon
Ummm..... no. Not even in the top 100 French books at Amazon Canada let alone all books at Amazon.com.
What theory put forth in this masterpiece did you want to discuss here in the Political Discussion forum? Let's get the discussion rolling, or see the thread locked.
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: Phred]
#14097344 - 03/10/11 11:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lock it Phred, I'm in awe when you finally do something
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: Icelander]
#14099400 - 03/10/11 05:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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If nature is all about survival of the fittest and if in reality our impressive brain is not nearly as all knowing as we think and rather at core we are ruled much more by emotion than logic, then that tactic would make perfect sense. Everybody on some level wants to be on top.
The early americans lusted after technology when it was shown to them.
It's not about technology it's about traditionalism and religion, morality and whatnot. the founding fathers inspired themselves of certain native american tribe when it comes to certain ideas behind the american revolution. the morality of lending money with interest. the book has many reference to religion and is centered on the new world order and this empire which is the american empire. I think the introduction very well states that it is a book that wish to analyze how the empire dominates.
In fact, a nation is called an empire when it is dominating through lies or it would called a nation-state.
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Ummm..... no. Not even in the top 100 French books at Amazon Canada let alone all books at Amazon.com.
What theory put forth in this masterpiece did you want to discuss here in the Political Discussion forum? Let's get the discussion rolling, or see the thread locked.
Phred
it was in the top 100 amazon books from france, the man is from france.
i haven't read all of the book so far and i will plunge myself into it right away.
it starts like this.
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The French Republic is as invincible as reason, it is as immortal as the truth. When freedom gains victory in France, no human power can expel it. Maximilien Francois Robespierre
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Wherever the bourgeoisie came to dominate, it has destroyed all feudal conditions, patriarchal, idyllic. Ruthless, she tore the multicolored ties of feudalism that bound man to his higher nature, leaving remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked interest, the inexorable "cash payment ". Chills sacred and pious fervor, chivalrous enthusiasm, melancholy Boeotian, she drowned all in the icy water of egotistical calculation.
The first few ideas brought forward is that once christianity becomes simple discussions around the table as opposed to revolutionary and leading ideas of our time it inevitably collapse and rot from the inside. if you want to destroy christianity the first step would be to separate the state from the church, this would at least put in doubt religion or like i said, turn them from leading ideas of the time to books full of dust. He also puts forward the ideas that catholicism was the religion of the poor, especially since jesus christ comes from the poor as opposed to atheism, reason whose idea are generally accepted and originates from people of Bourgeois class background ( Or even communism for that matter) . It also defends catholicism as the ancestor of human right, the general values were to :Learn to do good. Seek justice. Help the oppressed. Defend the cause of orphans. Fight for the rights of widows Isaiah 1:17 . it also argued in favor of the concept of a just war, or sparing the innocents.
his view of the revolution is that robespierre killed the king, the banks killed robespierre.
I will tell you more once i read more of it.
In my opinion, what follows is the type of society talked about above , where money is lent with interests. Alain Soral puts alot of importance on the federal reserve and a similar loi giscard in france.
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: communeart]
#14119971 - 03/14/11 03:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I should open a thread i think. Alain Soral is a very intelligent guy. He's also racist and misogyne.
Maybe you're not aware what is happening here.
Jean Marie Le Pen used to be the leader of the extremist-racist movement. He retired, letting is daughter, Marine, take the commands of the boat.
From a recent survey, she would win the next presidential elections.
Alain Soral and Marine Le Pen used to be good friends, but they fought, i can't remember why. Ego war, probably. He must regret. I think they will be friends again in the very next future. And I think the political way here in france is darker and darker.
I'm just wondering why most of french speakers from canada are nazis.
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: dafeen]
#14120225 - 03/14/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I should open a thread i think. Alain Soral is a very intelligent guy. He's also racist and misogyne.
Maybe you're not aware what is happening here.
Jean Marie Le Pen used to be the leader of the extremist-racist movement. He retired, letting is daughter, Marine, take the commands of the boat.
From a recent survey, she would win the next presidential elections.
Alain Soral and Marine Le Pen used to be good friends, but they fought, i can't remember why. Ego war, probably. He must regret. I think they will be friends again in the very next future. And I think the political way here in france is darker and darker.
I'm just wondering why most of french speakers from canada are nazis.
eh, because i torture myself all the fucking time with politics.
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Re: Comprendre l'Empire by Alain Soral ( Understanding the Empire) [Re: communeart]
#14124266 - 03/15/11 09:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok to be honest The real problem is that Alain Soral is a type of person like Karl Marx or Lenin,Trotsky,Stalin he will constantly make polemical statements that he truly believes and that we all more or less agree with in reality. truth is the feminist are deforming his statements in france. because that's how france work and people outside don't know. They are wicked bitches that's it. all you see is woman bitching about how they have the right to work , and Alain Soral responding what the fuck does that have to do with what i'm saying.
my interpretation of his point is that civilization civilized thus pacified thus rendered nice animals and so are woman just like men and everyone else. Communism,National-socialism, both of these ideologies were centered on creating a new man and had an ancient language of philosophical concept about race ,values, centered pretty much on christianity and all this language is taboo because it was essentially the view of a christian measuring black people's dick in africa and coming to the conclusion they have a tendency to rape . We must now rediscover to some extent sociology and anthropology, this is the real problem.
So when it comes to being misogynist he is simply saying that feminist are no longer useful as they used to be and the feminist discourse, just like the racist discourse, was more of a punk's not dead manifestation. those people are trying to still exist, and they are plain assholes.
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