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InvisibleXlea321
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Six days of shame
    #1409656 - 03/25/03 07:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

TODAY is a day of shame for the British military as it declares the Iraqi city of Basra, with a stricken population of 600,000, a "military target".

You will not read or hear those words in the establishment media that claims to speak for Britain.

But they are true. With Basra, shame is now our signature, forged by Blair and Bush.

Having destroyed its water and power supplies, cut off food supply routes and having failed to crack its human defences, they are now preparing to lay siege to Iraq's second city which is more than 40 per cent children.

What an ignominious moment in British history. Here is an impoverished country under attack by a superpower, the United States, which has unimaginable wealth and the world's most destructive weapons, and its "coalition" accomplice, Britain, which boasts one of the world's best "professional" armies.

Believing their own propaganda, the military brass has been stunned by the Iraqi resistance.

They have tried to belittle the militia defending Basra with lurid stories that its fighters are killing each other.

The truth is that the Iraqis are fighting like lions to defend not a tyrant but their homeland. It is a truth the overwhelming majority of decent Britons will admire.

The historical comparison Tony Blair and his propagandists fear is that of the British defending themselves against invasion. That happened 60 years ago and now "we" are the rapacious invaders.

Yesterday, Blair said that 400,000 Iraqi children had died in the past five years from malnutrition and related causes. He said "huge stockpiles of humanitarian aid" and clean water awaited them in Kuwait, if only the Iraqi regime would allow safe passage.

In fact, voluminous evidence, including that published by the United Nations Children's Fund, makes clear that the main reason these children have died is an enduring siege, a 12-year embargo driven by America and Britain.

As of last July, $5.4billion worth of humanitarian supplies, approved by the UN and paid for by the Iraqi government, were blocked by Washington, with the Blair government's approval. The former assistant secretary general of the UN, Denis Halliday, who was sent to Iraq to set up the "oil for food programme", described the effects of the embargo as "nothing less than genocide". Similar words have been used by his successor, Hans Von Sponeck.

Both men resigned in protest, saying the embargo merely reinforced the power of Saddam.

Both called Blair a liar.

And now Blair's troops are firing their wire-guided missiles to "soften up" Basra.

I have walked the city's streets, along a road blown to pieces by a US missile. The casualties were children, of course, because children are everywhere. I held a handkerchief over my face as I stood in a school playground with a teacher and several hundred malnourished youngsters.

The dust blew in from the southern battlefields of the 1991 Gulf War, which have never been cleaned up because the US and British governments have denied Iraq the specialist equipment.

The dust, Dr Jawad Al-Ali told me, carries "the seeds of our death". In the children's wards of Basra's main hospital, deaths from a range of hitherto unseen cancers are common and specialists have little doubt that up to half the population of southern Iraq will die from cancers linked to the use of a weapon of mass destruction used by the Americans and British - uranium tipped shells and missiles.


ONCE again, the Americans are deploying what Professor Doug Rokke, a former US Army physicist, calls "a form of nuclear weapon that contaminates everything and everyone".

Today, each round fired by US tanks contains 4,500 grams of solid uranium, whose particles, breathed or ingested, can cause cancer.

This, and the use by both the Allies of new kinds of cluster bombs, is being covered up.

Once again, the British public is being denied the reality of war.

Images of bandaged children in hospital wards are appearing on TV but you do not see the result of a Tornado's cluster bombing.

You are not being shown children scalped by shrapnel, with legs reduced to bloody pieces of string.

Such images are "not acceptable", because they will disturb viewers - and the authorities do not want that. These "unseen" images are the truth. Iraqi parents have to look at their mutilated children, so why shouldn't those of us, in whose name they were slaughtered, see what they see?

Why shouldn't we share their pain? Why shouldn't we see the true nature of this criminal invasion?

Other wars were sanitised, allowing them to be repeated.

If you have satellite TV, try to find the Al Jazeera channel, which has distinguished itself with its coverage. When the Americans bombed Afghanistan, one of their "smart" bombs destroyed the Al Jazeera office in Kabul. Few believe it was an accident. Rather, it was a testimony to the channel's independent journalism.

Remember, it is not those who oppose this war who need to justify themselves, regardless of Blair's calls to "support our troops". There is only one way to support them - bring them home without delay.

In 1932, Iraqis threw out their British colonial rulers. In 1958, they got rid of the Hashemite monarchy.

Iraqis have shown they can overthrow dictators against the odds. So why have they not been able to throw out Saddam?

Because the US and Britain armed him and propped him up while it suited them, making sure that when they tired of him, they would be the only alternative to his rule and the profiteers of his nation's resources. Imperialism has always functioned like that.

The "new Iraq", as Blair calls it, will have many models, such as Haiti, the Dominican Republic and Nicaragua, all of them American conquests and American ruled until Washington allowed a vicious dictatorship to take over.

Saddam only came to power after the Americans helped install his Ba'ath Party in 1979. "That was my favourite coup," said the CIA officer in charge.

Keep in mind the cynicism behind these truths when you next hear Blair's impassioned insincerity - and when you glimpse, if you can, the "unacceptable" images of children killed and mangled in your name, and in the cause of what the Prime Minister calls "our simple patriotism".

It's the kind of patriotism, wrote Tolstoy, "that is nothing else but a means of obtaining for the rulers their ambitions and covetous desires, and for the ruled the abdication of human dignity, reason and conscience."

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Re: Six days of shame [Re: Xlea321]
    #1409827 - 03/25/03 09:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i like that tolstoy quote. anyway, on tv yesterday i saw blair say that Saddam and his regime had caused the death of over half a million children in the past 12 years. i couldn't believe it. now they're trying to dangle food in front the people of basra as if to say, "are you hungry? you can have it if you stop fighting." i think that report of a "civil uprising" serves both a propaganda and military purpose. now they'll have an excuse for all the dead civilians.

"We were forced to engage targets in the city, slaughtering countless civilians in the process, in an attempt to stop Saddam's evil regime from "killing their own people"(the pentagon loves propaganda lines like this)"

who believes this crap?


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: Xlea321]
    #1410163 - 03/26/03 02:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

patriotism is a gov'ts best friend when it comes to swaying the masses to fight. now, iraq will have fierce patriotism on their side; they are fighting for their country. can we blame them? how many of you at home would surrender if a country tried to take over and promise a better life? there is no war more justified in the eyes of those who fight, then defending your country from invasion. when blind patriotism has worn off maybe america will realize what the rest of the world sees, or maybe we'll start up another war, like we always have.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: Xlea321]
    #1410317 - 03/26/03 05:19 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

In the children's wards of Basra's main hospital, deaths from a range of hitherto unseen cancers are common and specialists have little doubt that up to half the population of southern Iraq will die from cancers linked to the use of a weapon of mass destruction used by the Americans and British - uranium tipped shells and missiles.



this is BS, the danger of depleted uranium shells has been greatly exagerated. i won't go into why, because you can find that out for yourself, but if depleted uranium causes cancer, why is it used in the armor of the M1A2's?


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: flow]
    #1410972 - 03/26/03 09:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

this is BS, the danger of depleted uranium shells has been greatly exagerated

Easy to say when it's not your kid being born with some uranium caused cancer.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: rhizo]
    #1411108 - 03/26/03 10:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

i saw blair say that Saddam and his regime had caused the death of over half a million children in the past 12 years




I thought that was the UN sanctions...


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: grib]
    #1411180 - 03/26/03 11:14 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

i saw blair say that Saddam and his regime had caused the death of over half a million children in the past 12 years




I thought that was the UN sanctions...



Yes, and Saddam is the direct cause of the sactions.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1411333 - 03/26/03 12:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, and Saddam is the direct cause of the sactions.

So getting back at one man is worth the lives of half a million children? C'mon, don't bullshit me.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: chodamunky]
    #1411340 - 03/26/03 12:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Saddam is mismanaging the funds he recieves from the oil he is allowed to export.. He is using the money to build palaces and support his military. If we lift sanctions he will be able to fund more of a military than he has now and may become more of a threat to his region as well as the rest of the world.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: chodamunky]
    #1411348 - 03/26/03 12:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

So getting back at one man is worth the lives of half a million children?



No, but obviously it is his fault, not ours, so why blame us?


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: z@z.com]
    #1411357 - 03/26/03 12:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If we lift sanctions he will be able to fund more of a military than he has now and may become more of a threat to his region as well as the rest of the world.

Oh okay, so the UN sanctions which directly led to the half million dead children was a "pre-emptive" action in order to make sure he didn't do it himself right? Don't be ridiculous.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: chodamunky]
    #1411362 - 03/26/03 12:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Remember him invading a neighboring country? It was a response to that.
Plus he has enough money to feed his people. He just doesn't care enough to do it.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: z@z.com]
    #1411475 - 03/26/03 01:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Don't be rediculous, one man can't invade a whole country!


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: chodamunky]
    #1411784 - 03/26/03 04:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

So getting back at one man is worth the lives of half a million children? C'mon, don't bullshit me.


So it appears you also have trouble reading. Show me where I said that.

Do you have as much trouble with the spoken word?


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1411929 - 03/26/03 04:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, if you followed your own post, and then how i responded to your post, you would see how I came to my conclusion. I'll prove it to you, this was your post in reply to another:

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Somebody said: i saw blair say that Saddam and his regime had caused the death of over half a million children in the past 12 years

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Then somebody said: I thought that was the UN sanctions...

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Then you said: Yes, and Saddam is the direct cause of the sactions.

End Post.

Then I replied to you: So getting back at one man is worth the lives of half a million children? C'mon, don't bullshit me. Implying that the sanctions were placed on Saddam for doing wrong, which they were, and because of those sanctions, half a million children died. I don't appreciate your cheap shot disses at my ability to post a reply on this board, so I will politely ask you to lick my choda.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: chodamunky]
    #1411952 - 03/26/03 05:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

History has shown that sanctions usually do very little towards dislodging a dictator (anyone ever heard of Castro?). One thing they can do, if played right (from the dictators point of view) is to provide a scapegoat for which all the countries problems can be blamed. By increasing scarcity, those who are loyal to the dictator get first dibs on goods that are available, and those that are opposed are more likely to do without. In short, sanctions have not hurt Saddam Hussein, only the innocent people who are not in his favor.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: Xlea321]
    #1411978 - 03/26/03 05:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That was a surprisingly good read. I've posted it on another forum. Thanks for that.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: chodamunky]
    #1412833 - 03/26/03 11:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I implied nothing of the sort.

I did say, outright, and I repeat here for you now....


So it appears you also have trouble reading. Show me where I said that.

Do you have as much trouble with the spoken word?




For you to take this....
Yes, and Saddam is the direct cause of the sactions.

And come up with this....
So getting back at one man is worth the lives of half a million children? C'mon, don't bullshit me.

Shows either a complete lack of the understanding of the english language, or a willingness to deliberately distort what was said.

If it's the second, it would imply a lack of honesty. I hope that's not the case and instead you're just someone who failed reeediing, wrytin, and komprehenshun.

Either way, it's pretty fucking sad.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1413211 - 03/27/03 05:46 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Get a grip luv. It sounds like you're foaming at the mouth.

You said in your other thread "Don't get annoyed, it's only a messageboard". Take your own advice.


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Re: Six days of shame [Re: Xlea321]
    #1413387 - 03/27/03 07:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Wrong again Alpo. I should be used to you being wrong by now but I guess I'll never stop being surprised at how often you make a fool of yourself.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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