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Do you trust it?
#14096415 - 03/10/11 05:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread is devoted to one of the biggest questions that can be asked:
DO YOU TRUST IT?
You may not trust yourself around a big pile of cocaine. You may not trust the intrinsic good of people, when SS stormtroopers have herded you and your family on a cattle cart to Poland. If you are among the five hundred million poorest people in the world, or the five hundred million sickest people in the world, you may not trust the notion that you will live through this year.
You may not trust that inner urge when you're holding that tenstrip of LSD that tells you: "come on, take them all, I have great things to show you".
But do you trust it? The big picture?

Do you trust this universe, and your own life as a mortal in it? Do you trust that one thing that ties you together with the planets and stars, all living things and all Eternity? Do you trust that when you die, in whatever way, its going to be OK - even if you do not yet know what that may be?
I'm not asking about small scraps, or the nature of individuals or humanity at large.
The Universe and your place in it.. Do you trust it?
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Asante] 1
#14096416 - 03/10/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i trust it completely
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Asante]
#14096417 - 03/10/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are many ITs, but i voted yes.
so far nothing terrible has happened to me, and i've seen that really terrible things could happen... so... yeah ITs pretty cool.
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: tk3]
#14096422 - 03/10/11 05:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I myself, I trust it, and I'm striving to trust it completely.
Or to rephrase that - I believe I trust it completely but it hasnt sunken in yet, and I really want this notion to sink in.
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Asante]
#14096432 - 03/10/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think i trust it , but i am not sure of it yet.
i need to experience more of what the universe and life has to offer before i can decide whether i trust it fuly or not, but i try to.
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After my first breakthrough on DMT, while on mushrooms just a few hours ago, I can say I do without a doubt. I pretty much got to the point where it was like "Sorry, as long as you're a human, you'll only get this far.", but the veil was so damn thin. I knew there was other shit going on, there was no way I could construct this shit
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nice. Surprised so many of us trust it or at least think we do. Awesome poll!
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Ambrella]
#14096454 - 03/10/11 05:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Honestly I think I also consciously adopt the attitude that everything is the way it is because it should be. Or because everything should be the way it is because it is that way.... if that makes sense, hahaha. Still processing this DMT trip. Surprising lucid and utterly weird.
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I think it'd be very naiive to place ones entire trust into something so vast and complex as the nature of the universe.
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Asante]
#14096510 - 03/10/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I trust that when I'm dead I'm dead, that the only connection we have to the universe is that we occupy a tiny portion of it
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I dont know why people worry about death so much.. it's either gonna be a void of nothingness(so why worry at all, you wont know about it. though I highly doubt this theory.. seems way too simplistic given the psychedelic experience, the near-death experience, and the complexity of the universe) or something else. 'whatever else' is probably a lot better than our situation here on earth
Now granted i'd be singing a different tune if somebody told me i'd die tomorrow... but in the meanwhile im not gonna worry about it. Like, at all. there's no point
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Abuse]
#14096524 - 03/10/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Abuse said: I think it'd be very naiive to place ones entire trust into something so vast and complex as the nature of the universe.
I cant possibly understand why it would be naive. Put trust into the very thing you are a product of, and without which you wouldnt exist? You realize having trust for or against anything is just bound by all laws and concepts of the universe anyways, so putting trust into it or not you are forever a mercy of the system.
I'm mean sure you can fight and say fuck it and argue, but why? Enjoy the ride man. Nothing Naive about it. As if anything in the universe could even possibly happen unless it were meant to...
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Abuse said: I think it'd be very naiive to place ones entire trust into something so vast and complex as the nature of the universe.
I cant possibly understand why it would be naive. Put trust into the very thing you are a product of, and without which you wouldnt exist? You realize having trust for or against anything is just bound by all laws and concepts of the universe anyways, so putting trust into it or not you are forever a mercy of the system.
I'm mean sure you can fight and say fuck it and argue, but why? Enjoy the ride man. Nothing Naive about it. As if anything in the universe could even possibly happen unless it were meant to...
How can you be so sure of something you know little about? I believe the universe is random and holds no order (thus opposing the idea of a deity) and so cannot completely trust the way it works. With it also being infinite, the realms of possibility and chance are too enormous to comprehend which is also why I stand by my statement.
And yes I agree, enjoy the ride!
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Abuse]
#14096713 - 03/10/11 08:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think I trust it--but I'm not really sure if this trust is an authentic trust, or an artificial one created in my mind to reduce anxiety in the face of an unknown.
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i trust that in a couple hours, this mcdonalds i had for breeakfast is going to curse me with the Mcshits.
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AsAboveSoBelow said: I dont know why people worry about death so much.. it's either gonna be a void of nothingness(so why worry at all, you wont know about it. though I highly doubt this theory.. seems way too simplistic given the psychedelic experience, the near-death experience, and the complexity of the universe) or something else. 'whatever else' is probably a lot better than our situation here on earth
Now granted i'd be singing a different tune if somebody told me i'd die tomorrow... but in the meanwhile im not gonna worry about it. Like, at all. there's no point
Probably because that 'whatever else' is equally conceivable as something much worse than our current situation. We really have no idea what it will be.
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I don't trust anything more powerful than me.
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Remember that story about the Chinese wanting to restrict reincarnation? 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2194682.ece
I mean, they seem pretty damn sure of themselves when it comes to this reincarnation thing. I don't know about you but the I trust the buddhas who have been studying this stuff for such a long period of time. And some reincarnation anecdotes you read about are pretty
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Those same Buddhas talk about the various levels of hell below us [there is a crushing hell, burning hell, cutting hell..], not to mention the realm of pretas [starving ghosts], which are the counterbalance to the various heavenly realms above.
Tibetan Buddhist cosmology:

The bottom slice of the circle is hell, the bottom left is the realm of pretas. Even the top right slice, a part of the heavenly realm, is full of demigods burning with jealously towards the gods on the top--constantly waging war and losing. My point? If you do trust the words of such Buddhas, than be afraid of where you end up after death, unless you have achieved knowledge of buddha-mind.
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Asante]
#14096804 - 03/10/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't expect anything of it. When it comes to tripping I don't expect the experience to hold great significant nor do I think there is no possible relevance to it either.
As far as trusting the universe physically (rather than mentally) I do trust it completely. I trust that it will do whatever it damn well pleases regardless of how it effects me.
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shivas.wisdom said: Those same Buddhas talk about the various levels of hell below us [there is a crushing hell, burning hell, cutting hell..], not to mention the realm of pretas [starving ghosts], which are the counterbalance to the various heavenly realms above.
Tibetan Buddhist cosmology:

The bottom slice of the circle is hell, the bottom left is the realm of pretas. Even the top right slice, a part of the heavenly realm, is full of demigods burning with jealously towards the gods on the top--constantly waging war and losing. My point? If you do trust the words of such Buddhas, than be afraid of where you end up after death, unless you have achieved knowledge of buddha-mind.
well, now that u put it that way.. I am highly skeptical about a physical plane of hell that you just automatically end up in if you're bad in life. seems like a great system of control..
are they talking about literal planes of hell/heaven?
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Well, whether they are literal places or merely realms of the psyche, I can't say. Neither heaven or hell are places you stay for eternity [like the Christian heaven/hell] though, eventually your good or bad karma runs out and you are reborn elsewhere.
It still stands to say, that if you can imagine whatever comes after death as being better than life now, you can also imagine it as being worse, or being exactly the same. Uncertainty.. the unknown.. death.. she is a scary thing.
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I trust it, in a passive way. I don't make a point to rely on the universe to make something happen, but its existence supersedes everything including life, which gives it some qualities to be trustworthy about.
Not trusting the universe would be futile, the reality of our situation is that we're here on this terrestrial body drifting through emptiness at the mercy of the universe. It's worked out pretty well for the last few billion years following the same patterns of rotation, speed, distance, relative to the sun and other objects in the local solar system. Consistency such as that contributes to my amount of trust. There's no end to that in sight in during our lifetimes, at least in my opinion.
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You build your own hell according to the karma you carry with you.
If you accept that this is an illusion, that we can return to the unformed no-mind, there will be nothing to fear.
Till the realms of cyclic existence are emptied!
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Abuse]
#14098185 - 03/10/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Abuse said:
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Azure Essence said:
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Abuse said: I think it'd be very naiive to place ones entire trust into something so vast and complex as the nature of the universe.
I cant possibly understand why it would be naive. Put trust into the very thing you are a product of, and without which you wouldnt exist? You realize having trust for or against anything is just bound by all laws and concepts of the universe anyways, so putting trust into it or not you are forever a mercy of the system.
I'm mean sure you can fight and say fuck it and argue, but why? Enjoy the ride man. Nothing Naive about it. As if anything in the universe could even possibly happen unless it were meant to...
How can you be so sure of something you know little about? I believe the universe is random and holds no order (thus opposing the idea of a deity) and so cannot completely trust the way it works. With it also being infinite, the realms of possibility and chance are too enormous to comprehend which is also why I stand by my statement.
And yes I agree, enjoy the ride!
I'm only sure of it by virtue of what can exist. You're like a computer programming code who thinks he isnt bound by the system, but you're just full of it because once the computer turns off, you're gone too. Whether you are or arent sure of the universe, or whether you know or dont knoy anything about it, you're always and forever bound by the limits and laws of it. You're really not looking at this in the cosmic sense I'm trying to portray. You're acting like a human could know above and beyond the confines of the universe. Even if you dont put trust into it.... you're putting trust into the notion that that is how you are operating at this space-time junction.
Dont bother responding, this was more a rant for myself because we're seemingly not on the same page about this.
EDIT: Honestly this is kind of an interpretation of my DMT trip, so there's no use convincing anyone else of anything about it.
Edited by Azure Essence (03/10/11 02:21 PM)
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Asante]
#14098212 - 03/10/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I trust it completely, though I know there is nothing to trust but a transparent layer of illusion and magic.
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i've still got my suspicions that everything is just one big
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Salomon]
#14098232 - 03/10/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I trust, man, i trust.
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: Salomon]
#14098402 - 03/10/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Salomon said: i've still got my suspicions that everything is just one big 
It quite obviously is.
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Whose the creepy dude with the clown faces in his hair??
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Wouldn't know.
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Re: Do you trust it? [Re: twighead]
#14098915 - 03/10/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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twighead said: Whose the creepy dude with the clown faces in his hair??
That creepy dude would be Yama, lord of death. He represents the impermanence of all existence, and his abode would be in naraka [hell realm].
But the Buddha chilling on the cloud in the top right corner represents liberation from the cycle of existence.
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