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What Species are These...?
    #14094285 - 03/09/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Found these little mushrooms in the soil of a potted oleander.  The soil was very sandy.  I'm wondering what species we have here?

In the pics you can see a touch of blueing on the stem fibrils, but otherwise the stem doesn't seem to blue a lot when damaged, nor the cap.

Unfortunately there were no mature ones for ID purposes, only these immature ones...



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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14094337 - 03/09/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like an active Psilocybe species. Where did the plant come from?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14094375 - 03/09/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

More than likely it came from Southern Cal, not totally sure.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14094433 - 03/09/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

those are totally cubes
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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: mylfgur]
    #14094608 - 03/09/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm, substrate seems off to be cubes, not much of a veil either.  I'm thinking a wood-lover.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14094642 - 03/09/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

franciscans?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14094736 - 03/09/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:eek:you lucky S.O.B.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: dynomite]
    #14094785 - 03/09/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:headbanger: super fucking cool man:cool: Now thats a NICE houseplant!!!
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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: sporeRider]
    #14094856 - 03/09/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cool, I would bet they are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Thinker]
    #14095022 - 03/09/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Very cool find!

I don't know what they are though.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Chaos_ultt]
    #14095846 - 03/09/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The bluing around the veil seems to be a giveaway. :thumbup:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14096118 - 03/10/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Thinker]
    #14096308 - 03/10/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Cool, I would bet they are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata




I'd have to agree with this assessment. I also might ponder the thought that they may not get fully mature in the given habitat. Are these still alive?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Oreganic]
    #14096332 - 03/10/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What sort of soil/substrate were these found in?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: avidpicker]
    #14096389 - 03/10/11 04:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psilocybe species :thumbup:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14096392 - 03/10/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd suggest trying to get them as close to maturity as possible to further help in species determination.. Perhaps even microscopic analysis of spores if possible.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: eris]
    #14096506 - 03/10/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The substrate is in the picture.  It's basically sandy potting soil with a fair amount of very fine wood chips.  They are alive and I'll see if I can get them closer to maturity.  It doesn't seem like they would grow after being dug up, but we'll see.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Thinker]
    #14096550 - 03/10/11 07:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Cool, I would bet they are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata




being almost spring i would say this is a good guess.:thumbup:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14096577 - 03/10/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not to add confusion, but couldn't they possibly be P. caerulipes?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14096630 - 03/10/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Way out of season, and distribution it would seem.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14096802 - 03/10/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hell yeah boy, grab a litle myc or some stem butts and uh.... keep the tradition going... Heh, ya know what I mean? :oogieboogie:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14096805 - 03/10/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Coolest houseplant mushrooms evar!


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14097205 - 03/10/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wish I could get lucky like this.  Unknown active Psilocybe in a potted plant, some people have all the fun :mad:

Really though I bet they are ovoids as well.  Do you dig them out of the plant?  If so, are they still growing?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: amilibertine]
    #14097504 - 03/10/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have them in some soil to see if I can get them to maturity for further identification.  I'll get some pics up if it works out.  I had them refrigerated and the stems showed quite a bit of blueing today.  They definitely seem to be an active.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14097591 - 03/10/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Clone and/or print them. :thumbup:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14097626 - 03/10/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I did take protective measures in case it's something different that needs further research.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14103599 - 03/11/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm a little suprised.  The specimens are recovering from the replant in soil and continuing to mature.  I'll get some photos once they make it a little further.  Keep your fingers crossed.  I'm really curious what the final ID will be...


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14104587 - 03/11/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If they are active that must be a once in a life time find! Has anyone ever heard of this?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14104829 - 03/11/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm a little suprised.  The specimens are recovering from the replant in soil and continuing to mature.  I'll get some photos once they make it a little further.  Keep your fingers crossed.  I'm really curious what the final ID will be...




:goodluck: man ! Can't wait for some mature pics:cheers::greenthumb:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: sporeRider]
    #14106054 - 03/11/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Likely to be P. ovoideocystidiata.

Looks like a lot of the other collections from the west coast with the wavy gills.

It is rare to see these turn up in house plants.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14106637 - 03/11/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Howdy Alan, let me clarify.  These were found in an oleander pot which is outdoor.  The oleanders were just your typical outdoor nursery grown plants.  With the good progress I'm having, I should be able to get some spores for analysis.  They are being quite the troopers after being torn from their little pot...we shall see.  Apparently there is enough of the hyphal mat left for them to draw from to keep growing.  I'm sure spore production is most important to them after the insult.  The microscope awaits. :eek:

Thanks for jumping in on this Alan.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14106768 - 03/11/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Also save the dried cap so we can get pics of the pleurocystidia and cheilocystidia.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14107197 - 03/12/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

look like Psilocybe species


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: humawebdesign]
    #14108649 - 03/12/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No problem, I'll preserve them.  I took some macro pictures of the gills and cap that may be helpful.  Here's a picture also of the noticeable growth.  The foil is for some spore collection if they make it that far.  One of the gill pictures also shows some dark speckles, could be the beginning of spore production...?  You'll need to view the image full size to see it.



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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14108731 - 03/12/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm. they look like they might die soon!  Still beautiful.. cant believe they havent developed spores yet.  Sterile maybe?


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14108843 - 03/12/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I could be wrong, but they sure looks sterile to me.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Chaos_ultt]
    #14109377 - 03/12/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If these do turn out to be ovoideocystidiata i wouldn't necessarily say they are sterile just yet.Ive noticed that alot of older mature specimens still have the cream colored gills and will not drop spores for at least 24 hours after picking,but thats just my experience.Awesome find for sure and the sub sounds perfect for em .

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I ended up getting prints from all these mushrooms,but not until at least 30 hours after picking.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: avidpicker]
    #14109728 - 03/12/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If these do turn out to be ovoideocystidiata i wouldn't necessarily say they are sterile just yet.Ive noticed that alot of older mature specimens still have the cream colored gills and will not drop spores for at least 24 hours after picking,but thats just my experience.Awesome find for sure and the sub sounds perfect for em .

Example,



I ended up getting prints from all these mushrooms,but not until at least 30 hours after picking.





Thanks for the info man.. didnt know that, and after looking at your pics of ovoids i'd say it's a good bet that's what he has.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14131119 - 03/16/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the pics avidpicker...that's helpful for sure.  These do look like ovoids to me.  It looks like at least one will make it to maturity and sporulate...pretty cool.  The gills have darkened slightly.

Here's some more pics of the progress. 



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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14131319 - 03/16/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

could just be shadowing, it looks like it's already dropping spores near the apex...

pretty awesome in any case! :smile:

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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14131869 - 03/16/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, for sure.  I think it's dropping too.  If you look at the last pics I posted, there are two pins in the background.  One of them has totally shot up, and could go allll the way.  Its pin partner is stalled and probably being sacrificed for energy to help the shooter.

Whatever species it is, it's a tenacious survivor.  While I got some of the mycelial mat, I'm sure it was only a small portion of that originally supplying the nutrients to these fruits.  I think the underground mycelium is relentlessly growing in the soil after the fact to make sure at least some of the fruits mature.  A lot of mushroom species would likely have just aborted by now...me thinks.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Big Oyster]
    #14132067 - 03/16/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:congrats: FUcking AWESOME:awesomenod:
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    #14134097 - 03/16/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Great pics and updates, it is really good to see that they transplanted so well.

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:snoop:  :albundy:  :goodnews:


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Doc_T is a NOOOOOB noob nooby noob nooby noob noob.


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Doc_T is a NOOOOOB noob nooby noob nooby noob noob.




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    #14163369 - 03/22/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14163407 - 03/22/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Very slick Big O. Congrats.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14164902 - 03/22/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so awesome! :trippinballs:

I love seeing a microscopy knowing people are willing to give up their fruits and mail them, across the world if need be, to contribute to our various professional mycologists' work.

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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14164933 - 03/22/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thats awesome. Ovoids at home depot.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: vjp]
    #14165105 - 03/22/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Thats awesome. Ovoids at home depot.




One of the most awesome things I've heard... SO cool. Amazing find Big O., and again, great work Alan... :headbanger:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14165380 - 03/22/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Alan makes us all look like n0obs!  good job man.:smile:


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14165817 - 03/22/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

God damn Alan! Those look awesome as hell!


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: psychedelicSLUG]
    #14166306 - 03/22/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I saw SOMEONE put this find on mushroomobserver and even listed the Home Depot it was from, lol.

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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14166776 - 03/22/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, I saw SOMEONE put this find on mushroomobserver and even listed the Home Depot it was from, lol.

BUY ALL POTTED PLANTS lol




haha no kidding eh!!


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14172643 - 03/23/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it does look like ovoids in the first photo - bifurcated gills

they can be both a fall fruiter and spring fruiter, unlike cyans, but they are still rare, so it's hard to say what they prefer, or maybe they're just trying to adapt here

the conical type seems to like Spring better, while the wavy type likes Fall, or that's what I've seen


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14174947 - 03/24/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I love seeing a microscopy knowing people are willing to give up their fruits and mail them, across the world if need be, to contribute to our various professional mycologists' work.





He was close so he drove them over and we scoped them together.


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Re: What Species are These...? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14177494 - 03/24/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nice finds man!  :snoop: i was looking foward to find some ovoids this season


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