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Offlinewickedgert
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what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars?
    #14094135 - 03/09/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

my jars are about a month old and almost fully colonized but they have slowed a good deal and there is what looks like a very small amount of caramelized sugar in the bottom..........full pint jars not half.can anyone give me some advice please?


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: wickedgert]
    #14094146 - 03/09/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like bacteria from anaerobic conditions in the bottom of the jar.  You were supposed to use 1/2 pint jars if using brown rice flour.
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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: wickedgert]
    #14094161 - 03/09/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14100039 - 03/10/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so should i flip?


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: wickedgert]
    #14100346 - 03/10/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you should start over if they infected with bacteria. Chuck those ones and start anew.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: wickedgert]
    #14100412 - 03/10/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pint jars are fine, just follow the sterilization and incubation procedures closer next time. But yeh- time to toss 'em.

Was there any stage that you think you may have skipped or didn't do as well as you could. Knowing where to start next time is half the battle.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: wickedgert]
    #14100416 - 03/10/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you can use pint jars but you have to increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to ensure the mycelium is able to engulf the substrate before anything else does.  that is why most people use half-pint jars.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: maynardsdick]
    #14100439 - 03/10/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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you can use pint jars but you have to increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to ensure the mycelium is able to engulf the substrate before anything else does.  that is why most people use half-pint jars.




they use half pints because the tall pint jars are known to stall, its too much substrate and packs down, making it hard for the mycelium to colonize it..and they stall out


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: biologys]
    #14100503 - 03/10/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Never had a problem with pints. I actually use 1/2's, full pints, and anything in between. Using 4 inoculation holes and more solution does the trick.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: biologys]
    #14100738 - 03/10/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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you can use pint jars but you have to increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to ensure the mycelium is able to engulf the substrate before anything else does.  that is why most people use half-pint jars.




they use half pints because the tall pint jars are known to stall, its too much substrate and packs down, making it hard for the mycelium to colonize it..and they stall out



tall pints are known to stall because they don't increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to compensate for the increase in volume.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: maynardsdick]
    #14100767 - 03/10/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it has nothing to do with increasing the amount of spores

i use 1cc in my grain quart jars i guess that means they are subject to contams since i use the same amount as a 1/2 pint jar is called for?

nope thats not how it works.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: maynardsdick]
    #14100795 - 03/10/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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maynardsdick said:
you can use pint jars but you have to increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to ensure the mycelium is able to engulf the substrate before anything else does.  that is why most people use half-pint jars.




they use half pints because the tall pint jars are known to stall, its too much substrate and packs down, making it hard for the mycelium to colonize it..and they stall out



tall pints are known to stall because they don't increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to compensate for the increase in volume.




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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: biologys]
    #14100834 - 03/10/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

one cc in a grain jar is serviceable, but i like to add more to increase the colonization process.  likewise with the pf tek when using pint rather than 1/2 pint jars.  if the pf tek asks for 1cc for every injection port on 1/2 pint jars, you should double it for pint jars.  not absolutely necessary, but it certainly helps with colonization times.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: wickedgert]
    #14101595 - 03/10/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

plenty of spore solution......pc may have been a little dry tho.i think its actually myc piss.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: wickedgert]
    #14101628 - 03/10/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you use well made lids with Tyvek and high temp. silicone, you can very safely use less than 1cc of good mycelium culture when inoculating quart jars, with only one inoculation port. I always thought multiple inoculations in one jar was silly, especially if you just want faster colonization. If you have 4 inoculation ports in one jar, your risk of contamination is quadrupled. But mostly it's a waste of time and effort, because one gets the job done just as well. If you want "faster" colonization times, you should just inoculate a few jars a week, or every few days. Plan ahead, so you always have spawn that is ready to use.


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: Itheus]
    #14101700 - 03/10/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, it doesn't get the job done "just as well with one". It is, in fact, faster to use more sites and more solution to inoculate. In my opinion and experience, having more holes and more solution counteracts the increased risk of contamination. If you are good on sterilization, the faster colonization rate will help outrace contams.

Just my 2 cents, but I've only once ever had a problem with contams pre-birthing(which is a crazy statistic if I do say so myself).


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: maynardsdick]
    #14102190 - 03/11/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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you can use pint jars but you have to increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to ensure the mycelium is able to engulf the substrate before anything else does.  that is why most people use half-pint jars.




they use half pints because the tall pint jars are known to stall, its too much substrate and packs down, making it hard for the mycelium to colonize it..and they stall out



tall pints are known to stall because they don't increase the amount of spore solution/liquid culture to compensate for the increase in volume.




by this logic you have to use a whole syringe of spores for a bag of rye. lol


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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14102194 - 03/11/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i think its actually myc piss.



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Sounds like bacteria from anaerobic conditions in the bottom of the jar.  You were supposed to use 1/2 pint jars if using brown rice flour.
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Re: what is the golden muck in the bottom of the jars? [Re: k00laid]
    #14102291 - 03/11/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks guys i think ill just wait and see what happens.


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