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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
#14053435 - 03/02/11 09:12 AM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
#14053443 - 03/02/11 09:13 AM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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Diploid said: I am simply questioning your motives.
teknix,
His motives, his mother's honor, and the color of his tie have NOTHING to do with the validity of his argument. You've been here long enough to know this.
Debate the topic and leave the people you're debating with out of the discussion. They are COMPLETELY irrelevant.
Consider this your warning.
Read the rest of the rules here before you post again:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
This is the Philosophy forum rules?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
#14053455 - 03/02/11 09:16 AM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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Diploid said: I am simply questioning your motives.
teknix,
His motives, his mother's honor, and the color of his tie have NOTHING to do with the validity of his argument. You've been here long enough to know this.
Debate the topic and leave the people you're debating with out of the discussion. They are COMPLETELY irrelevant.
Consider this your warning.
Read the rest of the rules here before you post again:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
Please point out where I have defied any rules?
If I did, I appologize.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14053488 - 03/02/11 09:24 AM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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Copy/Paste the wrong link. I fixed it.
1) No Flaming. No Trolling. Flaming or spiritual bashing is not tolerated in this section. Do not provoke others with incendiary or condescending remarks.
Questioning someone's motivations is trolling. It has nothing to do with the discussion and it borders on disrespect.
And while posting irrelevancies is not expressly against the rules, it's off topic.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
#14053507 - 03/02/11 09:27 AM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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I still fail too see how questioning ones motives apply's to any of those?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14053524 - 03/02/11 09:30 AM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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Let's just all stick to the topic unless the topic is your fellow poster, OK?
The topic here is "We are angry with our leaders", not "Icelander's Motivations".
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14053614 - 03/02/11 09:49 AM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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Well I've been doing a little research here and there seems to be some case for humans being more violent in the past. However there are mixed conclusions as to why this might be so. What makes the most sense to me is that we are less violent not because we are getting less emotionally violent but basically we have less need to be violent. In much of the world basic food and shelter needs are met. In parts of the world where this is a problem you can expect there to be more violence. Same emotional landscape but different actions based on need. In a scenario where overpopulation and scarcity of resources becomes a survival issue we can expect violence to increase. So far we have been able to keep starvation localized to small areas of the world but the future may be iffy. Also much violence is imo sublimated. In business they use terms such as "dog eat dog or I'm going to make a killing" etc. and the same scenario is acted out but not with actual physical violence and death a direct result.
IMO the likely hood of violence being dramatically lessened in our emotional landscape would be an evolutionary process taking unknown thousands of years. Evolution is a very slow process.
So my personal conclusion is that we have less violence because we are in a safe place materially. If that changes all bets will be off. The bottom line will be survival and violence and division will increase.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14053988 - 03/02/11 11:08 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Icelander said: So my personal conclusion is that we have less violence because we are in a safe place materially. If that changes all bets will be off. The bottom line will be survival and violence and division will increase.
I see exactly that happening now. Almost all of these current unrest's around the world are result of people starvation and very very low life standards. As food prices increase, it could only produce results we see around.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: ivander]
#14054024 - 03/02/11 11:15 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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It's a constant power struggle that I see everywhere on so many levels. IF it benefits the individual they will cooperate to some degree. If basic resources ever truly become scarce then I don't want to be around for it. However this is mirrored everywhere in nature and is perfectly natural.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14054110 - 03/02/11 11:33 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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They are not truly scarce yet.. but with food price increase, and with price increase of many other stuff, many people just are not capable and willing to close their eyes, cuz shit is now in their backyard... and it all happened in 'all of a sudden'. Its not a power struggle, its struggle for life these days... maybe its not so visible now, but if this trend continue... well see fire all around, possibly in few years time, or sooner or later.. although I hope not.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: ivander]
#14054158 - 03/02/11 11:42 AM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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Well the end times have been predicted in each generation so it's impossible to tell what the future will bring. I'm moving into the end phase of my life so I'm not very invested in how it all plays out. I'm just going to watch the show like I am now.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14054272 - 03/02/11 12:09 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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I think that the end signifies a new beginning
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14054279 - 03/02/11 12:10 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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End of times is really undefined and unreasonable idea. And there is no way, that planet will just explode. More likely that current social and political system will change... for better or worse. Either way enjoy the ride. I know I do.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14090459 - 03/09/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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and yet it moves said:
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Icelander said: The corrupt teachers union. You have no idea.
are you aNGRY at a teacher for giving you a grade? how dare they judge you!
Nice try. Well not really very good. Maybe a D+
D+?!?!?!
Well thank you
Hey you know what they say, D's earn degrees
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
#14092938 - 03/09/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Copy/Paste the wrong link. I fixed it.
1) No Flaming. No Trolling. Flaming or spiritual bashing is not tolerated in this section. Do not provoke others with incendiary or condescending remarks.
Questioning someone's motivations is trolling. It has nothing to do with the discussion and it borders on disrespect.
And while posting irrelevancies is not expressly against the rules, it's off topic.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Dagon]
#14093024 - 03/09/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why are you thumbing down Diploid's post?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14093339 - 03/09/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It means that I disagree.
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Diploid said: I am simply questioning your motives.
teknix,
His motives, his mother's honor, and the color of his tie have NOTHING to do with the validity of his argument. You've been here long enough to know this.
Debate the topic and leave the people you're debating with out of the discussion. They are COMPLETELY irrelevant.
Consider this your warning.
Read the rest of the rules here before you post again:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
This is a discussion, not a debate.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Dagon]
#14093367 - 03/09/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dagon said: It means that I disagree.
Yeah, no shit? 
I was asking why you disagree.
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Diploid said: Debate the topic and leave the people you're debating with out of the discussion. They are COMPLETELY irrelevant.
This is a discussion, not a debate.
Well he never said it wasn't a discussion; do you think that, just because this is not a debate, the rules don't apply? 
Who said that this isn't a debate, anyways? I've seen a lot of debate in this thread, much of it coming from OP.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Poid]
#14093383 - 03/09/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am not here to argue with you, have a good day.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Dagon]
#14093394 - 03/09/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm not arguing, I'm genuinely interested in why you disagree with Diploid's post.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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