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[WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle
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Dimitri "Mobengo" Mugianis, Ibogaine-Therapy Provider, Arrested in Seattle by DEA March 9, 2011 - seattleweekly.com
DEA agents arrested Dimitri "Mobengo" Mugianis, a New York-based ibogaine-therapy provider, and two others yesterday in Seattle, Seattle Weekly has learned. Mugianis was recently the subject of a critically acclaimed documentary I'm Dangerous With Love, that details his work in the underground world of ibogaine, a potent--and illegal--hallucinogenic substance that is used to help drug users overcome their addictions.
Details about why, where, and when exactly Mugianis was detained are still unavailable. However, a DEA spokeswoman confirms that Mugianis and two other people were, in fact, arrested sometime yesterday in Seattle and released early this afternoon.
Emily Langlie, a spokeswoman for the Western Washington U.S. Attorney's office, says Mugianis and his two associates do not currently face charges, but "the matter is under review to determine whether an administrative or criminal resolution is most appropriate."
Mugianis is a prominent figure in the ibogaine subculture. Ibogaine--the subject of a recent Village Voice Media feature story--has been used for decades by a handful of underground lay therapists as a means of treating drug addiction. Proponents of the illicit therapy say it eliminates opiate withdrawals and cravings almost overnight, and jolts patients into changing their harmful behavior.
The substance is derived from the roots of an African shrub called Tabernathe iboga. Here's how it was described in our feature last November:
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Taken in sufficient quantity, the substance triggers a psychedelic experience that users say is more intense than LSD or psilocybin mushrooms. Practitioners of the Bwiti religion in the West African nation of Gabon use iboga root bark as a sacrament to induce visions in tribal ceremonies, similar to the way natives of South and Central America use ayahuasca and peyote ...
... Ibogaine and iboga root bark are illegal in the United States but unregulated in many countries, including Canada and Mexico. [Clare] Wilkins, though, is hardly alone in her belief that iboga-based substances can be used as a legitimate treatment for drug addiction. Researchers at respected institutions have conducted experiments and ended up with hard evidence that the compound works--as long as you don't mind the mindfuck.
"All drugs have side effects, but ibogaine is unique for the severity of its side effects," says Dorit Ron, a neurology professor at the University of California-San Francisco. "I think ibogaine is a nasty drug. But if you can disassociate the side effects from the good effects, there is a mechanism of action in ibogaine that reduces relapse in humans."
I interviewed Mugianis over the phone several times for the story, and he explained that he used ibogaine to overcome a heroin addiction. He was so taken by the experience that he eventually traveled to Gabon, where he was initiated into the Bwiti religion by shamans. Since then, Mugianis told me, he had performed more than 400 ritualistic ibogaine ceremonies on addicts, mostly in hotel rooms around New York City.
Mugianis' transformation from junkie to shaman to underground drug therapist was chronicled by filmmaker Michel Negroponte in his documentary I'm Dangerous With Love. Here's a trailer for the film and an interview that Mugianis gave Seattle Weekly about his role in the project.
Reached by phone earlier this afternoon, Negroponte said he'd gotten wind of Mugianis' arrest, but was unsure of what exactly happened and why. He believes Mugianis was working with another ibogaine-therapy provider based in Seattle and possibly performing ibogaine treatment at a hotel somewhere in the city.
"The information I've gotten so far has been a little fractured," Negroponte said. "But I believe there is a woman [in Seattle] she's also a therapist, she was planning to get involved with Dimitri and others and open a clinic in Costa Rica. This was all in the works the last several months. I believe [DEA] went in and took her her files and her stuff and arrested her yesterday."
We've got a call out to Mugianis, and will have more details on this story when they become available.
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: veggie]
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It's people like him who are saving the world. Fuck Obama, Fuck Dr Drew, This guy and the wonderful Shroomerites who spread the joy of psychedelics are the real heros
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: veggie]
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Taken in sufficient quantity, the substance triggers a psychedelic experience that users say is more intense than LSD or psilocybin mushrooms. Practitioners of the Bwiti religion in the West African nation of Gabon use iboga root bark as a sacrament to induce visions in tribal ceremonies, similar to the way natives of South and Central America use ayahuasca and peyote ...
... Ibogaine and iboga root bark are illegal in the United States but unregulated in many countries, including Canada and Mexico. [Clare] Wilkins, though, is hardly alone in her belief that iboga-based substances can be used as a legitimate treatment for drug addiction. Researchers at respected institutions have conducted experiments and ended up with hard evidence that the compound works--as long as you don't mind the mindfuck.
"All drugs have side effects, but ibogaine is unique for the severity of its side effects," says Dorit Ron, a neurology professor at the University of California-San Francisco. "I think ibogaine is a nasty drug. But if you can disassociate the side effects from the good effects, there is a mechanism of action in ibogaine that reduces relapse in humans."
I suppose he prefers the side-effect profile of maintenance therapy with methadone?
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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And he's completely wrong. The side effect is the opoid bullshit, not the trip. Anything from TV to breaking a leg can have an effect on your habits, that's not that fucking cool. The cool part is where you eat a plant and your entire concepts of identity, self, the universs, consciousness, and reality itself are turned on it's head.
Dumbass just thinks you 'get fucked up bro, lols'
EDIT: OK, dont take that to mean the addiction aspect isnt fucking amazing, because it is, it was just the example I used to differentiate side and main effects
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: Azure Essence]
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AFAIK the psychedelic vision-quest aspect of ibogaine is central to its interruption of the addiction cycle.
I mean, how do you expect a medicine to cause an addict to stop wanting heroin without some kind of psychoactive effect?
This guy doesn't want people cured though, he wants people to spend their entire lives in slave-like dependency.
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Yeah I was going to say that. inevitable in the future when they make some nasty pharmie pill that doesnt make you trip but blocks your receptors, it's not going to work at all.
And of course if there were no addicts that would put a lot of very powerful people out of jobs so ofcourse they dont want you to get better. Why do you think in AA they insist you will always be an addict and this is your identity and you will never get better?
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They already have pills that block the effects of opiates. They don't stop you from wanting opiates though, and there's nothing to stop you from just not taking the opiate-blocking pills.
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I know they do I was just saying theres going to be some iboga derived pill that still wont work
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It's shit like this that makes me wonder if the endless convergence of TFP(Totally Fucked Practices) in this country are just the culmination of SMFA (small minded fucking assholes) attacking everything they don't understand, or the result of an evil handful of people who know their shit and can manipulate the masses. I keep leaning towards the latter. Psychedelics have done nothing but heal me, and I truly believe there are many, MANY more who would benefit from their use.
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: veggie]
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so fucked. dimitri, as well as i and another shroomery member; is featured in the project in my sig. i am planning the NYC premiere of the film and was looking forward to meeting him there. i guess we'll see what happens.
sigh.
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"bona fide religious ceremony."
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: veggie]
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Stupididy at it's highest, DEA keep getting your paychecks, supporting your family, and feeling your doing good in the world. Educate, I'm not going to pay a grand to order Ibogaine online or 3 to 5 to go to a clinic. But busting this guy on the same level of drug scheduled as crack is complete and utter bullshit.
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: timelapses]
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timelapses said: Stupididy at it's highest, DEA keep getting your paychecks, supporting your family, and feeling your doing good in the world. Educate, I'm not going to pay a grand to order Ibogaine online or 3 to 5 to go to a clinic. But busting this guy on the same level of drug scheduled as crack is complete and utter bullshit. 
drug treatment programs that hardly ever work cost 10x that.
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: yogabunny]
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timelapses said: Stupididy at it's highest, DEA keep getting your paychecks, supporting your family, and feeling your doing good in the world. Educate, I'm not going to pay a grand to order Ibogaine online or 3 to 5 to go to a clinic. But busting this guy on the same level of drug scheduled as crack is complete and utter bullshit. 
drug treatment programs that hardly ever work cost 10x that.
Yes, but to my knowledge some of that can be covered by insurance and none of the Ibogaine treatment is legal in the states.
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and ibgaine is a plant. We should all just have it in our backyards.
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Azure Essence said: and ibgaine is a plant. We should all just have it in our backyards.
What about coca leaves? Should we just grow them in all in our backyards as well? I'd chew on one, does that make me less to you. Are you saying everything should be regulated? What about poppies? Should everyone grow them in there backyard? Mushrooms? Because you can get a pot card in your state and smoke week legally? What is your point exactly?
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: timelapses]
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Hey man, it's not my fucking business what people put in their yards or not. Or ingest for that matter.
and I have to admit I dont really know what the fuck you're talking about or your stance on that post..... I'm all for altering consciousness, dont get me wrong.
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: Azure Essence]
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Sorry, misunderstood your post after my rant and rereading it. You seem Ok. Have a lot of anger built up about these matters.
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#14096058 - 03/10/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha it's all good, I flip out on people here all the time. It's a hoot
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I don't find humor in it. Just a emotional quick response.
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: timelapses]
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timelapses said: Stupididy at it's highest, DEA keep getting your paychecks, supporting your family, and feeling your doing good in the world. Educate, I'm not going to pay a grand to order Ibogaine online or 3 to 5 to go to a clinic. But busting this guy on the same level of drug scheduled as crack is complete and utter bullshit. 
Ibogaine is a lot cheaper than a grand online. Pasted below is a listing from one website that I found. I have a friend who I am hoping will one day make the decision to get off of heroin. He told me that the last time he got clean was when he was locked up and he was sick for over a month. There are documented cases where ibogaine stoped withdrawl sickness over night. That stuff is a miracle plant!
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: Azure Essence]
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It's things like this that harden my position towards my government. My tolerance grows less and less and this shit doesn't help. When is enough enough? Once TPTB come knocking down YOUR door and crucifying your ass in front of the masses to set an example? Bastards. Thank you for your post though overstand. Reading that last bit gave me the brilliant idea of growing my own little ibogaine plant HE SHALL BE NAMED NATHAN
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Azure Essence said: and ibgaine is a plant. We should all just have it in our backyards.
What about coca leaves? Should we just grow them in all in our backyards as well? I'd chew on one, does that make me less to you. Are you saying everything should be regulated? What about poppies? Should everyone grow them in there backyard? Mushrooms? Because you can get a pot card in your state and smoke week legally? What is your point exactly?
MY point is that all drugs should be decriminalized. No one should be in jail or on probation or being investigated by the motherfucking DEA for non-violent drug crimes. A big reason why I wish drugs to be decriminalized is so that scientific studies may be resumed. Clearly MANY of these plants have healing and medicinal potential that is being repressed. Why?
New prescription drugs with potentially harmful side effects are introduced by big pharma and approved by the FDA every single day. We as a society gobble those up like they are goddamned skittles. Why?
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Re: [WA] New York based ibogaine-therapy provider arrested in Seattle [Re: yogabunny]
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Because it's legal. Pharm lobbyists, ads on every newscasts, but I still enjoy mixing klonopin with alcohol. But I DEFINITELY agree on your point that no one should have to go through the legal system for non-violent drug offences.
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Recent experiences with Charlie Sheen have proven to me that the drug war is nothing but an easy excuse to put black and poor people in prison.
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That's precisely what it is.
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It's just so easy, when you've been raised with such ideas from birth, to take all the bullshit about public welfare seriously.
It's a really powerful viral paradigm, the idea that there actually is some interest in public welfare inherent to the drug war.
I should know better, but it turns out quite often that I don't.
Cynicism takes time and effort to develop.
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if this guy was arrested and sent to court over this matter all he would really need is all the people he treated to testify that he saved their lives (or at least the ones that the treatment worked on... are there any stats on what percentage of ibogaine ceremonies cure addiction?)
if that still didn't work then I guess we're all fucked
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