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OfflineSpore_2_Umbrellas
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Which 'Lime' should choose between:
    #14091761 - 03/09/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Lime, Agricultural, 20kg

Lime, prilled granular, 20lbs

Lime, hydrated 6kg

Lime, pellitized, 15kg

I don't care about the price, all I want is slighty higher than 7 pH to keep the damm trich away.

Help me choose

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14091894 - 03/09/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Lime is only useful if you want to apply a casing layer.
You dont need a casing layer for cub's.
Trich comes if your myc is weak or if there is not enough FAE.

Edited by Luger0815 (03/09/11 11:08 AM)

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Luger0815]
    #14091914 - 03/09/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Agreed w/^^^. Trich comes from poor practice, not from the wrong pH.


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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Doc_T]
    #14091931 - 03/09/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Agreed w/^^^. Trich comes from poor practice, not from the wrong pH.




In this case, should I increase FAE over humidity?

I can increase the exchange no problem, its just I'm gonna lose lots of humidity.

Would a casing layer hurt? Even if its cubes? Cause if a casing can help, I got no problem making one.

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092006 - 03/09/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

More FAE more misting.
Just mist some more to keep the moisture in the sub.
If you do it like this you get more "evaporation"!
Evap. is the pinning trigger No.1.
This sub will pinn like crazy if you provide more FAE and misting.

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Luger0815]
    #14092042 - 03/09/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Luger0815 said:
More FAE more misting.
Just mist some more to keep the moisture in the sub.
If you do it like this you get more "evaporation"!
Evap. is the pinning trigger No.1.
This sub will pinn like crazy if you provide more FAE and misting.




Great. You seem like a decent grower around here. Ive seen a few of your posts.

What is the technique you use?

This is my 4th tub I had no problems with the first 2. But now, trich gotta hold of me. (I should toss it, but im like halfway through a flush... I'll just bleach the crap out of the working area later.

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092072 - 03/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This is my 4th tub I had no problems with the first 2. But now, trich gotta hold of me. (I should toss it, but im like halfway through a flush... I'll just bleach the crap out of the working area later.




That's an excellent way to ensure you never succeed again.  If you see one spot of green, it should be removed from your growing area within 2 seconds.  Bleach doesn't kill mold.  Bleach will only kill bacteria.  If you have green mold spores puking all over your grow area, good luck unless you find a new hobby.
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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092073 - 03/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No please do your self a favor and toss trich contams on sight.
And im not a decent grower, im a noob.
Even if someone knew it all by the theory, he has to do a lot of exercise to get the practice.
I get some good results but nothing compared to pinnhead or facy etc......

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092112 - 03/09/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you guys have a problem simply answering someones origional question or what? yea fae is your friend against the molds, if plan on casing, and involving peat moss "hydrated" lime is what you want..hi yeild brand is the most chemically sound also... consider crushed oyster shell too for its calcium and texture props lime and oystershell together achive long and short term calcium deposits for your grow, your mushie will pic easier and you sub surface should remain better intact with these implications.


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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14092118 - 03/09/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hehe nice offense Grungeman...., Lime, Agricultural, 20kg is what you should use.

Edited by Luger0815 (03/09/11 11:48 AM)

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14092141 - 03/09/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This is my 4th tub I had no problems with the first 2. But now, trich gotta hold of me. (I should toss it, but im like halfway through a flush... I'll just bleach the crap out of the working area later.




That's an excellent way to ensure you never succeed again.  If you see one spot of green, it should be removed from your growing area within 2 seconds.  Bleach doesn't kill mold.  Bleach will only kill bacteria.  If you have green mold spores puking all over your grow area, good luck unless you find a new hobby.
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God dammit. lol Fine.... Ill toss it.... Sucks though.

what the hell, mold is invincible or what?

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092167 - 03/09/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

its microscopic and fucks your day up nuff said


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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092170 - 03/09/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Mold is everywhere like microbiotics on your skin.
If your immune system is weak they can get "rampant" and you will get skin fungus.
The myc has it's own immune system if it is healthy.
Also it is a known fact that Trich wont grow/germinate in well aerated areas.
Correct me if im wrong.

Edited by Luger0815 (03/09/11 11:57 AM)

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092197 - 03/09/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Adding a buffer like Calcium Carbonate, or Lime, or another base is to support mushroom growth while inhibiting the growth of microbes that do not like a basic environment. With that said, you need to know exactly what you are experiencing, and probably just adding lime won't solve your woes.

You may want to review your sterile technique, as you may be getting your contamination at an early stage in the growing cycle which may not even be affected by adding lime to your casing.

As RR said, ditch the mean green before it gets everywhere..

Prevention is way less work than cleanup.

"Bleach will kill many organisms immediately, but for full sterilization it should be allowed to react for 20 minutes. Bleach will kill many, but not all spores."

I doubt you want to put bleach on everything for 20 minutes and still have some spores left out.


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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Luger0815]
    #14092211 - 03/09/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

mold and myc like the same shit there different forms of one and other... and they're competitors, green man always wins at the end until you send him to mother nature to burn in her obliss white man if provided the right shoes "conditions" gets a head start against green man and drops his babys to unsure future compitition because white man knows he eventually gets eaten by green man.


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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Grungeman17]
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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Luger0815]
    #14092235 - 03/09/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thats where i would inoculate everything... open air... im tellin ya.


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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14092262 - 03/09/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Jesus christ, I never though that simple spores are so tough!

Bleach won't kill it unless applied for a rediculous amount of time...

Something must kill these spore... without having to burn the house down..

What about UV light exposure?

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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092289 - 03/09/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the fact is you can kill them but not all, and mature mold "green" is a relentless offenser to the airborn space and surfaces it domains. once its there consider any nutritional source its footholded already eaten, digested, and shit out.


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Re: Which 'Lime' should choose between: [Re: Spore_2_Umbrellas]
    #14092293 - 03/09/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The point is, you have to get your sub clean as long as the myc needs to colonize it.
If it is fully colonized, the immune system of the myc (it's very tough) will control/handle the contams until it is getting weak, old or just sic.

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