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mushrooms turning white on top *pics*
#14092173 - 03/09/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so i had what looked like was going to be a nice flush, then yesterday i went to fan and mist the tub and noticed some of my most promising fruits are turning white on top, like a mold or something and halting their growth. any ideas why this may be happening?
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14092184 - 03/09/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Too much humidity/insufficient FAE.
Edited by Luger0815 (03/09/11 12:01 PM)
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: Luger0815]
#14092237 - 03/09/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i did notice this happening after i put the tub in a closet from being out in the open in a room.
so should i hold back on the misting a bit and up the fae?
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14092269 - 03/09/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes it would help. Pinheads turn dark if the humidity is too high. At least they will abort if you cant manage them to get more dry. It is a balancing act, every time until you get your Tub tuned well.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: Luger0815]
#14092347 - 03/09/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Luger0815 said: Yes it would help. Pinheads turn dark if the humidity is too high. At least they will abort if you cant manage them to get more dry. It is a balancing act, every time until you get your Tub tuned well.
The humidity can never be too high....Stale air is the problem or misting to the point where it takes forever to dry...More FAE is the answer...
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Edited by i GrOw StUFF (03/09/11 12:42 PM)
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14092458 - 03/09/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Although i know very little, it looks good to me The white on the caps is just mycelium and its always been a good sign through my eyes. Typically lack of fae is shown with thin stems and small caps but it doesnt look like that at all in your tub.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: deadmandave]
#14093331 - 03/09/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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those dont look too good to me. it looks like the start of a bacterial rot. too much humidity and not enough fae like what was mentioned above.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#14093362 - 03/09/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't understand why people still come up with this "too much humidity" stuff
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14093456 - 03/09/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Me either i GrOw StUFF. I'm not sure how there could be "too much humidity" as cubensis thrive in 100% humidity. Possibly what you're lacking is FAE.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7752769
This thread should back me up and will hopefully clear some of the confusion up.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14093641 - 03/09/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i GrOw StUFF said: I don't understand why people still come up with this "too much humidity" stuff 
look up bacterial blotch.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#14093669 - 03/09/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i've had caps that look like that. I'd give it some time to see if they clear up considering they are only on a few of them.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: blood4blood]
#14095379 - 03/09/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i GrOw StUFF said: I don't understand why people still come up with this "too much humidity" stuff 
look up bacterial blotch.
"Yellow to brown lesions form on mushrooms. Typically, spotting occurs at or near the edge of mushroom caps. Blotch occurs when mushrooms remain wet for a period of 4 to 6 hours or longer after water has been applied. The bacterium is spread in air-borne soil particles."
Also I've heard high temps can cause bacteria blotch. Lowering the humidity is a "treatment" for blotch, NOT a cause.....
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14095726 - 03/09/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont see any bacterial infection here.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14095745 - 03/09/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In an sgfc you want to have 95% humidity all the time. In a mono tub you want to have 95% RH until pinning and 80% RH in the growing period. It is possible to have "too high RH" in a monotub. I have to go to work but later i will search the tread.
Correct me if im wrong but this is what is in my mind.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: Luger0815]
#14095802 - 03/09/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Luger0815 said: In an sgfc you want to have 95% humidity all the time. In a mono tub you want to have 95% RH until pinning and 80% RH in the growing period. It is possible to have "too high RH" in a monotub. I have to go to work but later i will search the tread.
Correct me if im wrong but this is what is in my mind.
I don't think so....Some people just stuff the holes with too much polyfil to the point where it lacks FAE.....Along with misting too much can also cause the rot with pins/mushrooms.....It's the good old balancing act...high humidity has nothing to do with CAUSING any problems.....
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14095822 - 03/09/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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and I'm not saying that there is blotch in this picture.....just replying to the "too much humidity" responses....
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14096159 - 03/10/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i GrOw StUFF said:
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Luger0815 said: Yes it would help. Pinheads turn dark if the humidity is too high. At least they will abort if you cant manage them to get more dry. It is a balancing act, every time until you get your Tub tuned well.
The humidity can never be too high....Stale air is the problem or misting to the point where it takes forever to dry...More FAE is the answer...
Stage IV: Pinhead Development After the pinheads have grown to pea size (3-5 mm.), their further development is primarily dependent on air temperature and relative humidity. To insure that they mature into healthy mushrooms, the
1. Air temperature is held constant within the fruiting range. 2. Relative humidity is lowered to 85-92%.< 3. A constant fresh air supply with CO2 below 2000 ppm 4. A 12 hour on/off light cycle
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: Luger0815]
#14096767 - 03/10/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so what's the general consensus here? should i not mist anymore and just fan 3-5 times per day? i dont have a hygrometer, wish i did.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14096785 - 03/10/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just fan some more.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: Luger0815]
#14096803 - 03/10/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mist a little less than u were n fan 2x as much...
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: Luger0815]
#14096806 - 03/10/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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my aborts do that after theyve been there for awile. But not my pins like yours although it did happen to one pin once but it went away as the pin grew. Ive been misting and faning more and ive been getting more healthy pins.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14150335 - 03/19/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so these really haven't done much in the past 10 days since i first posted. i am still getting white on my caps and have pretty much quite misting and i have a fan running in the room to circulate air and i still fan manually 2-3 times per day.
anybody have any idea what is going on with these? usually when i start to get pins it's only a matter of a few days, week at the most before full maturity.
it is a bit chilly in the room (62-66) how big of factor do you think that is playing in slowing their growth?
thanks for the input guys!
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14150614 - 03/19/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Low temps will cause them to grow slower than usual. Turn the fan off it won't won't do any good.....Have the veils broke on any mushrooms?
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14151948 - 03/20/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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more air for bigger stems.
your caps look fine xDDD
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: k00laid]
#14151975 - 03/20/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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higher humidity combined with low FAE will cause this, as well. It wont hurt anything, but you can never have too much FAE, as long as you can maintain the RH in the FC..
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14160846 - 03/21/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so i got the temp up to around 68 steady now. I keep the fan blowing in the room all day and still manually fan 2-3 times a day. i have a dial hygrometer in the monotub and it reads 100% still.
i still have a bunch of white on the caps and none of them are opening.
what are your suggestions guys? ant TC's have an idea?
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14162328 - 03/21/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are the veils breaking at all, even just partially? The last picture you posted looked like some of them were almost at full maturity. They look funny but i dont know why. Have you calibrated your hygrometer recently? Maybe they are not getting enough light.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: deadmandave]
#14163186 - 03/22/11 05:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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no, the veils are not breaking at all. i took out the poly in one of the holes last night and now the hygrometer says 95%
the hygrometer is good with calibration, i calibrated it with the wet towel method last week and they get 12 hours of light.
i am not sure what is going on with them
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14166534 - 03/22/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nobody has anymore help with this?
they are basically rotting before me eyes. i am not sure what else to do.
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Re: mushrooms turning white on top *pics* [Re: passenger]
#14168455 - 03/23/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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take out some more of your polyfill and try and drop the rh to around 90%
pick all those rotten ones.
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