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rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality
    #14092048 - 03/09/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I heard the other day that most animals don't really recognize rhythm (I'm pretty sure some birds are the only ones they've found that do, but don't quote me on that). It got me thinking about early human artifacts and the importance of rituals and chanting and that whole sort of thing. It seems likely to me that rhythm has a key role in our evolution, the repetitiveness working concepts deep into our subconscious (as in cognitive behavioral therapy) taking complicated information and actions, repeating over and over until our brain recognizes the pattern and "saves" it in one subconscious sort of sequencing command (which is not my opinion thats just what I've learned in some classes).

so wouldn't that mean that chanting and music, as well as oral traditions and rituals have this rhythm and repetitiveness that is necessary for learning and making it possible for us to learn more in a life time than without any of it? I mean there is a lot of discussion on how they allow us to pass on information, but what about just learning and reinforcing it in a short amount of time?


It seems like I have heard some stuff about this in studies of chanting, but I just thought it really sounds like the sort of thing shroomerites would be knowledgeable on, so any good links related to it or just any thoughts?


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14092354 - 03/09/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From my understanding the point of rhythmic chanting and mantra is to essentially drowned out and overpower normal thought patterns.


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14092418 - 03/09/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's easier to remember lyrics to a song than a regular prose paragraph... melody and rhythm can certainly help memory acquisition and retainment.  :shrug:


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: deCypher]
    #14092596 - 03/09/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this is such a cool subject to talk about but i can't seem to find much to say
rhythm seems to completely silence my mind when i try to look at what it is


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #14092704 - 03/09/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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deCypher said:
It's easier to remember lyrics to a song than a regular prose paragraph... melody and rhythm can certainly help memory acquisition and retainment.  :shrug:




Yea, that's definitely one competent of it. I remember learning in HS psychology class that they made phone numbers 7 numbers because the human brain can easily remember that pattern length.


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: Chronic7]
    #14092709 - 03/09/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting! Now I really wonder about animals' perception of rhythm. What about cetaceans?


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: Chronic7]
    #14092759 - 03/09/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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this is such a cool subject to talk about but i can't seem to find much to say
rhythm seems to completely silence my mind when i try to look at what it is




it is SUCH a cool subject

i think it's such an amazing phenomenon of nature that moving our bodies in tune to rhythm can drastically change our state of consciousness and really take us higher.

WHY?

doesn't make any sense from the current view of the world we have


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: NastyDHL]
    #14092806 - 03/09/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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NastyDHL said:
i think it's such an amazing phenomenon of nature that moving our bodies in tune to rhythm can drastically change our state of consciousness and really take us higher.

WHY?





to me that signifies that we love to lose the feeling of control over life


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: Chronic7]
    #14092832 - 03/09/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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to me that signifies that we love to lose the feeling of control over life



Awesome! It's like whenever you "get into" any activity, you don't feel in control, you're too busy feeling other things.
I'm picking up some good vibrations!


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: R2-D2]
    #14092985 - 03/09/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

YES! This is a great topic. One interesting thing ive noticed ALOT,
is if I start drumming on things and creating rhythem in an environment (be it a classroom, bus, wherever) people around me start to respond to the rhythm. Most of the time it appears unconscious. To me theres alot of implications with this.


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: weshroom]
    #14093432 - 03/09/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In a sense, EVERYTHING is rhythm if you believe the latest physics theories: superstring theory says that the smallest building-block of everything from matter to forces is what's called a string; an incredibly small, intensely vibrating, essentially one-dimensional loop whose frequency of vibration (rhythm) determines what particle or component of force it manifests as.  Quantum mechanics and contemporary physics is trippy stuff indeed, telling us our music is accompanied not only by the music of the celestial spheres but by the music of the strings of the very fabric that makes up the world we live in.  :rocket::psychsplit:


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #14093477 - 03/09/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14093991 - 03/09/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's interesting that animals are said to have no sense of rhythm, but yet their very survival depends on understanding the year long song that includes the 4 seasons.  There are so many migratory animals, and they all have tapped into the 4/4 time signature of our earth.  I think animals may even have a better grasp on natural, earthbound rhythms than we do.  My dog gets scared shitless 10-15 minutes before I'm even aware that a storm is coming, and it's because he hears the song change, he feels the pressure drop and he knows what's coming.

Rhythm is quite amazing, especially when you examine more complex rhythms than typically found in the west.  Tool, Meshuggah, and others have been playing around with polyrhythms in their music, and it's cool to hear it in Indian and African music.  They have figured out how to layer different lengthed patterns over one another and count them all separately, but as a whole piece.  Then you look our world on the whole-we have 1 count, the earth's rotation, that we measure in years.  The moon interacts with us on a count of its own on a 28 day cycle.  Our polar wobble is a very very long count of something like 26000 years.  All these things are playing in harmony, together, to the same metronome, to create one big ass song that we're all a part of.  This is what the Mayan calender documents; the largest rhythm we've been able to put into language.

Now look small, very small.  Our atoms, as it turns out, are not solid, but instead have a nucleus surrounded by even smaller particles.  But the particles don't orbit, they instead seem to pop in and out of existence, and do so often enough in the right place that it creates an atom that acts as a solid thing.  This is the song of the atom.  It is a drummer, hitting all the toms and cymbals at the right time to establish the kit's place in space.

Cool shit indeed.  In the thread about us being angry with our leaders, Icelander has taken the historically verified position that this new uprising of oppressed peoples is an old song, and we've all heard how it ends.  He has argued that we've seen this pattern often enough that we should know better than to think anything will change.  But then there's all the people talking about evolution of consciousness, the very thing Icelander says we would need to not repeat these patterns.  So ultimately one has to wonder a)what is it that "causes" these patterns in human behavior and in physical behavior in general, and b)if there is some greater cause, does it to follow a rhythm, and is it too about to change?

hmmmmmmm


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: Boozerguyzer]
    #14100243 - 03/10/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

JH= John Hartford


JH: But time is the one thing, even the solid stuff [touching the desk] depends on. You can’t take time away from that. OK. So how do we measure time so we can cope with it?
By rhythm. Either in rhythm that you hear, or rhythm that you see, like the repetition of all these threads in this lampshade [runs his fingers down it]. Rhythm is the way you cope with time. The best way to express rhythm is music.



JH: Well, what’s the most important organ in the body?

J: The eyes.

JH: The eyes? Well, you could be blind, and get along with them.

J: True. I guess I was assuming the existence of the brain behind them

JH: Well, it’s either the brain or the heart. Can you have brain life and heart death, heart life and brain death.

J: I see what you mean. There can be brain death, but heart life continues.

JH: That’s right. And the heart is primarily a rhythm instrument.

J: You’re right, this whole thing is based on the existence of, the perception of rhythm!

JH: Right. Actually, it makes sense that the whole universe is based on rhythms. Everything happens in circles, in spirals. You know what, I bet you that’s why everything is bilateral. You know, two eyes, two ears, split down the middle? Everything repeats itself and back – and maybe that’s because the lowest common denominator is two.

J: Yeah, but that also comes back to the one, ultimately.

JH: Even waltz time comes back to one, ultimately.





On a side note i find every time i do mushrooms i do everything with rhythm even my breathing is rhythmic:psychsplit:


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Re: rhythm and subconsciousness, evolution, and spirituality [Re: Parkseerf]
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Mi' spliff and Guiness as usual
Highgrade we puffin as usual
Fight down the system as usual
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